Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by superniceguy

I thought this idea was scrapped?

This is a very bad move, and the fact this topic leads to discussions going south, speaks volumes as to why this is bad.

Seriosuly I was thinking I may have bought the expansion, but not if this goes in. If this was in a GTA game, or some adult based game, then that is fine, but this is Star Wars / Disney (kids stuff)- not appropriate.

How is it not appropriate? Are we now shielding our children from the horrors of gays/lesbians? Save the children! Save the children! 

Or were people just all straight a long time ago in a galaxy far away?

Where in Star Wars did this happen?

I am sure some players got together in SWG, but SOE never made the game have it

Right here, friend.

It also happened in other Star Wars games, which are indeed canon.

Originally posted by superniceguy

I have already seen posts from parents saying they will ban their kids from playing it when this goes through.

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

It's not even same sex really. If I'm playing a female character and I want to do the romance option.....I don't want to romance the guy toon. That to me would be weird....well weirder than romancing a character at all :P

Nothing non-pg even happens in the romance options but it does lead to other character quest lines. I didn't do any of those options on my 2 female characters because I didn't want to chat up the guy NPC.

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by Kaerigan

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by superniceguy

I thought this idea was scrapped?

This is a very bad move, and the fact this topic leads to discussions going south, speaks volumes as to why this is bad.

Seriosuly I was thinking I may have bought the expansion, but not if this goes in. If this was in a GTA game, or some adult based game, then that is fine, but this is Star Wars / Disney (kids stuff)- not appropriate.

there isnt a single reasonable argument that you can make why what is in is already appropriate but same sex wouldnt be.  None.  You could say all relationships are bad, but you just can not say one is bad and the other is not, it just doesnt make any rational sense.

 

Maybe he is limited by the RoC from expressing his ideas. You wouldn't be taking advantage of that would you?

If you need to break RoC to make your argument I'm not so sure you actually have a valid argument...

And why should his argument not matter? Maybe it matters to him but can't explain why. You know, some people have various opinions on the subject and for different reasons. I find it hypocritical to preach tolerance all day but never to those that don't share your views. Makes you pretty small, in my opinion.

It's an attitude like yours that has changed my mind from "I don't care" to "stfu snowflake". This topic has been all one-sided and a huge turn-off.

This is actually a major annoyance of mine. I really dislike anyone who tells me I need to be more accepting and tolerent, but insults and belittles people for believing in something different from them. Not aiming that at anyone, just speaking of people in general. You support gay marriage? cool. You don't support it? cool. I have my own opinion and I hate anyone that tries to force theirs on me or tells me that mine is "wrong".

here is what is getting to me. people are acting like this is some thing that must of taken alot of resources and time to add over putting in some new features.  all it is, is a few extra dialogue options that are added to some quest npcs. thats all this really is. do i think romance options are needed at all for either one, no as they are mostly useless(although the results of some in the have yielded some funny dialogues later on or in the case of tropper made for very difficult decision of who to save). now if they had gone through all the companions to do this, then yea i wouldnt be thrilled as that would take quite a bit of time. which is exactly why they said that wont be coming for some time.  so as a start there are a few extra dialogue options with some quest npcs on the new planet that if chosen will lead to a fade to black. im thinking that wasnt all that time comsuming and detracting from other features

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by Lydeck

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by superniceguy

I have already seen posts from parents saying they will ban their kids from playing it when this goes through.

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

I don't see why people can't understand that calling someone an intolerent bigot because they don't like something makes you an intolerent bigot because you are literally being intolerent of them. If someone is actively spreading hate, then more power to you, but if a regular person just says that they don't like gay marriage then that's their right and it doesn't make them wrong.

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by clun7
IMO it is a waste of time. They need more content, and I don't see how this adds more than a small amount if it. I'm not sure they have there priorities straight at all.

This is why the game didn't get any content and make any real progress:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=476215&page=364

If you want something added to SWTOR, you'll have to write to GLAAD.

Is this link a joke? The only thing I see is what appears to be an automated reply from their facebook page. Even the authenticity of that is questionable. So if I contact the NRA about helping my community stock up for the zombie apocolypse, and their reply is similar, then they are taking me seriously?

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Paradigm68

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by superniceguy

I thought this idea was scrapped?

This is a very bad move, and the fact this topic leads to discussions going south, speaks volumes as to why this is bad.

Seriosuly I was thinking I may have bought the expansion, but not if this goes in. If this was in a GTA game, or some adult based game, then that is fine, but this is Star Wars / Disney (kids stuff)- not appropriate.

How is it not appropriate? Are we now shielding our children from the horrors of gays/lesbians? Save the children! Save the children! 

Or were people just all straight a long time ago in a galaxy far away?

Where in Star Wars did this happen?

I am sure some players got together in SWG, but SOE never made the game have it

Really? Are you saying that nothing can be in the games that didn't explicitly happen in the official lore? That is a silly reason to be against it.

Does any disney stuff have this in any of them? I don't think so, and there is a reason why not

Disney is throwing me off here, as I'm trying to follow the conversation.

 

What does Disney have to do with the (original) Star Wars?  [Zero?]

Disney now own Star Wars, and they are a family entertainment franchise, the same as what Star Wars is meant to be.

If Star Wars or Disney has ever had this in, then I'll take back what I said.

 

Your argument is still silly. Disney also owns Marvel, and there are tons of gay super heroes. Just recently they celebrated the marriage of two men on the cover of a comic, actually. As for Star Wars being a family franchise, that's debateable. Star Wars is violent, features death, and in the recent movies even some pretty memorable dismemberment, not to mention the semi-final moments of Anakin. However, even if none of that were true, your 'family' argument would still be irrelevant; gay people have, want, and enoy families too, or did you assume they're all bumping and grinding at a club? Shopping, maybe? Finally, the game was never aimed at children, and while certain Star Wars franchises (i.e., the Legos/Clone series) were aimed at younger audiences, there were plenty of companion novels with more adult content not to mention the KOTOR games which dealt with things far above the heads of youth. In other words, not "family-friendly."

I could go on.

Edit - the above aside, I agree with what some others have said. This seems like oddball content to be working on when they have bigger fish to fry. 

Originally posted by ezpz77

I think it's great that famous, very public people come out and talk about their sexuality. It gives other, less fortunate members of the LGBT community pride and hope in being who they are. It's an important social issue and the more it gets talked about the better off we will be. 

Seems to be a good step in being accepted in who you are, is by accepting who they are? Some people can not accept the idea, believe it to be morally wrong or whatever. In fact adding a feature like this might actually be upsetting to people, while I doubt not having same gender stuff in a game would be upsetting at all. I mean if a game had only same gender I would not be offended or feel that someone is attacking my personality. While I could be offended if someone in a game add something that I would find morally wrong.

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by Kaerigan

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by superniceguy

I thought this idea was scrapped?

This is a very bad move, and the fact this topic leads to discussions going south, speaks volumes as to why this is bad.

Seriosuly I was thinking I may have bought the expansion, but not if this goes in. If this was in a GTA game, or some adult based game, then that is fine, but this is Star Wars / Disney (kids stuff)- not appropriate.

there isnt a single reasonable argument that you can make why what is in is already appropriate but same sex wouldnt be.  None.  You could say all relationships are bad, but you just can not say one is bad and the other is not, it just doesnt make any rational sense.

 

Maybe he is limited by the RoC from expressing his ideas. You wouldn't be taking advantage of that would you?

If you need to break RoC to make your argument I'm not so sure you actually have a valid argument...

And why should his argument not matter? Maybe it matters to him but can't explain why. You know, some people have various opinions on the subject and for different reasons. I find it hypocritical to preach tolerance all day but never to those that don't share your views. Makes you pretty small, in my opinion.

It's an attitude like yours that has changed my mind from "I don't care" to "stfu snowflake". This topic has been all one-sided and a huge turn-off.

I never said his argument doesn't matter. I said it's just probably not valid. As in an argument that makes no sense or is a logical fallacy or something.

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by Lydeck

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by superniceguy

I have already seen posts from parents saying they will ban their kids from playing it when this goes through.

 

And those people are sorry excuses for human beings, honestly. What happened to tolerance? It's optional content that Little Johnny doesn't have to play.

Futhermore I think it speaks volumes about a person that they'd let their kids play a game where you can torture people, but they're willing to ban the game only when they add optional content that Little Johnny won't access unless he specifically wants to. Those scary "gays", amirite?

Tolerance =/= Acceptance

Why can't you tolerate their choices? Why is tolerance always one-sided and always a particular side?

I think you just skipped over what I said when you say my "buzz word".

If someone was truly tolerant, then they wouldn't ban their child from a game because it has that in there. The key point here is that the game will NOT be pushing it down the player's throat, it'll be something they'll have to go out and get on their own.

If you can't see how it's intolerant to draw a line in the sand about something because it merely "exists", then I'm not sure what to tell you. Tolerance is disagreeing with it and simply avoiding it, whereas intollerance is trying to have it removed or not exist entirely.

Reminds me of back in the day when they started segregating schools, and all those parents wanting to rip Little Johnnie out of school because there'd be black kids there. I'm sure they were actually tolerant, but just not accepting, amirite?

I bought at release and cancelled 1 day later. I occasionally keep an eye out for possible improvements, since I can't return the software to Fry's, but more and more it seems like EA/Bio is putting a gun to my head and saying "Don't you DARE resub!"

I mean, can anyone think of a more completely useless feature to add to a game that already teters on the edge of suck?

As far as holding an opinion about something (even if it doesn't effect the person), that's all well and good. Its a right that should be protected.

The problem comes about when the person seeks to force his opinion on others.

Someone might say, but its the same thing when a person wants to make gay marrage legal or add same sex romance to a game.

It isn't and here is why. No one is trying to force the straight person into a gay marrage or romance.

The straight person IS forcing the gay person into not being able to marry or have a romance.

This is all sort of silly anyway. Most 'gay' romances in the game will be between a guy playing a female character and a female npc.