Originally posted by fiontar

Originally posted by Zoyita

When i was in a party full of people also buying stuff, they where buying mystic coins, lodestones and some other stuff, there was 3 more people doing business. I just hope that people didnt got scammed too.

I dont wish harm to people like bad people does. Good people wish bad things to stop happening and would try to do something about it and also excuse me but so you say smart people that will offer to sell you things knowing you dont have enough money to buy it with 20% tax plus more expensier, is win? so acting bad is good? This is not Dungeon Dungeon keeper, this is Guild Wars 2 and we should be feeling we are heroes to defeat the evil in game not wanting to be the Nightmare Court.

 

Also just for your information in the terms of service:

Source: http://us.ncsoft.com/en-gb/legal/user-agreements/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct.html

("NCSOFT") and ArenaNet, Inc. ("ArenaNet") have the sole right and final judgment of how to interpret and apply these rules and guidelines to any specific circumstance and situation, including proper punishment or exception.
While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

I live in USA, NY and robbery, scam and fraud is a crime.
You may not violate any local, state, national, or international laws or regulations.
Even if is a virtual/digital that was mine, my effort, my time and this game is really hard to gain currency if you are a honest player like me.

 

No matter what people say, scam is a crime, cheat is bad, to be a thief is a crime in USA In Europe and in China.

This is why the GM was completely wrong. It's clearly stated that you can not defraud another player and fraud is definitely what occured. Of course, that doesn't mean they have to help you recover your losses, but they definitely should have banned the offending player.

I don't really play the game any longer, so I don't really have a horse in this race, but part of the problem with this thread is that there is no evidence that the person wasn't punished they just couldn't force the player to give up the goods so to speak.  Corrective action is something to fix the situation to the satisfaction of the individual with the complaint, this is different than punative action which would be whatever action would take place as a punishment to the person doing the scamming.  While I tend to take from the response that they will do nothing whatsoever, that is a hunch, not a provable fact. So we have no factual knowledge of whether or not scamming is "allowed."

Are people really still arguing the point that the OP was in the wrong?

I'm sorry he was not the terms state that this should not happen and that the other player should be punished, now if he was indeed punished that would be something else, but "Such acts are matters over which we have no control of and cannot take corrective measures." would lead me to believe they just did nothing, they just steped aside allowed it and don't care, which was the OP's point I assume, which was true. You can bend the truth try to change the facts but ArenaNet did not keep their end of the terms.

I think the OP did get scammed and it was 60/40 guilt, he should have been more weary of people on the internet.

That does not change the fact that ArenaNet did allow scamming even though they said they did not.

Originally posted by Serenes

Are people really still arguing the point that the OP was in the wrong?

 

I'm sorry he was not the terms state that this should not happen and that the other player should be punished, now if he was indeed punished that would be something else, but "Such acts are matters over which we have no control of and cannot take corrective measures." would lead me to believe they just did nothing, they just steped aside allowed it and don't care, which was the OP's point I assume, which was true. You can bend the truth try to change the facts but ArenaNet did not keep their end of the terms.

 

I think the OP did get scammed and it was 60/40 guilt, he should have been more weary of people on the internet.

That does not change the fact that ArenaNet did allow scamming even though they said they did not.

A person shouldn't get flung from the vehicle in an accident, but if they decide to not wear their seatbelt and it happens, is it the car manufacturers fault?

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Serenes

Are people really still arguing the point that the OP was in the wrong?

 

I'm sorry he was not the terms state that this should not happen and that the other player should be punished, now if he was indeed punished that would be something else, but "Such acts are matters over which we have no control of and cannot take corrective measures." would lead me to believe they just did nothing, they just steped aside allowed it and don't care, which was the OP's point I assume, which was true. You can bend the truth try to change the facts but ArenaNet did not keep their end of the terms.

 

I think the OP did get scammed and it was 60/40 guilt, he should have been more weary of people on the internet.

That does not change the fact that ArenaNet did allow scamming even though they said they did not.

A person shouldn't get flung from the vehicle in an accident, but if they decide to not wear their seatbelt and it happens, is it the car manufacturers fault?

If they did not give me a seatbelt with the car, and wanted me to pay 15% more for it. Yes.

I also don't deny that the OP should have been more careful, but if Arenanet would have provided a basic feature this would not have happened, and it would never happen again. Unless someone was just a realllllly big idiot.

I also go back to the fact that ArenaNet says they do punish people for these activties but their GMs say something else I find this to be shady and bad business tactics, if you say you will do something do it...

Originally posted by Zoyita

Sad but true, as the title said. I trusted another player that where gonna sell me ectos for 50gold. 50 gold all i had, sent by mail gone forever. I had screenshots, all the conversation, everything.

Do not trust other people in this game, he had my trust and look what he did. This Arena.net reply.

Well it doesnt have a happy ending you guys will not believe the answer. I didnt even bother to say anything in the official forums because that would get me ban. Here is the answer: Scamming is Allowed on GW2

Hello Zoyita,

Thanks for contacting the Guild Wars Game Support Team.

We understand that some transactions take place in the game world often involve a certain element of trust. A player will need to place trust in another player to fulfill his or her end of an agreement. Occasionally a player will go back on an agreement or act in a less-than-honest manner. Such acts are matters over which we have no control of and cannot take corrective measures. If a player does not live up to his or her end of an agreement we are unable to force that player to do so.

If you have additional questions please let us know.

Regards,
GM Sparse
Guild Wars Support Team

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I played other games where scammers where punished, i guess not this one. I already have 30G back from the 50G i lost but is sad that someone can be a villain and GW2 wont make justice, just like in the real world where the bad guy win. This just gives me a feeling like ill be playing and feeling everyone is bad around me some kind of sensation i didnt had before, world is already cruel and corrupted why our games have to be to? if someone have the power not politic involved to solve, punish and teach a lesson to the bad guys.

they cant fix it up because they lack the skill to do so... That is what happen when you hire high school boys as GMs and not professionals...

note... there is no trade feature at all, they do allow scaming becasue they dont want people to use the mail as some sort of trading system...

Way to go, now we cant evade the TP tax... The only way is to farm your own stuff and end up with the 'Blade' vampire guy in jail... TP tax evasion lol!

I find it amusing that there is an in game report function that has "scamming" as one of the options.

Originally posted by AzurePrower

I find it amusing that there is an in game report function that has "scamming" as one of the options.

This is the best line in the whole thread, says all that needs to be said about ArenaNet.

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by AzurePrower

I find it amusing that there is an in game report function that has "scamming" as one of the options.

This is the best line in the whole thread, says all that needs to be said about ArenaNet.

That they actually might have taken punitive action against the person that was scamming without telling the victim? 

Originally posted by Zoyita

Sad but true, as the title said. I trusted another player that where gonna sell me ectos for 50gold. 50 gold all i had, sent by mail gone forever. I had screenshots, all the conversation, everything.

Do not trust other people in this game, he had my trust and look what he did. This Arena.net reply.

Well it doesnt have a happy ending you guys will not believe the answer. I didnt even bother to say anything in the official forums because that would get me ban. Here is the answer: Scamming is Allowed on GW2

Hello Zoyita,

Thanks for contacting the Guild Wars Game Support Team.

We understand that some transactions take place in the game world often involve a certain element of trust. A player will need to place trust in another player to fulfill his or her end of an agreement. Occasionally a player will go back on an agreement or act in a less-than-honest manner. Such acts are matters over which we have no control of and cannot take corrective measures. If a player does not live up to his or her end of an agreement we are unable to force that player to do so.

If you have additional questions please let us know.

Regards,
GM Sparse
Guild Wars Support Team

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I played other games where scammers where punished, i guess not this one. I already have 30G back from the 50G i lost but is sad that someone can be a villain and GW2 wont make justice, just like in the real world where the bad guy win. This just gives me a feeling like ill be playing and feeling everyone is bad around me some kind of sensation i didnt had before, world is already cruel and corrupted why our games have to be to? if someone have the power not politic involved to solve, punish and teach a lesson to the bad guys.

Because our games are supposed to be virtual worlds where sometimes yes, the bad guys win.  The only real mistake GW2 makes is it doesn't give you the option to exact retribution on your aggressor in game unfortunately.

I'm going to guess they aren't enforcing the fraud clause because in game gold has no "real world" value.  Had they stolen real money from you some how they might of, but otherwise they consider theft of in game items no really fraud.

I know you might not agree, but legally I don't think many people have ever successfully proven in a court of law they have legal rights when it comes to this sort of thing.

You learned the hard way my friend....
Never ever send items / money in such way or you ask to be scammed.

Play Eve Online for a moment and its one of the 1st things you learn.

Also if it sound to good to be true it often is to good to be true.

Hope you learned a lesson and never do such thing again.

10 years ago in Runescape, I would yell "Selling rune 2h" (Half price), I'd trade someone pop in the Rune 2h, when he saw the sword he would start paying attention to his coins, so i swapped it with iron...

The start of a long and profitable venture :D

Scammed a purple party hat once.

They sell for 500$.

Yep, for a hat that does nothing.

Lets imagine that the OP would get its money back.

Why would anyone use anything but the mail to trade?

The risk would be 0 and the reward assured.

I love the answers given to the OP.

99% Trolls and maybe 1% helpful.

Never, ever trust anyone online. Ever.

Arena,Nets always punishing the wrong people anyways while letting the real wrongdoers go. Yes, I'm looking at you gold extortionists..XD

OMG !!! C'mon ppl!! 

Bro you can farm that amount of gold for 7-10 max, stop cryin be a man not a girl. 

Now stop crying and go farm. 

I wrote a long repsonse to this... but instead I will ask a question...

Is it wrong to RP as a thief?

This thread would seem to vote yes, and they also should probably not become car salesmen.

I think the OP was just trying to take advantage of a system that is in most MMOs, but sadly absent from GW2. I mean, the usual economic system is that you use the AH for convenience and actual inter-character trading when you want the good deals. In other MMOs I would always put the stuff I wanted to sell on the auction house because I just wanted to post it and forget. I didn't want to spend hours spamming offers or browsing chats for buyers just to make a better profit, I usually had better shit to do.

Guild Wars 2 should offer that same choice. The OP took the time to look for and find a better deal than what the TP was offering (although it wasn't authentic), if the game actually supported a trading system where two windows opened up, he put in the gold, the other guy put in the ectos, and both players clicked confirm, then the OP should've gotten it. That's the way the game should be, not risk for reward, but more time and commitment for better profit.

That being said, the OP is still at fault for sending in the entirety of his gold in the mail to a complete stranger and hoping the guy has integrity. I won't call him an idiot for it, it can happen to anyone, even happened to me once. It's just a lesson everyone learns sooner or later.

Originally posted by Halohead

I think the OP was just trying to take advantage of a system that is in most MMOs, but sadly absent from GW2. I mean, the usual economic system is that you use the AH for convenience and actual inter-character trading when you want the good deals. In other MMOs I would always put the stuff I wanted to sell on the auction house because I just wanted to post it and forget. I didn't want to spend hours spamming offers or browsing chats for buyers just to make a better profit, I usually had better shit to do.

Guild Wars 2 should offer that same choice. The OP took the time to look for and find a better deal than what the TP was offering (although it wasn't authentic), if the game actually supported a trading system where two windows opened up, he put in the gold, the other guy put in the ectos, and both players clicked confirm, then the OP should've gotten it. That's the way the game should be, not risk for reward, but more time and commitment for better profit.

That being said, the OP is still at fault for sending in the entirety of his gold in the mail to a complete stranger and hoping the guy has integrity. I won't call him an idiot for it, it can happen to anyone, even happened to me once. It's just a lesson everyone learns sooner or later.

 

I disagree with the second paragraph. I don't think GW2 should have both systems, and I think the current system is superior.  The OP did not "take the time" to look for and find a better deal, they got caught up in a scam performed by multiple players pretending to be trading stuff, so that they could scam them out of all their gold.  The TP is far superior, direct player to player transactions are only needed for scam artists.