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  Trionicus

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OP  1/02/13 10:56:23 PM#1

Happy Holidays my fellow enthusiasts, how you all doing?

I'm hoping you all can nerd rage and help me with a little problem I have here. I've got yet another friend who has recently bought a computer from best buy. I believe it is this model: 

 

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/5555478/asus-essentio-desktop-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-reviews/reviews.htm

 

It cost my friend roughly $800 - I'm assuming this doesn't include sales tax. My friend then continued on to buy a replacement video card, the AMD 7770 and an unknown corsair 700W power supply.

 

The bottom line: I was trying to convince my friend that with basically $900 she could assemble a much better PC herself. Can I get a little support here, I don't want her to get the short end of the stick as I've seen so many friends down that path, purchasing store bought PC's only to have it backfire in their face. All the items were bought in the last 24hrs so i'm thinking that returning everything shouldn't be a problem.

 

She mostly plays MMO's but would like her PC to be capable of running the most graphic intensive games out today at decent framerates.

 

For some unknown reason she thinks made a great purchase, I would like us to turn her from the dark side!

  miguksaram

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1/02/13 11:19:45 PM#2

The short answer is if she can return it all she should.  $900 spent on a personal build will yield a MUCH better computer overall.  Afterall, if she replacing parts on a brand new computer the little money that was spent on parts already in the computer is money wasted, there is no denying that. 

Now to get a better idea of how much money she would actually be working with if she built her own, outside of the stuff you listed she recently purchased does she already own a monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers and surge protector or an UPS?  Those items are all pretty much a must for a computer (the UPS is optional if you have a surge protector) and if she doesn't own them it brings down the total cost she has to build the tower by a decent amount, as in closer to $700 which if that is the case Quiz literally just linked a $700 build today in a previous post for another member that is still very valid if she can order from Newegg.

However if she does have all the peripherals needed and can devote a full $900 to the build we would need to know her full intentions with the computer in order to provide a build that fits her specific needs.  If it's primary purpose will be for gaming some examples of the more GFX intensive games she plans to play would also be advisable because it will help to determine which level of GPU would be reasonable to suggest.

  GrayGhost79

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Joined: 8/30/08
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1/02/13 11:23:15 PM#3
Originally posted by Trionicus

Happy Holidays my fellow enthusiasts, how you all doing?

I'm hoping you all can nerd rage and help me with a little problem I have here. I've got yet another friend who has recently bought a computer from best buy. I believe it is this model: 

 

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/5555478/asus-essentio-desktop-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-reviews/reviews.htm

 

It cost my friend roughly $800 - I'm assuming this doesn't include sales tax. My friend then continued on to buy a replacement video card, the AMD 7770 and an unknown corsair 700W power supply.

 

The bottom line: I was trying to convince my friend that with basically $900 she could assemble a much better PC herself. Can I get a little support here, I don't want her to get the short end of the stick as I've seen so many friends down that path, purchasing store bought PC's only to have it backfire in their face. All the items were bought in the last 24hrs so i'm thinking that returning everything shouldn't be a problem.

 

She mostly plays MMO's but would like her PC to be capable of running the most graphic intensive games out today at decent framerates.

 

For some unknown reason she thinks made a great purchase, I would like us to turn her from the dark side!

Just show here what she has, show her reviews of what she has, the individual parts and then take her to newegg and show her what she could have gotten. 

For $900 she can get a rig that will be considered high end for years to come and mid ranged for years after lol. 

Thats with a GPU and CPU that will damn near be double the power and performance of what she has in the bestbuy PC. 

  Rayshe

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Joined: 11/30/11
Posts: 1295

1/02/13 11:24:00 PM#4
The other upside to a Personal Built PC. is when something goes wrong, there is a chance you already know what it is. you could not read any information on computers but just by the act of putting pieces togeather learn how it works in a core fashion

Because i can.
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  Quizzical

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1/02/13 11:24:06 PM#5

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+Essentio+Desktop+-+8GB+Memory+-+1TB+Hard+Drive/6699862.p;tab=specifications?id=1218786214592&skuId=6699862

I count 42 lines of specs there.  And for all of that, they only tell you one part in the entire machine, namely, the processor.  They come kind of close on the video card, which is basically a rebranded GeForce GT 520, and Nvidia's lowest end card of the last three generations.  They also tell you some about the optical drive and hard drive.

But what power supply is it?  What motherboard?  If they don't tell you, it's probably junk.

Now, you said your friend did replace the power supply, and Corsair doesn't make any junk power supplies.  None of their good lines hit 700 W exactly, so it was most likely a GS700, which is basically a budget model without the budget price tag.  But it won't be a danger to your system.

And you said your friend did replace the video card with a Radeon HD 7770.  That probably pushes the price tag over $1000, ignoring taxes.  That's easily enough to get a gaming rig for which every single component is better than what your friend got except the optical drive (since they're all basically equivalent, anyway) and the processor--though you could argue for a Core i5-3570K (what you'd get if you built your own) as being better than a Core i7-3770 due to overclocking capabilities.

You notably didn't say that your friend replaced the case.  And that could be trouble, as it looks like it has just a single case fan for airflow.  That's plenty for the low power hardware that it came with, but it's not meant to cool a high-powered video card.

  Aori

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Joined: 1/28/06
Posts: 1801

1/03/13 12:42:49 AM#6

If she can get her money back do it, bestbuy is the devil and they purposely and knowingly sell shit computers at high prices. Just an example of what this company does, I was in browsing for a cheap laptop as a christmas present, it is the only thing i even fancy getting from bestbuy.. that and the occasional open box browsing.

The salesidiot was trying to convince an older gentleman who was trying to find a PC for his son for gaming. The guy was trying to sell this man an HP desktop with the FX6300, 4 gb, win8 and still to this day unknown GPU for like $750. I couldn't help myself and kindly walked over and asked the techsavvy employee of bestbuy what kind of graphics card this system had. Best answer I got was its a 7something that plays games well. I asked a few other questions and with his inability to answer them the other customer disappeared out of the store.

now while I don't want to make someones job hard, bestbuy employees are just low and piss me off. Not that the guy probably cared anyways, either way the other customer probably went to walmart where he could get a piece of shit for a piece of shit price instead of a piece of shit for a premium price.

Bestbuy evilness aside, brand PC's are set to live by default right until warranties expire. The trick is they get you to get extended warranties and fix your pc with junk cheap parts. Only to have it break down again in a few months.  Most of the time the extended warranty requires you to ship it back(at your cost) or take it to the retailer. They usually have little loss and collect major on warranties.

If parts go bad in Brand PC's your options are limited, you can't just replace the motherboard if its the issue because well they aren't usually available to end users. Buying a new motherboard apart from the original requires a new OS which is more money wasted. I'd touch on PSU's but obviously its been taken care of. Heat in the case has also been mentioned aswell.

Its just easier to build your own, handle your own replacements and repair. Also why pay more for less? build your own get something better. theres Nothing like having a clean computer with just the OS on it at the start.

  Domoto

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1/03/13 12:45:12 AM#7

Well, I can tell you that there is a 30 day return policy on everything sold in store now, so hopefully still some time for that...figured I would try and help in some way :D

Please do your friend a favor and show her the light of the custom PC

also, Aori, not all of us are complete assholes and have no idea what we are talking about, just most :P

 

  GrayGhost79

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Joined: 8/30/08
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1/03/13 7:39:54 AM#8
Originally posted by Domoto

Well, I can tell you that there is a 30 day return policy on everything sold in store now, so hopefully still some time for that...figured I would try and help in some way :D

Please do your friend a favor and show her the light of the custom PC

also, Aori, not all of us are complete assholes and have no idea what we are talking about, just most :P

 

Now time for the Disclaimer on the BestBuy refund policy because this is a fun one lol.

 

Your refund will generally be in the same form as the original purchase. However, when the item was paid for with cash or debit card without a major credit card logo in an amount greater than $500, or paid for by check in an amount greater than $250, the refund will be in the form of a check mailed within 10 business days of the return. Any amounts deducted from a gift card or Pitch In card will be credited to the gift card or Pitch In card used.

 

Depending on how you paid it can take up to 2 weeks to get your refund. 

  TruthXHurts

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1/03/13 7:45:05 AM#9
Explain to her that as a man your opinion is automatically superior,  and after she gets you a sandwich from the kitchen and does her duty downstairs. Lead her by her delicate hand to the return desk. Then beat her with a stick no bigger than your thumb until she orders a custom built off of the internet.

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  Domoto

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Joined: 1/22/12
Posts: 78

1/03/13 12:39:25 PM#10
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Domoto

Well, I can tell you that there is a 30 day return policy on everything sold in store now, so hopefully still some time for that...figured I would try and help in some way :D

Please do your friend a favor and show her the light of the custom PC

also, Aori, not all of us are complete assholes and have no idea what we are talking about, just most :P

 

Now time for the Disclaimer on the BestBuy refund policy because this is a fun one lol.

 

Your refund will generally be in the same form as the original purchase. However, when the item was paid for with cash or debit card without a major credit card logo in an amount greater than $500, or paid for by check in an amount greater than $250, the refund will be in the form of a check mailed within 10 business days of the return. Any amounts deducted from a gift card or Pitch In card will be credited to the gift card or Pitch In card used.

 

Depending on how you paid it can take up to 2 weeks to get your refund. 

 

Very rarely does this happen, more or less an amount above $500 paid for with cash or debit would have to come back as cash...which the drawers do not have. most transactions above this price I have seen are generally a credit card of sime kind, or processed as credit.

This actually is pretty close to most every other major retailer out there...

  Traugar

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Joined: 7/29/10
Posts: 168

1/03/13 1:11:33 PM#11
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Domoto

Well, I can tell you that there is a 30 day return policy on everything sold in store now, so hopefully still some time for that...figured I would try and help in some way :D

Please do your friend a favor and show her the light of the custom PC

also, Aori, not all of us are complete assholes and have no idea what we are talking about, just most :P

 

Now time for the Disclaimer on the BestBuy refund policy because this is a fun one lol.

 

Your refund will generally be in the same form as the original purchase. However, when the item was paid for with cash or debit card without a major credit card logo in an amount greater than $500, or paid for by check in an amount greater than $250, the refund will be in the form of a check mailed within 10 business days of the return. Any amounts deducted from a gift card or Pitch In card will be credited to the gift card or Pitch In card used.

 

Depending on how you paid it can take up to 2 weeks to get your refund. 

Who pays cash for something over $500.  More than likely she used her debit card, or credit card. 

  Trionicus

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Joined: 1/31/12
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OP  1/03/13 11:29:07 PM#12

Thanks guys. I think maybe hearing it from other people just might do the trick so this is very appreciated. Then again, more stubborn people might feel ambushed :O

I'm pretty sure she already has peripherals etc... She IS sticking with the asus case (I think thats what she likes most about the PC). I'll go ahead and pass on the whole 'go make me a sammich" 

The whole issue of the refund could suck though. Having to wait up to 2 weeks for anything is never awesome.

  Rojen06

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1/03/13 11:34:07 PM#13
I recently updated my pc, got a AMD quad-core + gigabyte mother board. 8gigs or ram for only $145 with about $11 in tax.
  Aori

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1/03/13 11:38:39 PM#14
Originally posted by Rojen06
I recently updated my pc, got a AMD quad-core + gigabyte mother board. 8gigs or ram for only $145 with about $11 in tax.

That doesn't really tell us very much, there is more than 1 amd quad and 1 gigabyte motherboard. Also what ram did you buy? DDR3? 1333mhz or 1600mhz?

Also you probably had to buy a new OS, as the old one would not have worked.

  SuperXero89

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1/03/13 11:40:57 PM#15
Originally posted by Trionicus

Happy Holidays my fellow enthusiasts, how you all doing?

I'm hoping you all can nerd rage and help me with a little problem I have here. I've got yet another friend who has recently bought a computer from best buy. I believe it is this model: 

 

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/5555478/asus-essentio-desktop-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-reviews/reviews.htm

 

It cost my friend roughly $800 - I'm assuming this doesn't include sales tax. My friend then continued on to buy a replacement video card, the AMD 7770 and an unknown corsair 700W power supply.

 

The bottom line: I was trying to convince my friend that with basically $900 she could assemble a much better PC herself. Can I get a little support here, I don't want her to get the short end of the stick as I've seen so many friends down that path, purchasing store bought PC's only to have it backfire in their face. All the items were bought in the last 24hrs so i'm thinking that returning everything shouldn't be a problem.

 

She mostly plays MMO's but would like her PC to be capable of running the most graphic intensive games out today at decent framerates.

 

For some unknown reason she thinks made a great purchase, I would like us to turn her from the dark side!

Does she know how to build her own PC?  If not, will you help her?

It's not easy in any sense of the word unless you've built plenty before.  I get annoyed by people who keep telling random people on the internet to build their own PCs.  $900  is a huge investment and all that money goes into the trash if you break something.  

 

  Souldrainer

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1/03/13 11:43:48 PM#16
Originally posted by SuperXero89
Originally posted by Trionicus

Happy Holidays my fellow enthusiasts, how you all doing?

I'm hoping you all can nerd rage and help me with a little problem I have here. I've got yet another friend who has recently bought a computer from best buy. I believe it is this model: 

 

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/5555478/asus-essentio-desktop-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-reviews/reviews.htm

 

It cost my friend roughly $800 - I'm assuming this doesn't include sales tax. My friend then continued on to buy a replacement video card, the AMD 7770 and an unknown corsair 700W power supply.

 

The bottom line: I was trying to convince my friend that with basically $900 she could assemble a much better PC herself. Can I get a little support here, I don't want her to get the short end of the stick as I've seen so many friends down that path, purchasing store bought PC's only to have it backfire in their face. All the items were bought in the last 24hrs so i'm thinking that returning everything shouldn't be a problem.

 

She mostly plays MMO's but would like her PC to be capable of running the most graphic intensive games out today at decent framerates.

 

For some unknown reason she thinks made a great purchase, I would like us to turn her from the dark side!

Does she know how to build her own PC?  If not, will you help her?

It's not easy in any sense of the word unless you've built plenty before.  I get annoyed by people who keep telling random people on the internet to build their own PCs.  $900  is a huge investment and all that money goes into the trash if you break something.  

 

 

Honestly, if you can't build a PC in the modern era, then I wouldn't recommend using one, either. You plug square pegs into squarr holes and round pegs into round holes. DONE!

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  SuperXero89

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1/03/13 11:48:56 PM#17
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by SuperXero89
Originally posted by Trionicus

Happy Holidays my fellow enthusiasts, how you all doing?

I'm hoping you all can nerd rage and help me with a little problem I have here. I've got yet another friend who has recently bought a computer from best buy. I believe it is this model: 

 

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/5555478/asus-essentio-desktop-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-reviews/reviews.htm

 

It cost my friend roughly $800 - I'm assuming this doesn't include sales tax. My friend then continued on to buy a replacement video card, the AMD 7770 and an unknown corsair 700W power supply.

 

The bottom line: I was trying to convince my friend that with basically $900 she could assemble a much better PC herself. Can I get a little support here, I don't want her to get the short end of the stick as I've seen so many friends down that path, purchasing store bought PC's only to have it backfire in their face. All the items were bought in the last 24hrs so i'm thinking that returning everything shouldn't be a problem.

 

She mostly plays MMO's but would like her PC to be capable of running the most graphic intensive games out today at decent framerates.

 

For some unknown reason she thinks made a great purchase, I would like us to turn her from the dark side!

Does she know how to build her own PC?  If not, will you help her?

It's not easy in any sense of the word unless you've built plenty before.  I get annoyed by people who keep telling random people on the internet to build their own PCs.  $900  is a huge investment and all that money goes into the trash if you break something.  

 

 

Honestly, if you can't build a PC in the modern era, then I wouldn't recommend using one, either. You plug square pegs into squarr holes and round pegs into round holes. DONE!

Say you've never built a PC before.  You don't even know what all the connectors are called.  You just follow the instructions found in the three or four different manuals you're referencing while you build your machine.  You finally get the machine built, yet when you press power on the case, nothing happens.

What is the newbie going to do then?

  JimmyYO

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Posts: 541

1/03/13 11:48:56 PM#18
if you're confident building your own you should do so, without a doubt. If you do a little shopping you can get a computer roughly 30% better for the same price by building yourself. I've done 50%+ better in the past thanks to newegg.
  Aori

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Posts: 1801

1/03/13 11:50:23 PM#19
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by SuperXero89
Originally posted by Trionicus

Happy Holidays my fellow enthusiasts, how you all doing?

I'm hoping you all can nerd rage and help me with a little problem I have here. I've got yet another friend who has recently bought a computer from best buy. I believe it is this model: 

 

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/5555478/asus-essentio-desktop-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-reviews/reviews.htm

 

It cost my friend roughly $800 - I'm assuming this doesn't include sales tax. My friend then continued on to buy a replacement video card, the AMD 7770 and an unknown corsair 700W power supply.

 

The bottom line: I was trying to convince my friend that with basically $900 she could assemble a much better PC herself. Can I get a little support here, I don't want her to get the short end of the stick as I've seen so many friends down that path, purchasing store bought PC's only to have it backfire in their face. All the items were bought in the last 24hrs so i'm thinking that returning everything shouldn't be a problem.

 

She mostly plays MMO's but would like her PC to be capable of running the most graphic intensive games out today at decent framerates.

 

For some unknown reason she thinks made a great purchase, I would like us to turn her from the dark side!

Does she know how to build her own PC?  If not, will you help her?

It's not easy in any sense of the word unless you've built plenty before.  I get annoyed by people who keep telling random people on the internet to build their own PCs.  $900  is a huge investment and all that money goes into the trash if you break something.  

 

 

Honestly, if you can't build a PC in the modern era, then I wouldn't recommend using one, either. You plug square pegs into squarr holes and round pegs into round holes. DONE!

 

Agreed

More or less its pretty easy. It is just a few things to know which one would consider common sense but obviously it is lacking in the modern world. Don't go trying to generate static by rubbing your feet across your carpet then attempt to put a PC together. Don't use brute force, it is rarely needed except when trying to get certain heatsinks to sit right.

Watch a youtube video on how to put a PC together or even use one of neweggs videos, they're usually pretty good at showing idiots putting pc's together.

The hardest part in getting a standard pc put together these days is cable management and sometimes front panel plug ins.

  Aori

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Posts: 1801

1/03/13 11:54:07 PM#20
Originally posted by SuperXero89
Originally posted by Souldrainer
Originally posted by SuperXero89
Originally posted by Trionicus

Happy Holidays my fellow enthusiasts, how you all doing?

I'm hoping you all can nerd rage and help me with a little problem I have here. I've got yet another friend who has recently bought a computer from best buy. I believe it is this model: 

 

http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/5555478/asus-essentio-desktop-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-reviews/reviews.htm

 

It cost my friend roughly $800 - I'm assuming this doesn't include sales tax. My friend then continued on to buy a replacement video card, the AMD 7770 and an unknown corsair 700W power supply.

 

The bottom line: I was trying to convince my friend that with basically $900 she could assemble a much better PC herself. Can I get a little support here, I don't want her to get the short end of the stick as I've seen so many friends down that path, purchasing store bought PC's only to have it backfire in their face. All the items were bought in the last 24hrs so i'm thinking that returning everything shouldn't be a problem.

 

She mostly plays MMO's but would like her PC to be capable of running the most graphic intensive games out today at decent framerates.

 

For some unknown reason she thinks made a great purchase, I would like us to turn her from the dark side!

Does she know how to build her own PC?  If not, will you help her?

It's not easy in any sense of the word unless you've built plenty before.  I get annoyed by people who keep telling random people on the internet to build their own PCs.  $900  is a huge investment and all that money goes into the trash if you break something.  

 

 

Honestly, if you can't build a PC in the modern era, then I wouldn't recommend using one, either. You plug square pegs into squarr holes and round pegs into round holes. DONE!

Say you've never built a PC before.  You don't even know what all the connectors are called.  You just follow the instructions found in the three or four different manuals you're referencing while you build your machine.  You finally get the machine built, yet when you press power on the case, nothing happens.

What is the newbie going to do then?

If for whatever reason the PC doesn't power up then they can come ask this forum or one of the 100s of helpful tech forums for assistance. Either way the op is the friend of the person who is buying a store bought, It is assumed he would help with the assembly.

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