Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by cronius77

herp derp lets now say blizzard is copying guild wars 2 and Anet instead of giving credit to blizzard for actually adding something different to wow instead of more dailys and raids. I seriously feel sorry for blizzard with some people here , they can never win no matter what they do. If it adds variety to pvp let them do it , it doesnt hurt the game .

Seriously this was an article showing off leaked moba style pvp , nothing about copying or comparing it to guild wars 2 . I seriously wish comments like the ones higher up would get banned for trolling as thats all they are for is to hyjack and start a flame war.

Agreed.

The crusade of some GW fans against other games should stop...

lol... no crusade, this is just what Blizzard does. No one is faulting them for doing it anymore because 1) It's what they've become known for and 2) They tend to add a lot of polish to what they copy from other games so it generally comes out well. 

 

If it offends you to see people pointing out something that Blizzard copied then my advice is to stay out of WoW threads. It comes up often and from numerous games lol. 

I would not say something like this if it was just case of WoW.

Take a look at forums of other games, I dont see TERA, TSW, or SWTOR fans coming there bashing. It's always someone with GW signature. I will not generalize, obviously it's not all of its fans, but some of them are simply too hostile against other games, not just WoW or Blizz in general.

That's why I used term crusade. Sometimes I can ignore it, but sometimes they are just too annoying.

I dont mind people saying they copied someone. I dont say its not true. But have they really copied Arena Net in this case? Has Anet invented MOBA games?

What was their to take from TERA? The game flopped. 

TSW is niche and only works out because of the combination of mechanics and features on top of the new payment model. To take from it would require a real over haul of WoW for very little gain in population and would actually cost them a great deal of their existing player base. 

SWTOR lol... 

Did Anet come up with MOBA? No, but again they are the ones that have been working on incorporating it into their MMO which is the exact same thing that Blizzard is now doing. 

We aren't discussing Blizzard making an MOBA, we are discussing them adding an MOBA to their existing MMO after Anet announced they were working on doing the same. 

So... yes, they really copied. Does it matter? No, as long as they do the new edition to the game well it doesn't matter if it was copied or not. 

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by cronius77

herp derp lets now say blizzard is copying guild wars 2 and Anet instead of giving credit to blizzard for actually adding something different to wow instead of more dailys and raids. I seriously feel sorry for blizzard with some people here , they can never win no matter what they do. If it adds variety to pvp let them do it , it doesnt hurt the game .

Seriously this was an article showing off leaked moba style pvp , nothing about copying or comparing it to guild wars 2 . I seriously wish comments like the ones higher up would get banned for trolling as thats all they are for is to hyjack and start a flame war.

Agreed.

The crusade of some GW fans against other games should stop...

lol... no crusade, this is just what Blizzard does. No one is faulting them for doing it anymore because 1) It's what they've become known for and 2) They tend to add a lot of polish to what they copy from other games so it generally comes out well. 

 

If it offends you to see people pointing out something that Blizzard copied then my advice is to stay out of WoW threads. It comes up often and from numerous games lol. 

I would not say something like this if it was just case of WoW.

Take a look at forums of other games, I dont see TERA, TSW, or SWTOR fans coming there bashing. It's always someone with GW signature. I will not generalize, obviously it's not all of its fans, but some of them are simply too hostile against other games, not just WoW or Blizz in general.

That's why I used term crusade. Sometimes I can ignore it, but sometimes they are just too annoying.

I dont mind people saying they copied someone. I dont say its not true. But have they really copied Arena Net in this case? Has Anet invented MOBA games?

What was their to take from TERA? The game flopped. 

TSW is niche and only works out because of the combination of mechanics and features on top of the new payment model. To take from it would require a real over haul of WoW for very little gain in population and would actually cost them a great deal of their existing player base. 

SWTOR lol... 

 

Did Anet come up with MOBA? No, but again they are the ones that have been working on incorporating it into their MMO which is the exact same thing that Blizzard is now doing. 

We aren't discussing Blizzard making an MOBA, we are discussing them adding an MOBA to their existing MMO after Anet announced they were working on doing the same. 

 

So... yes, they really copied. Does it matter? No, as long as they do the new edition to the game well it doesn't matter if it was copied or not. 

So Blizzard creates Warcraft3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

Dont matter what they add game. u still get only 1 or if lucky 2 epic in week. so to get full epic geared char takes few month, what ofc means more monthly pays...

Dont matter how good or how much u play.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

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What was their to take from TERA? The game flopped. 

TSW is niche and only works out because of the combination of mechanics and features on top of the new payment model. To take from it would require a real over haul of WoW for very little gain in population and would actually cost them a great deal of their existing player base. 

SWTOR lol... 

 

Did Anet come up with MOBA? No, but again they are the ones that have been working on incorporating it into their MMO which is the exact same thing that Blizzard is now doing. 

We aren't discussing Blizzard making an MOBA, we are discussing them adding an MOBA to their existing MMO after Anet announced they were working on doing the same. 

 

So... yes, they really copied. Does it matter? No, as long as they do the new edition to the game well it doesn't matter if it was copied or not. 

Anet copied a mod for Warcraft 3, a Blizzard game. Got it.

I still see no proof anywhere that states when Blizzard started working on this for Wow. As much of a distaste I have for WoW, I can't willingly blind myself to the facts for the sake of groupthink.

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

 

So Blizzard creates Warcraft3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Originally posted by InFlamestwo

Originally posted by GeekieDave
If people are going to complain and say that they are trying to milk everything they can out of this game, You need to rethink about where World of Warcraft actually came from. Warcraft started as a MOBA game and was a huge hit. I personally look at this new feature to be a homeage to what they were like once and where they have made it to now!

MOBA started to attract players with DOTA, not Warcraft 3.

wasn't DoTA a mod for Warcraft 3?

Yet again Blizz damned if they do damned if they don't - add something new and get accused of copying x,y,z not add it and get accused of not careing about their player base.  

FYI Blizzard talked about adding MOBA style battlegrounds into WoW when they officaly announced the Mists expansions last year, blizzard has added a tonne of end game content in Mists beyond the usual Raiding and Battlegrounds but for some blizzard can never do enough.

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by cronius77

herp derp lets now say blizzard is copying guild wars 2 and Anet instead of giving credit to blizzard for actually adding something different to wow instead of more dailys and raids. I seriously feel sorry for blizzard with some people here , they can never win no matter what they do. If it adds variety to pvp let them do it , it doesnt hurt the game .

Seriously this was an article showing off leaked moba style pvp , nothing about copying or comparing it to guild wars 2 . I seriously wish comments like the ones higher up would get banned for trolling as thats all they are for is to hyjack and start a flame war.

Agreed.

The crusade of some GW fans against other games should stop...

lol... no crusade, this is just what Blizzard does. No one is faulting them for doing it anymore because 1) It's what they've become known for and 2) They tend to add a lot of polish to what they copy from other games so it generally comes out well. 

 

If it offends you to see people pointing out something that Blizzard copied then my advice is to stay out of WoW threads. It comes up often and from numerous games lol. 

I would not say something like this if it was just case of WoW.

Take a look at forums of other games, I dont see TERA, TSW, or SWTOR fans coming there bashing. It's always someone with GW signature. I will not generalize, obviously it's not all of its fans, but some of them are simply too hostile against other games, not just WoW or Blizz in general.

That's why I used term crusade. Sometimes I can ignore it, but sometimes they are just too annoying.

I dont mind people saying they copied someone. I dont say its not true. But have they really copied Arena Net in this case? Has Anet invented MOBA games?

What was their to take from TERA? The game flopped. 

TSW is niche and only works out because of the combination of mechanics and features on top of the new payment model. To take from it would require a real over haul of WoW for very little gain in population and would actually cost them a great deal of their existing player base. 

SWTOR lol... 

 

Did Anet come up with MOBA? No, but again they are the ones that have been working on incorporating it into their MMO which is the exact same thing that Blizzard is now doing. 

We aren't discussing Blizzard making an MOBA, we are discussing them adding an MOBA to their existing MMO after Anet announced they were working on doing the same. 

 

So... yes, they really copied. Does it matter? No, as long as they do the new edition to the game well it doesn't matter if it was copied or not. 

So Blizzard creates Warcraft3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

A couple of points ... 

You mean to say AoS spawned DOTA, neither mod was made by Blizzard

Blizzard nor any other developer has implemented a MOBA style system in an existing full fledged MMO

Anet announced they were doing this

Blizzard then followed suit

Which of the above is not true? 

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

 

So Blizzard copied C&C with Warcraft1/2/3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Fixed that for you.

It's not like Blizz isn't in the copy / paste business which I think was the point.  Even if not, Blizz does a ton of copy / paste.  This is most certainly in direct response to the popularity of GW2 and the mobas.  If they had really been interested in integrating it into the game just as an improvement then they could have done so long ago.  They didn't and the timing is telling.

Blizz deserves some criticism.  It doesn't seem like they have a focused design goal anymore.  They seem to be taking the SoE approach of "add it in, bolt it on, and see if it works".  The pokemon pet battles is one of the latest examples of this.  I'm sure they're fun and the moba system probably will be too, but let's be honest about what they're reaching for here and why.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

 

So Blizzard copied C&C with Warcraft1/2/3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Fixed that for you.

It's not like Blizz isn't in the copy / paste business which I think was the point.  Even if not, Blizz does a ton of copy / paste.  This is most certainly in direct response to the popularity of GW2 and the mobas.  If they had really been interested in integrating it into the game just as an improvement then they could have done so long ago.  They didn't and the timing is telling.

Blizz deserves some criticism.  It doesn't seem like they have a focused design goal anymore.  They seem to be taking the SoE approach of "add it in, bolt it on, and see if it works".  The pokemon pet battles is one of the latest examples of this.  I'm sure they're fun and the moba system probably will be too, but let's be honest about what they're reaching for here and why.

 

cept C&C was relased a year after WC..... but anyway Blizzard are keeping up with trends - they might not be driving them but they sure do know what is hot and what is not and prompty provides their player base with what they want, thats good business no?

Originally posted by InFlamestwo

Originally posted by ichihaifu

Originally posted by GeekieDave
If people are going to complain and say that they are trying to milk everything they can out of this game, You need to rethink about where World of Warcraft actually came from. Warcraft started as a MOBA game and was a huge hit. I personally look at this new feature to be a homeage to what they were like once and where they have made it to now!

Warcraft was not a MOBA game lol. Term MOBA was created for the mod called Defence of the Ancients map that was created for Warcraft 3.

 

Originally posted by InFlamestwo
Blizzard is doing everything ArenaNet is doing. Doesn't surprise me at all.

This has nothing to do with ArenaNet dude, dont bring them to this topic.

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Honestly I just want from the bottom of my heart for WoW to just die off already. Its existence itself is destroying many other games that come out that try to imitate it, not that its a good thing itself, but they only try to imitate WoW because its what it is, a giant of a game that has the attention of practically everyone of this world. If it didnt exist, we would have other innovative games. Thankfully we're slowly breaking out of copy-the-wow world of gaming we're so used to seeing.

Dont get me wrong here, I loved the game for 6 long years, but now its just boring to me as I've already seen everything wow itself has to offer, but it hasnt really presented us anything new during the past couple of years. That is why I feel like it HAS to retire, so that Blizzard could make something new and maybe even better than WoW itself was.

 

It has. ArenaNet brought up a MOBA gamemode to PvP a long time ago, now WoW want to try to get into e-sport aswell. Milking that cow for years now and still doing it. Icefrog should put a stop to Blizzard.

Wow is already an e-sport and has been since before LoL made an apperance and GW2 got denied because it didnt have a diverse enough PVP system.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

 

So Blizzard copied C&C with Warcraft1/2/3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Fixed that for you.

It's not like Blizz isn't in the copy / paste business which I think was the point.  Even if not, Blizz does a ton of copy / paste.  This is most certainly in direct response to the popularity of GW2 and the mobas.  If they had really been interested in integrating it into the game just as an improvement then they could have done so long ago.  They didn't and the timing is telling.

Blizz deserves some criticism.  It doesn't seem like they have a focused design goal anymore.  They seem to be taking the SoE approach of "add it in, bolt it on, and see if it works".  The pokemon pet battles is one of the latest examples of this.  I'm sure they're fun and the moba system probably will be too, but let's be honest about what they're reaching for here and why.

 

Reaching for? Are you serious?  What is any game reaching for...grow the playerbase, or at the least maintain the current numbers.

If it's a sub P2P there's more focus on the sub numbers, with some cash shop fluff

It it's F2P,  numbers and milking the cash shop.

Originally posted by expresso

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

 

So Blizzard copied C&C with Warcraft1/2/3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Fixed that for you.

It's not like Blizz isn't in the copy / paste business which I think was the point.  Even if not, Blizz does a ton of copy / paste.  This is most certainly in direct response to the popularity of GW2 and the mobas.  If they had really been interested in integrating it into the game just as an improvement then they could have done so long ago.  They didn't and the timing is telling.

Blizz deserves some criticism.  It doesn't seem like they have a focused design goal anymore.  They seem to be taking the SoE approach of "add it in, bolt it on, and see if it works".  The pokemon pet battles is one of the latest examples of this.  I'm sure they're fun and the moba system probably will be too, but let's be honest about what they're reaching for here and why.

cept C&C was relased a year after WC..... but anyway Blizzard are keeping up with trends - they might not be driving them but they sure do know what is hot and what is not and prompty provides their player base with what they want, thats good business no?

Yeah, I should have just said Westwood because they sort of defined sim/rts in video games at the time.  C&C was a less cool Dune II and Warcraft wasn't really as good as either one of them.  Still you're right, if that's what wow players want then Blizz should deliver.

Originally posted by muffins89

Originally posted by InFlamestwo

Originally posted by GeekieDave
If people are going to complain and say that they are trying to milk everything they can out of this game, You need to rethink about where World of Warcraft actually came from. Warcraft started as a MOBA game and was a huge hit. I personally look at this new feature to be a homeage to what they were like once and where they have made it to now!

MOBA started to attract players with DOTA, not Warcraft 3.

wasn't DoTA a mod for Warcraft 3?

It's a mod. Icefrog created Dota and he's not a part of Blizzard.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

 

So Blizzard copied C&C with Warcraft1/2/3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Fixed that for you. (with a lie)

C&C release 1995

Warcraft release 1994

Explain how they copied C&C? Using telepathic powers? crystal ball?   :)

Please refrain from spreading lies.

Originally posted by darkrain21

Originally posted by InFlamestwo

Originally posted by ichihaifu

Originally posted by GeekieDave
If people are going to complain and say that they are trying to milk everything they can out of this game, You need to rethink about where World of Warcraft actually came from. Warcraft started as a MOBA game and was a huge hit. I personally look at this new feature to be a homeage to what they were like once and where they have made it to now!

Warcraft was not a MOBA game lol. Term MOBA was created for the mod called Defence of the Ancients map that was created for Warcraft 3.

 

Originally posted by InFlamestwo
Blizzard is doing everything ArenaNet is doing. Doesn't surprise me at all.

This has nothing to do with ArenaNet dude, dont bring them to this topic.

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Honestly I just want from the bottom of my heart for WoW to just die off already. Its existence itself is destroying many other games that come out that try to imitate it, not that its a good thing itself, but they only try to imitate WoW because its what it is, a giant of a game that has the attention of practically everyone of this world. If it didnt exist, we would have other innovative games. Thankfully we're slowly breaking out of copy-the-wow world of gaming we're so used to seeing.

Dont get me wrong here, I loved the game for 6 long years, but now its just boring to me as I've already seen everything wow itself has to offer, but it hasnt really presented us anything new during the past couple of years. That is why I feel like it HAS to retire, so that Blizzard could make something new and maybe even better than WoW itself was.

 

It has. ArenaNet brought up a MOBA gamemode to PvP a long time ago, now WoW want to try to get into e-sport aswell. Milking that cow for years now and still doing it. Icefrog should put a stop to Blizzard.

Wow is already an e-sport and has been since before LoL made an apperance and GW2 got denied because it didnt have a diverse enough PVP system.

WoW is not in e-sport, not even close. GW2 will go into e-sport soon, GW1 was in e-sport.

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

So Blizzard copied C&C with Warcraft1/2/3, Which spawned DOTA, which was copied by Anet, and now fans of Anet are claiming Blizzard is copying them??? Pot-Kettle-Black

lol bingo. They don't see the irony in it. It's hilarious.

Fixed that for you. (with a lie)

C&C release 1995

Warcraft release 1994

Explain how they copied C&C? Using telepathic powers? crystal ball?   :)

Please refrain from spreading lies.

Yeahk, I should have just credited Westwood and not C&C in particular.  Blizz did totally rip off the Westwood.  Please at least be honest about Blizz and the fact they rarely innovate and most every single one of their design moves is reactionary to what other games are doing.

Originally posted by InFlamestwo

WoW is not in e-sport, not even close. GW2 will go into e-sport soon, GW1 was in e-sport.

Areana junkies begs to differ.

Don't encourage people to play WoW, Blizzard is not a good game developer anymore. They were when they made Starcraft and Warcraft, now they are immature and rush out half assed content to milk the cow. WoW isn't moving the genre forward in any way.

Titan however is a different story, might become good, except we don't know a thing about the game, so it could be total shit.