Originally posted by evemaster00
Defiance, new mmo, is about to launch simeltaneously on PC, PS3 and Xbox, By Trion Worlds. Sony and microsoft are backing it. This stuff ain't going away any time soon.

About to launch?  I hadn't heard it was that soon.  Any sort of timeframe on when?

You're not alone. I don't always want to be in front of my monitor when playing games. I actually prefer the bigger screen while I'm on the couch. AT first I tried using wireless keyboard and mouse, but it's still not enough. I wanted a gamepad.

DCUO has native gamepad support, thankfully. I enjoyed it for a brief time and found playing MMO very possible, with the only limitation being difficult to chat with. Thankfully I have my wireless keyboard.

Using XPadder, you can map your keyboard towards your gamepad. As long as it makes sense in the design of a game, it will work wonders. I already have Mass Effect and Guild Wars 2 on this setup. Together with Steam's Big Picture mode I don't feel the need to buy a console anymore. That is until "The Last of Us" and "Beyond: Two Souls" come out. :P

In itself there is no reason for a mmorpg to not be "console friendly", if the player wants to loose the ability to talk without special chatting appliances (menus leading you to say, "hi","hello","g-day" to choose from), or just with a mic.

Where it kinda gets problematic is the perception of the industry, as was already mentioned, that a console game has to be short and simple.

Moreover you will encounter very much negativity from the crowd that holds the belief that "complexity" and "depth" can only be created by having many hotkey bars with special skills that you have to execute in a special order and at a special time just to kill a lv1 rat.

Flame on!

:)

Originally posted by XAPGames

Originally posted by evemaster00
Defiance, new mmo, is about to launch simeltaneously on PC, PS3 and Xbox, By Trion Worlds. Sony and microsoft are backing it. This stuff ain't going away any time soon.

 

About to launch?  I hadn't heard it was that soon.  Any sort of timeframe on when?

 

Early April. It's pretty much certain at this point. 12 weeks to go. First beta event in 14 days. Goto http://vonbachindustries.com/en/

Originally posted by Banaghran

In itself there is no reason for a mmorpg to not be "console friendly", if the player wants to loose the ability to talk without special chatting appliances (menus leading you to say, "hi","hello","g-day" to choose from), or just with a mic.

Where it kinda gets problematic is the perception of the industry, as was already mentioned, that a console game has to be short and simple.

Moreover you will encounter very much negativity from the crowd that holds the belief that "complexity" and "depth" can only be created by having many hotkey bars with special skills that you have to execute in a special order and at a special time just to kill a lv1 rat.

Flame on!

:)

Haha. This forum needs an up vote.

Yup, Mr. Gordiflu is typical of the elitist PC gamer.  

Newsflash Gordie!  Not everyone is interested in spending hundreds, if not thousands of dollars every year to upgrade their PC just to play a freakin' game!! 

Combine that with all the compatability issues related to different hardware and then ask yourself what is really holding PC gaming back?

Why, people like you of course! Because you will upgrade your hardware for the next shiny new MMO that comes out and quickly drop the one you are playing now, because "the graphics suck"  Or you will complain that the game is filled with bugs, because of course it has to be, since it is state of the art and has to be compatible with multitudes of different hardware configurations.  And then you will complain that the pop is low, because hey, no one can run the game without a high end comp and you have just trashed it in the forums, saying that it is crap because of the bugs and the low pop.

That is what is holding PC gaming back!

What I would actually like to see is an MMO that could be played online with console and PC gamers.  Because really, a console is still a PC Mr. Gordiflu.  Bringing everyone together instead of splitting us apart makes more sense to me.

Originally posted by evemaster00

You want one? This april you've got one. Defiance, pixel perfect shooter MMO on PC, PS3 and Xbox.

Trion spent over 80 million dollars on it, which is a lot more than they spent on Rift, and considering Rift has had great success, things are looking up.

just w8 till pc players get their hands on aimbots and cheats, the console players cry will be heared milles away.

Originally posted by TsaboHavoc

Originally posted by evemaster00

You want one? This april you've got one. Defiance, pixel perfect shooter MMO on PC, PS3 and Xbox.

Trion spent over 80 million dollars on it, which is a lot more than they spent on Rift, and considering Rift has had great success, things are looking up.

just w8 till pc players get their hands on aimbots and cheats, the console players cry will be heared milles away.

Thats ok, I would never consider playing a PvP MMO shooter anyway.  A genre destined to die thanks to the reasons you just mentioned.

And by the way, why would PC players not be crying also???  Because they would all be using aimbots and cheats??

Originally posted by Boneserino

Originally posted by TsaboHavoc

Originally posted by evemaster00

You want one? This april you've got one. Defiance, pixel perfect shooter MMO on PC, PS3 and Xbox.

Trion spent over 80 million dollars on it, which is a lot more than they spent on Rift, and considering Rift has had great success, things are looking up.

just w8 till pc players get their hands on aimbots and cheats, the console players cry will be heared milles away.

Thats ok, I would never consider playing a PvP MMO shooter anyway.  A genre destined to die thanks to the reasons you just mentioned.

And by the way, why would PC players not be crying also???  Because they would all be using aimbots and cheats??

I plan to be a Master crafter with my ps3 controller! Can lay in bed drinking a latte with nice comfy pillows next to my wfe! Let the shooting be for more uhh active,heartened players :-D While watching old Walking Dead episodes with the other flatscreen!! PC desktops/laptops are just ohh sooo out of mainstream.. Hopefully one of these mmorpgs makes it to my Android! :-D

Originally posted by Gishgeron

PC gaming is just a headache. You need to invest over grand every 5 years to stay ahead of the curve and ensure you can play every available game.  Then you need to learn plenty of tech stuff to keep it running optimally over that time.  Or you can buy a console for 350$ (1st gen, new release) and enjoy the same games for 5 years...

Fixed that for you.

Originally posted by evemaster00

Originally posted by XAPGames

Originally posted by evemaster00
Defiance, new mmo, is about to launch simeltaneously on PC, PS3 and Xbox, By Trion Worlds. Sony and microsoft are backing it. This stuff ain't going away any time soon.

About to launch?  I hadn't heard it was that soon.  Any sort of timeframe on when?

Early April. It's pretty much certain at this point. 12 weeks to go. First beta event in 14 days. Goto http://vonbachindustries.com/en/

Excellent.  Thanks!

Originally posted by gordiflu

Originally posted by itbewilly

DCUO is on PS3 also.

I think most people deny the potential in a Console MMO because they know if a company makes a decent attempt it could open a flood gate to other devs going that route. This whole idea that "console gaming is why pc games are easy now" is a joke. 

 

Easier and dumber. Specially dumber.

Name me one single console game with the depth and complexity of old PC games like VGA-Planets, Mechcommander or Civilization.

 

For depth in story: Killer 7. Depth in mechanics: Final Fantasy Tactics (Original for Playstation 1) and Street Fighter.

However, more depth doesn't automatically mean that the game is better. Just like with art forms, the experience in itself can just be very enjoyable and there have been a lot of titles throughout the years that have been enjoyable experiences: Metal Gear series, Final Fantasy series, Zelda series, Metroid series, Mario series, ICO, Shin Megami Tensei series, Chrono series, Ninja Gaiden series, Street Fighter series, Resident Evil series, Castlevania series, Megaman series, Dragon Quest series, Silent Hill series, Virtua Fighter series, Devil May Cry series, Okami, etc.

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Edit: if there is anything that annoys me, it is snobbism.

Originally posted by gordiflu

Consoles have been hindering and slowing down technology progress in computer games already for a few years. They are also partially responsible for many computer games getting dumber, easier and shorter. Specially shorter.

MMOs have also been getting dumber easier and shorter as an indirect result of this mindset change in gamers and developers. Console MMOs will only accelerate the process, with newer MMOs beeing limited by console's inferior hardware.

I actually wish all console gaming failed big time, so we could have superior PC games. Unfortunately I am aware this won't happen. Beta was superior to VHS. Minidisk was superior to CD. You get the idea, don't you.

 

As powerful as PCs are mmo developers don't ever use their max potential. Go figure and here you talk about how consoles hold back technology. Just saying... :)