Originally posted by JKwervo
That just shows that the money they profit in, will go back to investments, not the game itself. At least, not like it was initially supposed to.

They told you this?

Originally posted by JKwervo
That just shows that the money they profit in, will go back to investments, not the game itself. At least, not like it was initially supposed to.

Of course, EA is done with pouring money into SWTOR, its in same place as WHO as far as they are concerned. They even brought same people to be in charge of it.

Originally posted by Camaro68

Originally posted by ObiClownobi

Originally posted by Camaro68

Originally posted by ObiClownobi

Originally posted by Myria

Originally posted by mikahr

None will get reinvested, they have huuuuuuuuuge debt to service and interests arent going down.

Truly, we are fortunate to be graced by so many with insider knowledge of EA's financials and business plans.

Care to share some specifics, please -- say the size of this 'huuuuuuuuuge debt' and to whom it's owed? You know, the kind of information that's meaningful, verifiable, something beyond the vague claims mindless forum trolls routinely pull out of their arse?

http://ycharts.com/companies/EA/debt_equity_ratio

 

http://ycharts.com/companies/EA/long_term_debt

Well that proves everything.  I'm sure a company that generates revenue in the billions has you on speed dial for financial advice.

Touchy little fellow aren't you, I just provided the figures on EA debt levels as issued BY ea to the markets. If you want more context their debt is 500m, their income is 4b which generated a profit of 78m in 2011/12 which was an improvement on their 10/11 loss of 270m.

i will leave it a financial expert like yourself to provide us with your informed commentary on them.

What's your point?  Seriously just move on. 

And your point is? Someone asked for the specific figures, I provided them, you jumped in with a snarky comment about me and then tell me I should be moving on, why did you comment in the first place.

Originally posted by Rocketeer

2500 people is not a small sample group. Medical tests on life and death medicamentation(like cancer) is done on far smaller sample sizes.

Obviously fansites are mostly visited by people already dedicated to the game. That being said, yes they are making silly amounts of money with the cartel market. All F2P games with a sizeable population do. Its like putting a one armed bandit into a corner of your restaurant, your not selling less food, but you will make extra money with it.

Reason being that many people have no problem a sub, thats fine. However there is a subgroup in those subbers, that don't have any problem spending 10x a subs value on a ingame store if it happens to carry something they like. I spent like 50$ myself, getting field respecs and the like for all my chars, its quite handy and i don't mind the money.

The actual sample size does not matter, as long as its less than 10% of the total population for what ever you are testing, and in this case its the game. Now I'm not sure of how many people play this game, but i'm pretty sure this is within the guidelines of testing samples out. 

oh well there goes my hope for a good star wars MMO, e.g. swg2

guess swtor won't be shut down if it still makes some cash

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Originally posted by FromHell
oh well there goes my hope for a good star wars MMO, e.g. swg2

 

guess swtor won't be shut down if it still makes some cash

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I came back as a subscriber, with hopes that the game was improved enough after a year. I was somewhat pleased to the point within 2 weeks until The bugs got me in a class story "The Mandolorain Killer BH class line. CS I found out they are still out to lunch. Response times are just pathetic. It wasnt till I recieved a survey that I got some attention. When  you write a bad survey they seem to respond somewhat more quickly. But far from the quality of service you would hope for.

After reading this blog http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20130102 I have come to another decission that the game isnt going to go nowhere as far as content.Aftre all the suggestion players trying to help out did they listen? Again I came back with hopes of improvements have I seen or experience some yes but the game is still laggy in alot of areas CS still needs improvements for after a year they would learn a lesson on CS and they haven't Bug bugs and no mentioning of fixing them Everyday I have been back I checked out some the bugs that were in when I first started and they r still there. After applying for a replacement for some stuff that was buggy in the begining I still havent recieved a proper reply or replacement.

I was hoping for some announcements on Flying Machines or some rework of space combat or some guild improvements real improvements that really pertain to content but als I do not!

Originally posted by ObiClownobi

http://ycharts.com/companies/EA/debt_equity_ratio

 http://ycharts.com/companies/EA/long_term_debt

Touchy little fellow aren't you, I just provided the figures on EA debt levels as issued BY ea to the markets. If you want more context their debt is 500m, their income is 4b which generated a profit of 78m in 2011/12 which was an improvement on their 10/11 loss of 270m.

i will leave it a financial expert like yourself to provide us with your informed commentary on them.

This  is interesting so SWTOR is making money I know the cash shop is quite successful based on the  brisk Galactic Trade Market and people yelling their wares in fleet. People love spending to look good including my husband who bought some outfits. I hope the game goes on doing well because I want people to play with.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by FromHell
oh well there goes my hope for a good star wars MMO, e.g. swg2

 

 

guess swtor won't be shut down if it still makes some cash

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Why would they throw yet more money at a Star Wars MMO when they tried twice and got mediocre results at best? Three times if you count NGE as a separate attempt.

If SWToR makes money, good for them. If it folds, sucks for them but that's not going to lead to another game.

 

A lot SWG fans can't accept that 1. There game was shut down and 2. It isn't going to be remade any time soon.  

The real problem is that Star Wars means different things to different people.  Until a company makes a game that successfully covers all those ideas, any Star Wars game will be a failure.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by FromHell
oh well there goes my hope for a good star wars MMO, e.g. swg

guess swtor won't be shut down if it still makes some cash

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Why would they throw yet more money at a Star Wars MMO when they tried twice and got mediocre results at best? Three times if you count NGE as a separate attempt.

If SWToR makes money, good for them. If it folds, sucks for them but that's not going to lead to another game.
 

The orginal SWG was doing well and Clone Wars Adventures is doing well. SWTOR would actually be the exception, not the rule.

Originally posted by Latronus

 

A lot SWG fans can't accept that 1. There game was shut down and 2. It isn't going to be remade any time soon.  

The real problem is that Star Wars means different things to different people.  Until a company makes a game that successfully covers all those ideas, any Star Wars game will be a failure.

SWTOR isn't a lot of things (like sandbox) but one thing it does get it right is the story of Star Wars.

If you liked the movies, you'll like the plot of SWTOR.

I'm subbed to this game but I haven't spent additional $$$ at the CS yet.

Not sure why people are 'up in arms' about this though, if someone has to think twice before spending money on a video game, that someone has larger issues to worry about.

Originally posted by Chieftan

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/29/swtor-fan-site-posts-cartel-market-poll-results/#comments

 

So....if one person spends $100 in the Cartel Market that's the equivalent of 6 people subbing for one month.

And because I was reminded here SO MANY times that even a small sample is an accurate indicator of what the playerbase as a whole is doing, that must mean EA's making money hand over fist right now.

The really sad thing is that EA will deem this a big success and we will never see the end of nickle and diming in sub games. 

1st of all massively has the lowest followers from all MMO fan sites, so dont give much attention

2nd all p2p use the CC and then sell the items in the GTN while all the boosts and unlocks goes to f2p customers, while p2p buyers buy speeders, pets, outifts and unlock the high priced ship GTN and that boot boosters

3rd so far none item is p2w with CC

Just my opinion but I believe that the "apparent" success of this move by EA/Bioware will lead to more and more moves to F2P and cash shop approach.

So far I'm all in favour of it. Subscriptions will die eventually.

Originally posted by FromHell

oh well there goes my hope for swg2

As if that was ever a possibility to begin with. 

guess swtor won't be shut down if it still makes some cash

Nope. This one's sticking around for awhile. 

Originally posted by BigAndShiny

 

 

 

Let me let you in on a secret.  WoW only has 160 developers.  Yes, that's less than Guild Wars 2, less than Aion in Korea, and probably around the same as SWTOR has left now that ey've cut their team down from 400 after the layoffs. 

 

A game that could easily support a thousand devs without eating too much into activision's profit has only 160.  

160 real devs is quite a huge team if you ask, especially if they have plenty of experience.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by FromHell

oh well there goes my hope for swg2

As if that was ever a possibility to begin with. 

guess swtor won't be shut down if it still makes some cash

Nope. This one's sticking around for awhile. 

 

A bit positve there about its longevity. With the way things go lately, you can never be sure of anything. It will probably last as long as the licence runs for, and you better hope they bought a longer one than 2 years.

It also depends on how much they are still getting from the cash shop, as EA themselves said they still need $7.5 million per month to break even. Under normal circumstances even $4 million a month would be raking it in, but SWTOR needs way more than that to survive, and that is straight from the horses (EAs) mouths.

But if it is true, then there goes my hopes for a decent SWTOR as outlined by Bioware, more lifeless / useless gaymeplay (not an insult it is actually happening /sigh), and loads more nickle and diming.