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  MMOdad72

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1/03/13 6:03:06 PM#41
Only morons would support this.

If I want to take the kids wii games to the grandparents over the holidays I should be able to without having to drag the entire system.

Just as I can login to any computer and play my steam games if I want to without bringing my home rig.

Hope this makes Sony go ahead and go over into bankruptcy - their current stock and overall business is borderline into junk territory to begin with.
  NaughtyP

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1/03/13 6:06:36 PM#42
This and many other reasons are why I hope the Ouya crushes other consoles. It's a long shot, but what the heck why not give someone else a chance.

Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  VoreDock

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1/03/13 6:11:36 PM#43

this is why i am going back to pc gameing  

MS and Sony are treating their consel owners like a  canser  

its all just greed  it stops no hacker and only  puts games on a untuchable level  for the poor  gameing  is  the only thing  some of us have now they want to take that too  cant pay $60  well then no games for you  it's just not right 

  Celcius

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1/03/13 7:21:25 PM#44
  Talin

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1/03/13 7:24:02 PM#45

I'm all for protecting against piracy as long as it does not come at a detriment to the consumer experience.

This only shows the technology component, not how the process of managing it will be implemented. That said, I kind of think Sony will screw this up anyhow.

 

  Celcius

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1/03/13 7:28:58 PM#46
Originally posted by Talin

I'm all for protecting against piracy as long as it does not come at a detriment to the consumer experience.

This only shows the technology component, not how the process of managing it will be implemented. That said, I kind of think Sony will screw this up anyhow.

 

Yeah. I would not be entirely surprised if this only affects certain titles or if it even is being applied to the PS4.

  Kaerigan

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1/03/13 7:46:00 PM#47

I remember there being talk of this for the PS3 as well back when it was still in development but they (obviously) never went through with it. It's worrying that this kind of shit is resurfacing. I've always been a Playstation fan but if they pull this shit with the PS4 I ain't buying it. I usually buy my game copies new but every now and then I buy a used one and then I expect it to work, goddamnit.

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  MMOdad72

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1/03/13 7:49:25 PM#48

PS4 downstairs in the game/man cave but want to play it on the one upstairs ? Buy another copy.

Sorry Sony , and defenders of this , that is just moronic.

Steam currently lets you play all your games on any PC you want to download it to , just one at a time, not rocket science , the idea of being locked into a specific machine will kill , kill consoles.

Hopefully one console maker will utitlize this opportunity to make sure and not do it , and push that their console doesnt do this , would be an auto win for said maker who would then crush all the idiots manufacturers who tried to go this route.

  SuperXero89

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1/03/13 7:55:01 PM#49
We will likely see another video game crash at some point in the future. Humanity can't keep its greed in check. The biggest reason for this is likely cash shops and DLC, but console makers needlessly destroying used game sales and mega-companies like EA producing mediocre products won't win them any favors.
  Celcius

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1/03/13 7:56:57 PM#50
I hate to say it, but I don't think that Sony would be the only one doing this if it happens. I bet Microsoft would do it as well. I mean, I honestly have all but given up on console gaming myself..but I still love having the systems =/ The digital offerings on both platforms these days are pretty stellar and it would be dissapointing to lose out on those physical titles as well. I don't buy many used games but I certainly trade in old games towards new ones. Hell, my game collection is usually under 3 in terms of games with actual value since I trade so much stuff in. This eliminates selling games on amazon,ebay,ect too so that would also not be good.
  Wraithone

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1/03/13 8:03:28 PM#51
Originally posted by Coxel
That is illegal in the USA.   They might be able to enforce that elsewhere but here we do have a right that protects us from such measure and has been upheld repeatedly by the supreme court.

Any "rights" you may have in the US depend on who owns the politicians in question.   The "law" is what ever the Orcs back in Mordor on the potomac say that it is.  All that those corps have to do is make more generous "contributions" to key politicians, to get what ever they want.  You may have also noticed that the Nine Riders of the Bench, tend to have a rather "flexible" opinion on what is and isn't "Constitutional", depending on what ideology is involved.

If Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo decide to do this, and do the proper prep work, there is little to prevent it.

  Celcius

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1/03/13 8:08:16 PM#52
I can assure you that if this was illegal in the USA, that sites like Gamespot would not take these rumors so seriously. Not that I give any credit to Gamespot, they are a terrible source of information. I am sure the legal team at Sony would be well aware of such a law were it to exist.
  Quizzical

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1/03/13 8:10:56 PM#53

The primary reason for consoles to still exist is anti-piracy measures for single-player games.  While this isn't really an anti-piracy measure, it is in the same vein, as it would allow game publishers to deny people the opportunity to play a game unless they've paid the game publisher directly.

Remember that publishers don't care how many people play their games.  They care how many people buy a copy.  Would blocking the resale of used games lead to more new copies being sold, or fewer?  It's not obvious, and it could plausibly vary with a number of other factors, but it's entirely possible that the answer is "more".

As for not supporting Sony, if you only buy games used, then they're losing money on you.  They lose money on the console itself, and then try to make it back by taking a cut of all new game sales.  Fewer consoles sold but more new game sales per console sold could easily work out as a win for Sony, even it if leads to fewer new game sales in total.

Incidentally, losing money on every console sold but trying to make it back by taking a cut of new game sales is Microsoft's business model, too.  Nintendo and Apple make their consoles cheaper so that they make money on every console sold, in addition to taking a cut of sales.  (Apple makes consoles?  Yep, the iPad is a console, whether you like it or not.)

  Celcius

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1/03/13 8:28:51 PM#54
Originally posted by Quizzical

The primary reason for consoles to still exist is anti-piracy measures for single-player games.  While this isn't really an anti-piracy measure, it is in the same vein, as it would allow game publishers to deny people the opportunity to play a game unless they've paid the game publisher directly.

Remember that publishers don't care how many people play their games.  They care how many people buy a copy.  Would blocking the resale of used games lead to more new copies being sold, or fewer?  It's not obvious, and it could plausibly vary with a number of other factors, but it's entirely possible that the answer is "more".

As for not supporting Sony, if you only buy games used, then they're losing money on you.  They lose money on the console itself, and then try to make it back by taking a cut of all new game sales.  Fewer consoles sold but more new game sales per console sold could easily work out as a win for Sony, even it if leads to fewer new game sales in total.

Incidentally, losing money on every console sold but trying to make it back by taking a cut of new game sales is Microsoft's business model, too.  Nintendo and Apple make their consoles cheaper so that they make money on every console sold, in addition to taking a cut of sales.  (Apple makes consoles?  Yep, the iPad is a console, whether you like it or not.)

The primary reason consoles still exist is certainly not anti-piracy measures. Sure, that may mean developers opt out of PC development, but it is not the primary reason. The main reason consoles exist is because they have been the dominant force (for good or bad) in the gaming market since the industry came off of Arcades. PCs are a huge investment and a ton of people are not as familiar with them as they are with just plugging a console into your TV. Accessibility is the key reason consoles exist at this point. Do I think they will exist forever? No. Hell, I would say there are a ton of people who are willing to pay more for accessibility.

As long as there is a market in which people are ill informed though, people will opt to purchase a console for gaming instead. Yeah in the long run you will probably get more money's worth out of a pc, but the console market is changing. Consoles arent coming out every couple of years anymore. This console generation lasted 8 years? How long do PCs usually last you? I could tell you right now I have gone through atleast 2 and countless upgrades since I purchased my original Xbox. I still find PC gaming to be better but I am not blind to how successful the consoles still are and continue to be. 

All that said, if this does happen, it will hurt the console market and we will see consoles dissappear sooner then later. I think they will all go digital soon enough though, which means that it won't matter anyways.

  psychobgr

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1/04/13 5:04:14 AM#55

Not sure how this will be in EU but I read this on steam forums.

 

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2783990

 

  dustyhayes

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1/04/13 7:30:32 AM#56
I don't think this is applicable in the EU 
  HeroEvermore

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1/06/13 3:30:02 AM#57

This is a good thing in my opinion. With pirating is rampant as it is I 100% support this. Want to play a game? Demo it. Want to play more. BUY IT!!!! Thus leading to more money to the companys that make the games we love.

 

I for one fully support this.

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  atuerstar

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1/06/13 3:50:45 AM#58
Originally posted by HeroEvermore

This is a good thing in my opinion. With pirating is rampant as it is I 100% support this. Want to play a game? Demo it. Want to play more. BUY IT!!!! Thus leading to more money to the companys that make the games we love.

 

I for one fully support this.

Yeah not many are seeing this for what it really is....the end result of piracy and only buying used games. Spend your entire life trying to ensure games developers go out of business to save yourself a buck you have to expect ridiculous countermeasures to come into play.

 

Sad that it may make honest buyers lives more difficult as a result.

  Br3akingDawn

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1/06/13 4:08:39 AM#59
haha. again it is the society that allows these companies to do the things they do. JUST DONT BUY IT!!! lets see how fast their companies go bye bye. Its like diamonds. Useless but shiny rocks. but so expensive why? because people make it expensive.  who cares if its rare. just a rock....

  quseio

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1/06/13 4:29:35 AM#60
imnot terribly concerned at best itl take a year to be cracked and i wouldnt even feel bad doing it. i can even imagine rentalplaces doing it for   free fir buying a years   membership
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