Originally posted by InFlamestwo

Originally posted by Myrdynn

what I get from this 

ANet announced they are gonna do something

Blizzard said good idea

ANet years later still working on it allegedly

Blizzard has the system in place.

Everything in the MMO universe is copied from something.  Im not a huge Blizzard fan, but I will say they still have the best combat engine (response time is instant) , and are the best at implementing and perfecting ideas

Guild Wars 2 has does absolutely NOTHING innovative, not 1 thing

 

 

ArenaNet have innovated alot more with GW1 and GW2 than Blizzard have ever done with WoW. WoW's good innovations was dungeon finder and talent trees.

Name 2 things Arena Net have innovated in their games that hasn't already been done in the genre. I'll sit here and wait while you rummage around.

Originally posted by Kwintpod
God I hate mobas

Seconded. I hate MOBAs and the culture it cultivates.

Originally posted by Kinkykel

Originally posted by InFlamestwo

Originally posted by Myrdynn

what I get from this 

ANet announced they are gonna do something

Blizzard said good idea

ANet years later still working on it allegedly

Blizzard has the system in place.

Everything in the MMO universe is copied from something.  Im not a huge Blizzard fan, but I will say they still have the best combat engine (response time is instant) , and are the best at implementing and perfecting ideas

Guild Wars 2 has does absolutely NOTHING innovative, not 1 thing

 

 

ArenaNet have innovated alot more with GW1 and GW2 than Blizzard have ever done with WoW. WoW's good innovations was dungeon finder and talent trees.

Name 2 things Arena Net have innovated in their games that hasn't already been done in the genre. I'll sit here and wait while you rummage around.

 

still waiting, fwiw Asheron's Call 2 did talent trees

Just to let everyone know who doesn't know, Guild Wars 2 did in fact release a moba style map during the Halloween event to test the waters. It was called Reapers Rumble. Google it.

Anyhow, does it matter what mechanic makes into w/e game or who copied who? Be pleased that developers are making content for gamers to mess around in. It ain't that serious. Play what you like.

I hope WoW last another 10yrs. I hope GW2 last 10yrs.

If WoW brings in this game mode, maybe it'll hit thier next MMO out the door. More content means more satisfied gamers, which is all I really care about.

Originally posted by Serenes

Originally posted by Lionexx

Originally posted by Serenes

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

So Blizzard copied C&C with Warcraft1/2/3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Fixed that for you. (with a lie)

C&C release 1995

Warcraft release 1994

Explain how they copied C&C? Using telepathic powers? crystal ball?   :)

Please refrain from spreading lies.

Yeahk, I should have just credited Westwood and not C&C in particular.  Blizz did totally rip off the Westwood.  Please at least be honest about Blizz and the fact they rarely innovate and most every single one of their design moves is reactionary to what other games are doing.

You are correct sir. They are known to rip off idea and they rarely innovate.

But for some reason people think Blizzard ripped off Anet, because it make them feel better I guess. When in actuality a more plausible assumption is they ripped off LoL. The same people Anet are ripping off as well. 

They are reacting to GW, LoL, and DoTA.  GW1 was a wildly successful esport and GW2 I think is very popular and Blizz wants to keep players focused on what they offer.

Yes because Blizzard does not already have control one of the biggest if not the biggest Esport game. GW1 was mildly successful at best.

 

The fact of the matter is Blizzard made a map editor with SC and WC3 that did not come with most good RTS of the time, not even speaking of the stolen models names and item mechnics, that DOTA and AoS benefited from. Do you truly believe it would have been as easy to make DOTA without Blizzard?

 

 

I don't like alot of the things that Blizzard has done lately, but they did not steal anything from ArenaNet. Lets talk about game mechanics that Anet is stealing.

 

Siege PvP - Countless Games.

Dynamic Events - Funny how this happened after rift, strickly speaking Trion did say it first, and sense you wanted to say Blizzard copied this Idea from them then, well there you go. Guild Wars 2 did do DEs with more grace.

Player Driven Story - Oh goddd this has been done by everyone.

Well, just about anything Guild Wars 2 does has been done, its just wrapped up and made to look pretty. It is no better then Blizzard after all ArenaNets management is all ex-Blizzard.

 

Do some research please, Blizzard had copyed game's workshop to start with (AKA Warhammer) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_Workshop(1975) Vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_Entertainment (1991)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_Fantasy_Battle (1983?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000 (1987?)

But really when it comes down to it Games workshop got there influance from Tolkin and prior writers.

 

If you dig deeper you would know that warcraft would NEVER exist if game's workshop and blizzard didn't ever team up to make a video game to begin with. Just do some research, you might find a lot. :)

Did anything I said lead you to believe I did not already know this?

I know Blizzard benefited from other companies work.

That is my point that Blizzard is no more a copy cat then any other game company, a good idea is a good idea.

 

 

Does it make you feel smart to say "Do research" when the research you told me to do had nothing to do with the topic in which I was talking about? If it was related it was obscure.

 

But as far as I can see I did not say "BLIZZARD COPIED NO ONE ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LIAR AND A NITT WITT." No what I said is Blizzard is no more guilty of coping then ArenaNet/Riot/Bioware/etc/etc. I do defend WoW but I defend it on factual evidence of the game, I have no plans to deny WoW has copied endless amounts of mechanics but if you can blame one without seeing the others then they are blind and ignorant and all I wanted to do was educate them on the fact, that everyone does it.

I apologize, I should have stated my statment wasn't to you; It was to everyone else that had commented about things which they know nothing about. So please calm down i was in more of an agreement with you and adding what iknow to the collective pool to help other people learnabout something before opening there fatmouths.

Originally posted by Myrdynn

Originally posted by Kinkykel

Originally posted by InFlamestwo

Originally posted by Myrdynn

what I get from this 

ANet announced they are gonna do something

Blizzard said good idea

ANet years later still working on it allegedly

Blizzard has the system in place.

Everything in the MMO universe is copied from something.  Im not a huge Blizzard fan, but I will say they still have the best combat engine (response time is instant) , and are the best at implementing and perfecting ideas

Guild Wars 2 has does absolutely NOTHING innovative, not 1 thing

 

 

ArenaNet have innovated alot more with GW1 and GW2 than Blizzard have ever done with WoW. WoW's good innovations was dungeon finder and talent trees.

Name 2 things Arena Net have innovated in their games that hasn't already been done in the genre. I'll sit here and wait while you rummage around.

 

still waiting, fwiw Asheron's Call 2 did talent trees

Asheron's call 2, Greatest MMO ever :D

Originally posted by Lionexx

Originally posted by Serenes

Originally posted by Lionexx

Originally posted by Serenes

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

So Blizzard copied C&C with Warcraft1/2/3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Fixed that for you. (with a lie)

C&C release 1995

Warcraft release 1994

Explain how they copied C&C? Using telepathic powers? crystal ball?   :)

Please refrain from spreading lies.

Yeahk, I should have just credited Westwood and not C&C in particular.  Blizz did totally rip off the Westwood.  Please at least be honest about Blizz and the fact they rarely innovate and most every single one of their design moves is reactionary to what other games are doing.

You are correct sir. They are known to rip off idea and they rarely innovate.

But for some reason people think Blizzard ripped off Anet, because it make them feel better I guess. When in actuality a more plausible assumption is they ripped off LoL. The same people Anet are ripping off as well. 

They are reacting to GW, LoL, and DoTA.  GW1 was a wildly successful esport and GW2 I think is very popular and Blizz wants to keep players focused on what they offer.

Yes because Blizzard does not already have control one of the biggest if not the biggest Esport game. GW1 was mildly successful at best.

 

The fact of the matter is Blizzard made a map editor with SC and WC3 that did not come with most good RTS of the time, not even speaking of the stolen models names and item mechnics, that DOTA and AoS benefited from. Do you truly believe it would have been as easy to make DOTA without Blizzard?

 

 

I don't like alot of the things that Blizzard has done lately, but they did not steal anything from ArenaNet. Lets talk about game mechanics that Anet is stealing.

 

Siege PvP - Countless Games.

Dynamic Events - Funny how this happened after rift, strickly speaking Trion did say it first, and sense you wanted to say Blizzard copied this Idea from them then, well there you go. Guild Wars 2 did do DEs with more grace.

Player Driven Story - Oh goddd this has been done by everyone.

Well, just about anything Guild Wars 2 does has been done, its just wrapped up and made to look pretty. It is no better then Blizzard after all ArenaNets management is all ex-Blizzard.

 

Do some research please, Blizzard had copyed game's workshop to start with (AKA Warhammer) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_Workshop(1975) Vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_Entertainment (1991)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_Fantasy_Battle (1983?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000 (1987?)

But really when it comes down to it Games workshop got there influance from Tolkin and prior writers.

 

If you dig deeper you would know that warcraft would NEVER exist if game's workshop and blizzard didn't ever team up to make a video game to begin with. Just do some research, you might find a lot. :)

Did anything I said lead you to believe I did not already know this?

I know Blizzard benefited from other companies work.

That is my point that Blizzard is no more a copy cat then any other game company, a good idea is a good idea.

 

 

Does it make you feel smart to say "Do research" when the research you told me to do had nothing to do with the topic in which I was talking about? If it was related it was obscure.

 

But as far as I can see I did not say "BLIZZARD COPIED NO ONE ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS A LIAR AND A NITT WITT." No what I said is Blizzard is no more guilty of coping then ArenaNet/Riot/Bioware/etc/etc. I do defend WoW but I defend it on factual evidence of the game, I have no plans to deny WoW has copied endless amounts of mechanics but if you can blame one without seeing the others then they are blind and ignorant and all I wanted to do was educate them on the fact, that everyone does it.

 

I apologize, I should have stated my statment wasn't to you; It was to everyone else that had commented about things which they know nothing about. So please calm down i was in more of an agreement with you and adding what iknow to the collective pool to help other people learnabout something before opening there fatmouths.

Oh then I appolgize.

Originally posted by Sovren1

Just to let everyone know who doesn't know, Guild Wars 2 did in fact release a moba style map during the Halloween event to test the waters. It was called Reapers Rumble. Google it.

Anyhow, does it matter what mechanic makes into w/e game or who copied who? Be pleased that developers are making content for gamers to mess around in. It ain't that serious. Play what you like.

I hope WoW last another 10yrs. I hope GW2 last 10yrs.

If WoW brings in this game mode, maybe it'll hit thier next MMO out the door. More content means more satisfied gamers, which is all I really care about.

To be fair Blizzard showed the concept of the MOBA BG when they announced MoP during 2011.

Originally posted by Leviathonlx

Originally posted by Sovren1

Just to let everyone know who doesn't know, Guild Wars 2 did in fact release a moba style map during the Halloween event to test the waters. It was called Reapers Rumble. Google it.

Anyhow, does it matter what mechanic makes into w/e game or who copied who? Be pleased that developers are making content for gamers to mess around in. It ain't that serious. Play what you like.

I hope WoW last another 10yrs. I hope GW2 last 10yrs.

If WoW brings in this game mode, maybe it'll hit thier next MMO out the door. More content means more satisfied gamers, which is all I really care about.

 

To be fair Blizzard showed the concept of the MOBA BG when they announced MoP during 2011.

TO be fair, This map was created long before MoP and was in the works as a new BG for wotlk or cata can't remember, I think cata, It was going to be a new type of CTF(Read what i said, NEW type of CTF, Not CTF but a NEW type of it) but they dumped the idea until now when they oh this map if reworked a little bit could do something else" which it did..

like sort of a battleground?

I dunno how you can merge MOBA into a MMO but i think it would be interesting :P

Originally posted by expresso

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

 

So Blizzard copied C&C with Warcraft1/2/3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Fixed that for you.

It's not like Blizz isn't in the copy / paste business which I think was the point.  Even if not, Blizz does a ton of copy / paste.  This is most certainly in direct response to the popularity of GW2 and the mobas.  If they had really been interested in integrating it into the game just as an improvement then they could have done so long ago.  They didn't and the timing is telling.

Blizz deserves some criticism.  It doesn't seem like they have a focused design goal anymore.  They seem to be taking the SoE approach of "add it in, bolt it on, and see if it works".  The pokemon pet battles is one of the latest examples of this.  I'm sure they're fun and the moba system probably will be too, but let's be honest about what they're reaching for here and why.

 

cept C&C was relased a year after WC..... but anyway Blizzard are keeping up with trends - they might not be driving them but they sure do know what is hot and what is not and prompty provides their player base with what they want, thats good business no?

To correct you both, not sure if anyone has, Dune and Dune II is where blizzard got the influence for warcraft. As Dune II is essentially the game that actually kickstarted the RTS genre.

Originally posted by Konner920

Originally posted by expresso

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

 

So Blizzard copied C&C with Warcraft1/2/3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Fixed that for you.

It's not like Blizz isn't in the copy / paste business which I think was the point.  Even if not, Blizz does a ton of copy / paste.  This is most certainly in direct response to the popularity of GW2 and the mobas.  If they had really been interested in integrating it into the game just as an improvement then they could have done so long ago.  They didn't and the timing is telling.

Blizz deserves some criticism.  It doesn't seem like they have a focused design goal anymore.  They seem to be taking the SoE approach of "add it in, bolt it on, and see if it works".  The pokemon pet battles is one of the latest examples of this.  I'm sure they're fun and the moba system probably will be too, but let's be honest about what they're reaching for here and why.

 

cept C&C was relased a year after WC..... but anyway Blizzard are keeping up with trends - they might not be driving them but they sure do know what is hot and what is not and prompty provides their player base with what they want, thats good business no?

To correct you both, not sure if anyone has, Dune and Dune II is where blizzard got the influence for warcraft. As Dune II is essentially the game that actually kickstarted the RTS genre.

Eh warcraft was more influenced by warhammer than anything. Blizzard only used the momentum from westwood to push their own RTS games.

Originally posted by red_cruiser
I'd actually like to see a MOBA in a MMORPG; provided it's presented in a traditional format.

Except WoW's combat doesn't feel like a MOBA at all. GW2 combat feels like a MOBA however. If blizzard want a moba gamemode they need to fix the combat, because a moba would suck with normal mmorpg combat.

Originally posted by WabbaWay
MOBA? The already have MOBAs in the form of BGs, they're just adding a DOTA version to their roster of MOBAs.

The term MOBA started to be used when Dota was made. You can guess the rest.

For those that state ANET hasn't done MOBA PvP with GW2, take a look at the wiki. During the Halloween event they had a PvP minigame in the mad kings zones. So yes, GW2 has already implemented it, just a matter of time before its a permanent minigame.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reaper's_Rumble

"Reaper's Rumble is a structured PvP MOBA-style map located in the Mad King's Realm"