MMO's with real time combat... Hmm..

Darkfall

Mortal Online

Planetside 2

Fallen Earth

Face of Mankind

Global Agenda

Age of Conan(To some degree)

DDO (Action Combat)

DC Universe (Action Combat)

Guild Wars 2 (Action Combat)

Earthrise

MechWarrior Online

APB: Reloaded

The War Z

Defiance

Dust 514

Elder Scrolls Online

Not sure if I missed any or not.. I think I already forgot what this thread was about.. Something about how tab-targetting is more popular in the MMO-genre..

Tab targeting is an invention to deal with not enough bandwidth. I never liked it and is one of the reasons I quit most mmo'as that I quit. I always hoped for at least guild wars type combat if not full fps combat. I feel like you can't get any better at some point and lose interest with tab targeting combat.

I will always hate tab targeting. Dodgeing attacks gives you a chance when odds are against you and it is fun.

The next big thing will be mounts with fps & physics. like Defiance has.

Originally posted by Razeekster

No offence, but people really really need to get over the fact that not every MMO has action combat! Action combat is not a common feature in MMOs like players are trying to make it seem! There are only a couple games that even have it in the West! Tab targetting is mainly what you will find in most MMOs. Players see a couple games with a feature and start acting like it's ridiculous that this feature isn't in every MMO.

 

I'm not sure if it's because like many say, players act like they are entitled, or if they truly think that tab targeting is an outdated feature. I've talked to other players who say they actually prefer tab targeting. Action combat like TERA has caters to certain people and I don't think these people realize that not every player actually wants action combat in every MMO. I say this because every new game I see coming out without action combat I see players complaining about the lack of this feature.

 

I also don't think that players realize that a game engine has to be specifically built around action combat if they want to include it. It's not exactly an "easy" feature to add, and that money could be spent more wisely. Like creating new features that other MMOs don't have. That is why it makes me happy that there hasn't been a large uprising of action combat MMOs and it looks like 2013 will once again be the year of tab targeting. Something that personally makes me happy (I have nothing against action combat but I do not want every MMO to have it).

Originally posted by Fusion

Originally posted by Phaserlight
Except we did.  I was playing Vendetta Online in 2003 when literally *no-one* was doing the aim / twitch thing in MMORPGs.  Now it's all the rage, I guess.  It doesn't make a difference to me; different playstyles for different people, I guess.  I feel like I should be in one of those "I was playing aim-based combat before it was cool" memes.  Maybe someone will make one for me.

Sorry, Neocron @ 2002 was the first to mix FPS combat into MMORPG.

Ever since the late-great Neocron, i've found all tab-target MMO's to be boring at best, combat-wise.

Thanks; all I was really trying to say is that games were doing massive action-combat way back when so Neocron is a good example.   I need to be careful when using absolutes.  FYI, Vendetta could be considered class of 2002 also.^[1][2] It's hard to say who came first... VO might even have Neocron beat by a few months.

I remember reading about Neocron back in the day, guess I'll have to add it to things to keep an eye on.  I would have liked to have played it while it was on its first run.

right cause you know the future of the gaming industry ?? I think with time changes will come, not every game will be the same combat obviously, but tab targetting will become less common with time. 

but who knows , they will just keep making what sells, no matter how boring or short shelf likfe the game is.

Darkfall archery/combat = win

Tab-targetting is meh

Originally posted by Razeekster

No offence, but people really really need to get over the fact that not every MMO has action combat! Action combat is not a common feature in MMOs like players are trying to make it seem! There are only a couple games that even have it in the West! Tab targetting is mainly what you will find in most MMOs. Players see a couple games with a feature and start acting like it's ridiculous that this feature isn't in every MMO.

 

I'm not sure if it's because like many say, players act like they are entitled, or if they truly think that tab targeting is an outdated feature. I've talked to other players who say they actually prefer tab targeting. Action combat like TERA has caters to certain people and I don't think these people realize that not every player actually wants action combat in every MMO. I say this because every new game I see coming out without action combat I see players complaining about the lack of this feature.

 

I also don't think that players realize that a game engine has to be specifically built around action combat if they want to include it. It's not exactly an "easy" feature to add, and that money could be spent more wisely. Like creating new features that other MMOs don't have. That is why it makes me happy that there hasn't been a large uprising of action combat MMOs and it looks like 2013 will once again be the year of tab targeting. Something that personally makes me happy (I have nothing against action combat but I do not want every MMO to have it).

the people have spoken (you're TALKing about how they are speaking here).

if you don't think there's a shift away from traditional MMORPG features in 2013, you haven't been reading much about upcoming games.

I find tab targeting style games to be so much easier than aim your hits type game.  In PvE it's not a biggie, in PvP it where I see the big difference.  I am really bad at the aim type games, I just have trouble out playing people when I have to aim my hits.  I generally lose ...... to scrubs.

I can actually keep up with the young-uns in a tab targeting game.  Having said that, I will continue avoid tab targeting games.  I just don't care for them any more.  Darkfall has ruined me.  

Originally posted by Eyrothath

MMO's with real time combat... Hmm..

 

Darkfall  Not Released

Mortal Online A Total Mess (niche Game)

Planetside 2  an FPS this is real combat is a staple for this genre and neccassary

Fallen Earth Comabt is sooo slow .. not really real time in the populr sense

Face of Mankind  A Total Mess (niche game)

Global Agenda  A Total Mess (niche game)

Age of Conan(To some degree) from very to no degree at all  errrr no

DDO (Action Combat) messy combat (niche game)

DC Universe (Action Combat) Nicely Done here

Guild Wars 2 (Action Combat)  Anet answer for the Actiony Casual Xbox Generation

Earthrise Not Released

MechWarrior Online Not Released

APB: Reloaded A Total Mess p2w game

The War Z  A Total Mess

Defiance Not Released

Dust 514  Not Released

Elder Scrolls Online  Not Released

 

 

Not sure if I missed any or not.. I think I already forgot what this thread was about.. Something about how tab-targetting is more popular in the MMO-genre..

Not much of a list really , should we compile a list of Tab target .. bahh why bother

     and lets not overlook the fact that one single Tab Target game (WoW)  has more players than your entire list put together .... go figure

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Tab targetting is here to stay I'm sure, but at least that's not all we have to put up with now.  At least there are some choices for a more action-oriented combat.

I like a little blend of the two like we see in GW2 and TSW.  RaiderZ style is fun, but the controls aren't my favorite.  Totally static rng based combat feels stale and makes some of my games feel very similar in combat (rift, wow, lotro, eq2).  A mix of each is nice for me.

My favorite that I've seen so far is Guild Wars 2 because I think it balances it pretty good. It's not completely action combat and yet it's not completely tab target. 

Originally posted by Eyrothath

MMO's with real time combat... Hmm..

 

Darkfall

Mortal Online

Planetside 2

Fallen Earth

Face of Mankind

Global Agenda

Age of Conan(To some degree)

DDO (Action Combat)

DC Universe (Action Combat)

Guild Wars 2 (Action Combat)

Earthrise

MechWarrior Online

APB: Reloaded

The War Z

Defiance

Dust 514

Elder Scrolls Online

 

 

Not sure if I missed any or not.. I think I already forgot what this thread was about.. Something about how tab-targetting is more popular in the MMO-genre..

More like tab targetting isn't going anywhere anytime soon ^~^

Tab targeting / hotkey rotations is dated and boring.  There is no depth involved in that combat system, whether it's twitch, strategic, or tactical play.  That doesn't mean every MMO in the future has to have action combat systems, but anything besides tab targeting would be prefered at this point.  Look at games like Pirates 101 or Wakfu for example of combat systems that are not action oriented and different.

Seriously, why do people like tab targeting / hotkey rotation systems?  Because you can macro your game and play it while watching TV or doing something else?  Because it's so easy that anyone can learn it?  Because it doesn't involve any amount of skill or strategic thinking to use?  I'm really curious as to what the pros are of the system.

Tab target combat is ideal for mindless grinding.  Using Shaiya PVE grind as an example.

Autoattack key - Character picks a target, runs to target, starts auto attacking

Special attack keys - Character fires special attack and keeps on auto attacking

Loot key - Character loots corpse

1 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 2        [... repeat ...]

No mouse needed, and combat can easily be done while watching TV.

Originally posted by Magnum2103

Tab targeting / hotkey rotations is dated and boring.  There is no depth involved in that combat system, whether it's twitch, strategic, or tactical play.  That doesn't mean every MMO in the future has to have action combat systems, but anything besides tab targeting would be prefered at this point.  Look at games like Pirates 101 or Wakfu for example of combat systems that are not action oriented and different.

Seriously, why do people like tab targeting / hotkey rotation systems?  Because you can macro your game and play it while watching TV or doing something else?  Because it's so easy that anyone can learn it?  Because it doesn't involve any amount of skill or strategic thinking to use?  I'm really curious as to what the pros are of the system.

Because it's what people are used to. Action combat and other types of combat styles are fine but I wouldn't want tab targetting just to vanish.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Disagree planetside style combat is the future. The only reason for tab Target is we didnt have the tech or internet structure back then.

Ah thee uninformed: You obviously nerver heard oof The Chronicles Of Spellborn.

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Disagree planetside style combat is the future. The only reason for tab Target is we didnt have the tech or internet structure back then.

Ah thee uninformed: You obviously nerver heard oof The Chronicles Of Spellborn.

That was a good a game too... Why did it ever get shut down...