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  Coman

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Joined: 8/29/04
Posts: 1953

1/04/13 4:52:02 PM#41
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Zoyita

Also just for your information in the terms of service:

Source: http://us.ncsoft.com/en-gb/legal/user-agreements/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct.html

("NCSOFT") and ArenaNet, Inc. ("ArenaNet") have the sole right and final judgment of how to interpret and apply these rules and guidelines to any specific circumstance and situation, including proper punishment or exception.
While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

 

Big talk in there TOS but when it came time to do something they failed bigtime. I guess the scamer got the "exception". Sorry OP someone took advantage of you.

 

Some nice responces in this thread to btw. Big hearts in the GW2 community.

 

This is about the players right to play the game and you as a player can not/should not do anything to prevent them from playing. This does not relate to character interaction. Well that is how I believe CS interpret these rules. Who knows.

 

 

  Sovrath

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1/04/13 4:54:34 PM#42
Originally posted by Rimmersman
Originally posted by nate1980

You guys make me sick. Talk about blame the victim. So if you all walk down an alley one night after you got drunk at a bar, and get mugged, I guess the cops should just say, " it's your own fault for walking through a dark alley at night."

People and developers should always be striving to do the right thing. The right thing for the developers to do is to suspend that person and give this guy his gold back. GW2, nor does any other game, need people like that in their games.

[mod edit]

Or perhaps it's about people who cut their teeth on tougher games where you could be scammed and it was up to you and the community to police themselves.

so really? If someone told you, in "real life" that they had a product for you at a fraction of the cost you would find in a store, and all you had to do is give them money and wait while they "went to get it", would you?

Why is it that common sense flies out the window when people start playing these video games?

I dont' think there is a person here who isn't sympathetic to the OP but at the same time, when do we start taking responsibility for our actions? What the heck has happened to people? Heck, if I was an avid GW2 player I would just give him the gold out of my pocket and be done with it.

I like the above analogy of the two alleys, one light and one dark. People really need to start thinking for themselves.

 

  bingbongbros

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Joined: 9/21/10
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1/04/13 4:55:00 PM#43
Originally posted by Zoyita

Sad but true, as the title said. I trusted another player that where gonna sell me ectos for 50gold. 50 gold all i had, sent by mail gone forever. I had screenshots, all the conversation, everything.

Do not trust other people in this game, he had my trust and look what he did. This Arena.net reply.

Well it doesnt have a happy ending you guys will not believe the answer. I didnt even bother to say anything in the official forums because that would get me ban. Here is the answer: Scamming is Allowed on GW2

Hello Zoyita,

Thanks for contacting the Guild Wars Game Support Team.

We understand that some transactions take place in the game world often involve a certain element of trust. A player will need to place trust in another player to fulfill his or her end of an agreement. Occasionally a player will go back on an agreement or act in a less-than-honest manner. Such acts are matters over which we have no control of and cannot take corrective measures. If a player does not live up to his or her end of an agreement we are unable to force that player to do so.

If you have additional questions please let us know.

Regards,
GM Sparse
Guild Wars Support Team

----
I played other games where scammers where punished, i guess not this one. I already have 30G back from the 50G i lost but is sad that someone can be a villain and GW2 wont make justice, just like in the real world where the bad guy win. This just gives me a feeling like ill be playing and feeling everyone is bad around me some kind of sensation i didnt had before, world is already cruel and corrupted why our games have to be to? if someone have the power not politic involved to solve, punish and teach a lesson to the bad guys.

Really...? You want him punished because you are to trusting?  How long have you been playing mmo's?

I learned REAL fast that you do not trust anyone online, not even your own damn friends.  Protect yourself at all times and you will never lose 50 gold like that. 

I used to scam the bejesus out of people in Everquest 1 back in 1999.

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  C.L.O.U.D

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1/04/13 4:57:25 PM#44
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by C.L.O.U.D

OP: if you are honestly as old as your profile says you are, you should have had the presence of mind to not just give someone money. (Hypothetical Situation) : You are sitting around somewhere with your child and a wild stranger appears, he asks to hold the child. Do you: A) Let him hold it....B)Tell him to get lost....C)Leave the child with him and walk away.   

You just left your in-game child with a stranger and walked away.

This is an insance analogy.

 

Would have gone with something like you gave someone a 20 to go get you a beer from the bar and they never came back with the beer or your 20.

except he/she gave the scammer all their money.

  xAPOCx

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 891

1/04/13 4:57:40 PM#45
Originally posted by jdnewell

That sucks someone ripped you off. I am not suprised the CS did not do anything about it, it takes alot of time and investigation to make sure your side of the story is accurate.

It was a crummy thing for someone to do for sure. Best advice I can give you is never send anyone gold in the mail and be suspicious of pretty much anyone who asks you to.

I think most people who have played MMOs for many years have had some dealing with folks like this. I did a few stupid things in DAoC many years ago, i was a noob to MMOs and learned the hard way as well. Needless to say it has not happened since and I am much more careful with transactions. I dont do em unless its scam proof, ever.

Dont let it ruin your game experience with GW2. Most people are not like that, just chalk this one up to lesson learned and move on.

But isent this what they get paid for? I can understand not calling the cops if someone walks off with your 20 buck, "see my other post" since real cops have to invesigate break-ins and muders and car jackings.... the list goes on. But ANets GMs? Getting scammed by other players should fall into there everyday dealings. To say their to busy to deal with scammers is giving ANet a huge licnese to ignore these types of complaints.

  xAPOCx

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 891

1/04/13 4:59:19 PM#46
Originally posted by C.L.O.U.D
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by C.L.O.U.D

OP: if you are honestly as old as your profile says you are, you should have had the presence of mind to not just give someone money. (Hypothetical Situation) : You are sitting around somewhere with your child and a wild stranger appears, he asks to hold the child. Do you: A) Let him hold it....B)Tell him to get lost....C)Leave the child with him and walk away.   

You just left your in-game child with a stranger and walked away.

This is an insance analogy.

 

Would have gone with something like you gave someone a 20 to go get you a beer from the bar and they never came back with the beer or your 20.

except he/she gave the scammer all their money.

And? What does the OP giving all his money.... 50g comparable to giving your baby to a stranger then walking away?

  Ezhae

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Joined: 9/03/06
Posts: 734

1/04/13 4:59:23 PM#47

While in the end You pretty much have only yourself ot blame for trusting people over the internet, I'd try to send the ticket again and hope for some other rep to answer it. As with everything handled by humans, you may get different results depending on who answers ont he other side. 

 

If it doesn' work link the GM who answer this: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/

 

In-game Infractions

The following will result in either a temporary account suspension or permanent account termination, depending upon the severity of the matter:

(...)

Taking advantage of another player (“scamming”) in order to take his/her items or account

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5550

1/04/13 5:02:27 PM#48
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Rimmersman
Originally posted by nate1980

You guys make me sick. Talk about blame the victim. So if you all walk down an alley one night after you got drunk at a bar, and get mugged, I guess the cops should just say, " it's your own fault for walking through a dark alley at night."

People and developers should always be striving to do the right thing. The right thing for the developers to do is to suspend that person and give this guy his gold back. GW2, nor does any other game, need people like that in their games.

This is the attitude of most of the GW2 fans on this forum, you cant say anything negative about ArenaNet or GW2. Look how quickly they turn one of their own, it says it all about the majority of GW2 fans.

Or perhaps it's about people who cut their teeth on tougher games where you could be scammed and it was up to you and the community to police themselves.

so really? If someone told you, in "real life" that they had a product for you at a fraction of the cost you would find in a store, and all you had to do is give them money and wait while they "went to get it", would you?

Why is it that common sense flies out the window when people start playing these video games?

I dont' think there is a person here who isn't sympathetic to the OP but at the same time, when do we start taking responsibility for our actions? What the heck has happened to people? Heck, if I was an avid GW2 player I would just give him the gold out of my pocket and be done with it.

I like the above analogy of the two alleys, one light and one dark. People really need to start thinking for themselves.

 

I think that's the best analogy.

 

You are looking at a stereo system in a store. The price is $300. Some random person next to you says that they can give it to you for $200 if you pay them right there while they get it.

 

She gave that guy the $200. It really is common sense to be extremely skeptical in that situation. It's strange because I feel really badly for her. It's like I'm watching a loss of innocence. One day, she trusted others so wholely that she would give a random $200 to get a better deal. Now she can trust no one. Everyone is a potential enemy.

 

Ah well. 

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  xAPOCx

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 891

1/04/13 5:02:27 PM#49
Originally posted by Coman
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Zoyita

Also just for your information in the terms of service:

Source: http://us.ncsoft.com/en-gb/legal/user-agreements/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct.html

("NCSOFT") and ArenaNet, Inc. ("ArenaNet") have the sole right and final judgment of how to interpret and apply these rules and guidelines to any specific circumstance and situation, including proper punishment or exception.
While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

 

Big talk in there TOS but when it came time to do something they failed bigtime. I guess the scamer got the "exception". Sorry OP someone took advantage of you.

 

Some nice responces in this thread to btw. Big hearts in the GW2 community.

 

This is about the players right to play the game and you as a player can not/should not do anything to prevent them from playing. This does not relate to character interaction. Well that is how I believe CS interpret these rules. Who knows.

Ill refer you to the Yellow. If you choose to ignore this part thats your buissness.

  jtcgs

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Joined: 9/28/04
Posts: 1843

1/04/13 5:05:17 PM#50
Originally posted by xAPOCx

But isent this what they get paid for? I can understand not calling the cops if someone walks off with your 20 buck, "see my other post" since real cops have to invesigate break-ins and muders and car jackings.... the list goes on. But ANets GMs? Getting scammed by other players should fall into there everyday dealings. To say their to busy to deal with scammers is giving ANet a huge licnese to ignore these types of complaints.

 No, they do not get paid to take care of people not using what is in the game. And you need to stop using "police" analogies because you are not using proper ones. It has already been stated, this person chose not to use the tool given by the game to make sure no one can take advantage over you, they chose the risk. I am glad the GMs are using their time to assist those that are having issues with the actual game itself, and not for poor choices. 

It would have been different if the mail option had a CoD and the player found a way around it. No one exploited here and both did this knowing full well that the TP was a sure way to get what you are paying for.

“I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson

  xAPOCx

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 891

1/04/13 5:06:50 PM#51
Originally posted by bingbongbros
Originally posted by Zoyita

Sad but true, as the title said. I trusted another player that where gonna sell me ectos for 50gold. 50 gold all i had, sent by mail gone forever. I had screenshots, all the conversation, everything.

Do not trust other people in this game, he had my trust and look what he did. This Arena.net reply.

Well it doesnt have a happy ending you guys will not believe the answer. I didnt even bother to say anything in the official forums because that would get me ban. Here is the answer: Scamming is Allowed on GW2

Hello Zoyita,

Thanks for contacting the Guild Wars Game Support Team.

We understand that some transactions take place in the game world often involve a certain element of trust. A player will need to place trust in another player to fulfill his or her end of an agreement. Occasionally a player will go back on an agreement or act in a less-than-honest manner. Such acts are matters over which we have no control of and cannot take corrective measures. If a player does not live up to his or her end of an agreement we are unable to force that player to do so.

If you have additional questions please let us know.

Regards,
GM Sparse
Guild Wars Support Team

----
I played other games where scammers where punished, i guess not this one. I already have 30G back from the 50G i lost but is sad that someone can be a villain and GW2 wont make justice, just like in the real world where the bad guy win. This just gives me a feeling like ill be playing and feeling everyone is bad around me some kind of sensation i didnt had before, world is already cruel and corrupted why our games have to be to? if someone have the power not politic involved to solve, punish and teach a lesson to the bad guys.

Really...? You want him punished because you are to trusting?  How long have you been playing mmo's?

I learned REAL fast that you do not trust anyone online, not even your own damn friends.  Protect yourself at all times and you will never lose 50 gold like that. 

I used to scam the bejesus out of people in Everquest 1 back in 1999.

This is a shitty way to feel about the people you play with in a game. If you feel like this why even bother playing? Who the hell wants to look over their shoulder all the time.

 

>>>>>> I now see why you are they way you are. Because you yourself are a scammer.

  Vorch

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1/04/13 5:07:47 PM#52

Yes, the person who scammed you did something wrong...

 

...but ANet created the TP for precisely that reason.

"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days— those are now the only two states you’ll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2

  Rimmersman

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1/04/13 5:08:36 PM#53
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Rimmersman
Originally posted by nate1980

You guys make me sick. Talk about blame the victim. So if you all walk down an alley one night after you got drunk at a bar, and get mugged, I guess the cops should just say, " it's your own fault for walking through a dark alley at night."

People and developers should always be striving to do the right thing. The right thing for the developers to do is to suspend that person and give this guy his gold back. GW2, nor does any other game, need people like that in their games.

This is the attitude of most of the GW2 fans on this forum, you cant say anything negative about ArenaNet or GW2. Look how quickly they turn one of their own, it says it all about the majority of GW2 fans.e

 

I dont' think there is a person here who isn't sympathetic to the OP.

Yes their is, you choose to not see it.

  Serenes

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1/04/13 5:10:47 PM#54

I love all the people blaming him, which he is kinda at fault, but would it have really been that hard to slap this scammer on the wrist refund everyone he scammed and move on? The fact is ArenaNet is allowing scamming that email was proof, they don't care therefore they allow it. plain and simple. On top of that the game has no face to face trading or CoD, they ill prepare players for trading with other players and still don't stop scamming? ArenaNet should feel a shamed, I'm sorry for your gold aswell, I hope the dirt bag gets what is coming to him.

 

I was scammed once in WoW before any changes to trade menus cancelled your ready to trade, the guy got me for 150 gold in Vanilla, I sent a link screenshot and told them about it, the next day my gold was back in my bag. You know why because a GM read that ticket regardless and it took 3 seconds to fix it.

 

  xAPOCx

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1/04/13 5:14:54 PM#55
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by xAPOCx

But isent this what they get paid for? I can understand not calling the cops if someone walks off with your 20 buck, "see my other post" since real cops have to invesigate break-ins and muders and car jackings.... the list goes on. But ANets GMs? Getting scammed by other players should fall into there everyday dealings. To say their to busy to deal with scammers is giving ANet a huge licnese to ignore these types of complaints.

 No, they do not get paid to take care of people not using what is in the game. And you need to stop using "police" analogies because you are not using proper ones. It has already been stated, this person chose not to use the tool given by the game to make sure no one can take advantage over you, they chose the risk. I am glad the GMs are using their time to assist those that are having issues with the actual game itself, and not for poor choices. 

It would have been different if the mail option had a CoD and the player found a way around it. No one exploited here and both did this knowing full well that the TP was a sure way to get what you are paying for.

I did use it right. comparing ANets GMs to Police... Lets get that out of the way.

Why even give players to option to get scammed? Im sure when ANet put in there mail system there first thought wasnt "Lets put the mail system in like this so other players have the option to scam of other gamers"

Saying its the persons fault because he wanted to buy the item from a player directly insted of the broker is ludacris at best.

"Its not my fault officer! He left his wallet on the table so i took the money he had in it." Say that out loud and youll understand how rediculous you people sound.

You people must be the same people that blame the elderly who get scammed on a daily basis.

 

  User Deleted
1/04/13 5:14:59 PM#56
Originally posted by Zoyita

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This just gives me a feeling like ill be playing and feeling everyone is bad around me some kind of sensation i didnt had before, world is already cruel and corrupted why our games have to be to? if someone have the power not politic involved to solve, punish and teach a lesson to the bad guys.

Don't feel like that, Zoyita. I can be quite pessimistic at times but when I'm feeling optimistic I think to myself: you take in the good with the bad.

That's the beauty of MMOs. At times when you need others how will it turn out? More often than not it's positive. Just this one time...it sucks.

  RedJorge

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1/04/13 5:18:34 PM#57

This thread is precious for 3 reasons:

1. All shills in ArenaNet books reveal themselves in all their glory, amidst all the well intended users replies. Just note down their names.

2. A game like GW2 not having CoD on mail shows how unshamefuly ArenaNet wants to bleed our hard earned gold with very high taxes in all our transactions via TP.

3. ArenaNet bans players for using a game mechanic with recipes from the Wintersday event because they checked the logs but they do not do anything in this situation, with a lot of evidences.

This is ArenaNet present Management Staff.

RJ

 

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  Serenes

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1/04/13 5:26:51 PM#58
Originally posted by Vorch

Yes, the person who scammed you did something wrong...

 

...but ANet created the TP for precisely that reason.

Yes, yes lets not forget ArenaNet trying to take my gold, or just having incrediable unsafe other method, its like paying the mob for protection..... Do it and you lose don't do and you lose more... Fun.

 

I should pay the tax on the TP for convenience not safety. Its not hard to program face to face trading....

  xAPOCx

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1/04/13 5:34:16 PM#59
Originally posted by Serenes
Originally posted by Vorch

Yes, the person who scammed you did something wrong...

 

...but ANet created the TP for precisely that reason.

Yes, yes lets not forget ArenaNet trying to take my gold, or just having incrediable unsafe other method, its like paying the mob for protection..... Do it and you lose don't do and you lose more... Fun.

 

I should pay the tax on the TP for convenience not safety. Its not hard to program face to face trading....

Is it possable to make sence in this thread? I think soooooo. I agree with you sernes =)

  Cursedsei

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1/04/13 5:41:27 PM#60
Originally posted by Rimmersman
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Rimmersman
Originally posted by nate1980

You guys make me sick. Talk about blame the victim. So if you all walk down an alley one night after you got drunk at a bar, and get mugged, I guess the cops should just say, " it's your own fault for walking through a dark alley at night."

People and developers should always be striving to do the right thing. The right thing for the developers to do is to suspend that person and give this guy his gold back. GW2, nor does any other game, need people like that in their games.

This is the attitude of most of the GW2 fans on this forum, you cant say anything negative about ArenaNet or GW2. Look how quickly they turn one of their own, it says it all about the majority of GW2 fans.e

 

I dont' think there is a person here who isn't sympathetic to the OP.

Yes their is, you choose to not see it.

1) Fixed the coloring, don't be some pathetic twat adding in black text on dark backgrounds.

2) Reading comprehension, look into it.

 

He said he doesn't think there is a person in this topic who isn't sympathetic. As in, he thinks everyone here is sympathetic towards what happened to the OP, though they have different ways of showing it.

 

Some agree it sucks, but its the fault of the OP to begin with, some think the scammer should be punished and OP reimbursed, while others think that both the scammer should be punished while the OP isn't reimbursed because it was their fault.

 

Me? As much as I love GW2, the game has some bloody big failings on its part, with the ability to trade being the biggest on there. The Auction House is fine and dandy, but its no excuse to just drop all other forms of trading so willy-nilly. There simply isn't a reason to. OP should of known better or done more to protect his 50g, the Scammer is exactly that and should be punished, and Arena.Net needs to start implementing mechanics that are needed in the game, not some paltry and weak excuse of "gear progression" that is the completely idiotic Infusion mechanic as well as a completely worthless and unneeded "tier" of gear.

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