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  SBFord

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OP  1/02/13 10:36:14 AM#1

2012 is nearly over and it's always fun to take a look back at the games that we spent lots of hours enjoying. We'll be spending this week talking about the games that we, the staff of MMORPG.com, caught our attention in the year that was. As ever, join the conversation in the comments. Garrett weighs in with his choices on this third day of 2013. Read on!

This list is always fun to do. 2012 to me is not so much about individual games but a trend in games. It was the year of Kickstarter, but in more ways it was the year that fans and players told developers the games they wanted to see made and how they would make them. This trend has begun and I don’t think it is going away. More than ever we are seeing games made that we want and more independent MMOs coming to life. With that said, here are my games for 2012. 

Read more of Garrett Fuller's Garrett's Best of 2012.

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  Scarfe

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1/03/13 10:11:40 AM#2
Agree with most of that, but think you forgot to take the rose-tinted spectacles off for GW2.  I am not saying its bad, I am just saying that your praise bears little relation to the game I played. 

currently playing: DDO, AOC, WoT, P101

  botrytis

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1/03/13 10:18:05 AM#3
Originally posted by Scarfe
Agree with most of that, but think you forgot to take the rose-tinted spectacles off for GW2.  I am not saying its bad, I am just saying that your praise bears little relation to the game I played. 

His opinion - yours is different is all. Can you agree to disagree about GW2?

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  adam_nox

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1/03/13 10:19:51 AM#4
Every game on all the lists so far have been just bad games or non-mmos.  I feel like devs aren't even trying anymore.  huttball, really?  Give me failhammer online over that any day of the week.  I seem to be in the minority anymore, but 5 years ago no one would have put up with the crap that's being shoveled out now.  I guess a lot of the old playerbase has just moved on with their lives.  Hopefully TESO or AA can salvage 2013.
  Scarfe

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1/03/13 10:25:03 AM#5
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Scarfe
Agree with most of that, but think you forgot to take the rose-tinted spectacles off for GW2.  I am not saying its bad, I am just saying that your praise bears little relation to the game I played. 

His opinion - yours is different is all. Can you agree to disagree about GW2?

Yes and no.  I would like to see a little more objectivity from a headline article; as we had for each of the other games in his list.   

currently playing: DDO, AOC, WoT, P101

  Axxar

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"See how I reward those who fail me!"

1/03/13 10:48:28 AM#6
Who is considering World of Tanks a hybrid MMO? It's not an MMO... of any kind. Cool game, though.
 
 

Currently playing: Divinity: Original Sin, FTL, Hearthstone and Skyrim.
Eagerly anticipating: Camelot Unchained, Elite: Dangerous, Legend of Grimrock 2 and Star Citizen.

  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

1/03/13 10:52:05 AM#7
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Scarfe
Agree with most of that, but think you forgot to take the rose-tinted spectacles off for GW2.  I am not saying its bad, I am just saying that your praise bears little relation to the game I played. 

His opinion - yours is different is all. Can you agree to disagree about GW2?

Yes and no.  I would like to see a little more objectivity from a headline article; as we had for each of the other games in his list.   

It is a completely subjective matter you know. A PERSONAL top list....


  MikeB

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1/03/13 10:57:16 AM#8
Originally posted by adam_nox
Every game on all the lists so far have been just bad games or non-mmos.  I feel like devs aren't even trying anymore.  huttball, really?  Give me failhammer online over that any day of the week.  I seem to be in the minority anymore, but 5 years ago no one would have put up with the crap that's being shoveled out now.  I guess a lot of the old playerbase has just moved on with their lives.  Hopefully TESO or AA can salvage 2013.

So here's my question to you:

What's YOUR list for 2012? :)

Michael "MikeB" Bitton
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  Scarfe

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1/03/13 11:05:12 AM#9
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Scarfe
Agree with most of that, but think you forgot to take the rose-tinted spectacles off for GW2.  I am not saying its bad, I am just saying that your praise bears little relation to the game I played. 

His opinion - yours is different is all. Can you agree to disagree about GW2?

Yes and no.  I would like to see a little more objectivity from a headline article; as we had for each of the other games in his list.   

It is a completely subjective matter you know. A PERSONAL top list....

I am aware, but I give more credence to an opinion that does not come over as blinkered. 

currently playing: DDO, AOC, WoT, P101

  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

1/03/13 11:09:41 AM#10
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Scarfe
Agree with most of that, but think you forgot to take the rose-tinted spectacles off for GW2.  I am not saying its bad, I am just saying that your praise bears little relation to the game I played. 

His opinion - yours is different is all. Can you agree to disagree about GW2?

Yes and no.  I would like to see a little more objectivity from a headline article; as we had for each of the other games in his list.   

It is a completely subjective matter you know. A PERSONAL top list....

I am aware, but I give more credence to an opinion that does not come over as blinkered. 

I think you mean an opinion that differs to much from yours.


  Scarfe

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1/03/13 11:14:55 AM#11
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Scarfe
Agree with most of that, but think you forgot to take the rose-tinted spectacles off for GW2.  I am not saying its bad, I am just saying that your praise bears little relation to the game I played. 

His opinion - yours is different is all. Can you agree to disagree about GW2?

Yes and no.  I would like to see a little more objectivity from a headline article; as we had for each of the other games in his list.   

It is a completely subjective matter you know. A PERSONAL top list....

I am aware, but I give more credence to an opinion that does not come over as blinkered. 

I think you mean an opinion that differs to much from yours.

Right back at you. 

currently playing: DDO, AOC, WoT, P101

  botrytis

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1/03/13 11:18:44 AM#12
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Scarfe
Agree with most of that, but think you forgot to take the rose-tinted spectacles off for GW2.  I am not saying its bad, I am just saying that your praise bears little relation to the game I played. 

His opinion - yours is different is all. Can you agree to disagree about GW2?

Yes and no.  I would like to see a little more objectivity from a headline article; as we had for each of the other games in his list.   

It is a completely subjective matter you know. A PERSONAL top list....

I am aware, but I give more credence to an opinion that does not come over as blinkered. 

How does one know that? An opinion is just that - an opinion. Now I understand you dsilike the game but it was his list.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  Scarfe

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1/03/13 11:27:23 AM#13
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Scarfe
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Scarfe
Agree with most of that, but think you forgot to take the rose-tinted spectacles off for GW2.  I am not saying its bad, I am just saying that your praise bears little relation to the game I played. 

His opinion - yours is different is all. Can you agree to disagree about GW2?

Yes and no.  I would like to see a little more objectivity from a headline article; as we had for each of the other games in his list.   

It is a completely subjective matter you know. A PERSONAL top list....

I am aware, but I give more credence to an opinion that does not come over as blinkered. 

How does one know that? An opinion is just that - an opinion. Now I understand you dsilike the game but it was his list.

This is hijacking the thread in a manner I had not intended, however, almost every review and article you read is an opinion, it does not mean we cannot hold them up to scrutiny.  By the by, I enjoyed the game for two months or so.   

currently playing: DDO, AOC, WoT, P101

  Telondariel

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1/03/13 11:40:52 AM#14

GW2, Pirates 101 and SWTOR as your top 3?

 

You just completely discredited yourself, bud.  There is a thing called objective criticism, and it seems that your rose-colored glasses inhibit your use of it.  Is it that the writers on this site are afraid to give honest opinions?  That they fear to scare away the funding these companies hand out to gaming sites to ensure favorable praise and adulations?

 

 

  erictlewis

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1/03/13 12:43:50 PM#15


Originally posted by MikeB

Originally posted by adam_nox Every game on all the lists so far have been just bad games or non-mmos.  I feel like devs aren't even trying anymore.  huttball, really?  Give me failhammer online over that any day of the week.  I seem to be in the minority anymore, but 5 years ago no one would have put up with the crap that's being shoveled out now.  I guess a lot of the old playerbase has just moved on with their lives.  Hopefully TESO or AA can salvage 2013.
So here's my question to you:

What's YOUR list for 2012? :)


OK let us start with the following

(1) Everquest II It has been around for 8 years, and is still going. It has a good number of servers, more than SWTOR. We don't have the bleed off of many of the new games that we had this year.

(2) TSW i kept my attention for 3 months.

(3) DCUO I don't play that much any more but it is better than any of the games on the list.

(4) Fallen Earth same thing I only play 1 to 2 times a week, I played in beta, and despite they had a rocky go of it they are still around, despite having done many things wrong that chased of a good number of folks.

As far was the other games that are games of the year, what they all lacked was depth. With the exception of Pirate 101, it has a lot of interesting things if your my 12 year old but for folks like me, it was one of those that made you go huh.

  Ozmodan

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1/03/13 1:14:29 PM#16

Well Garrett, much of what you say is true.  World of Tanks is a big hit, but if you've taken the time to try out World of Warplanes you would know that game is as bad as WOT is good.  Don't know about World of Warships just yet, I have not tried it.

"Star Wars was the game that launched in a subscription-free era" I do not agree with that statement at all.  Just because SWTOR could not sustain a subscription base, does not mean another game could not.  SWTOR launched with a lot of fluff, but when you get down to it very little content.  It is an excellent example of a badly written MMO.  Pretty on the outside and empty inside.  Why anyone thought the game was worthy of a subscription funding method is beyond me.

All SWTOR tells us, is that don't waste a lot of resources on fluff.  It was evident from the beginning that Bioware lacked the experience to actually design a MMO, the game plays like their single player games. 

There is plenty of room in the marketplace for a good subscription game that pushes game play over fluff.  Most of these f2p games have little game play beyond endless grinding.  Give me a good subscription game any day.

  Kuppa

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1/03/13 1:18:39 PM#17
Originally posted by Telondariel

GW2, Pirates 101 and SWTOR as your top 3?

 

You just completely discredited yourself, bud.  There is a thing called objective criticism, and it seems that your rose-colored glasses inhibit your use of it.  Is it that the writers on this site are afraid to give honest opinions?  That they fear to scare away the funding these companies hand out to gaming sites to ensure favorable praise and adulations?

 

 

This must be a record. Two rose-colored(tinted) references in one thread!


  Axxar

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"See how I reward those who fail me!"

1/03/13 1:59:47 PM#18
Maybe it's just me, but if people like SWTOR, Guild Wars 2 or Pirate 101... well, that's OK by me. My list wouldn't have those games, but to each their own.

Currently playing: Divinity: Original Sin, FTL, Hearthstone and Skyrim.
Eagerly anticipating: Camelot Unchained, Elite: Dangerous, Legend of Grimrock 2 and Star Citizen.

  Dawnstar

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1/03/13 4:29:54 PM#19

I guess if someone likes a game that another dislikes, they must have rose-tinted glasses...

 

  Kuppa

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1/03/13 4:31:19 PM#20
Originally posted by Dawnstar

I guess if someone likes a game that another dislikes, they must have rose-tinted glasses...

 

I think you are right.


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