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  Derros

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OP  1/02/13 9:18:49 PM#1

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/15uwja/fyi_mass_bans_were_handed_out_today_for_those_who/?sort=confidence

 

Aparantly you could use snowflakes and mithril to get exotic trinkets and you could break them down for ectos (rare crafting component used in every high level recipe) and get the snowflake back too.  Anet, I guess, didnt want people doing it so much so they are banning people.  It was patched out of the game a few days after it went live, a couple of weeks ago.

  KingJiggly

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1/02/13 9:22:12 PM#2
I think we have all seen Anet's stance on Exploiting long ago. Nothing new, I am not suprised, they deserved blah blah.

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  eyelolled

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1/02/13 9:33:12 PM#3
in before  "I really loved GW2 but they need to fix these exploits before they end up in the game" or "the player was just doing something within the game" or "GW2 is a lie" or "The current management team needs to be fired, so they can hire someone that will do a better job" 

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  Lissyl

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1/02/13 9:45:43 PM#4

WoW player here.

 

I think Anet did the right thing.  I have no sympathy for exploiters whatsoever.  I wish WoW would take a page from Anet's book on this (I mean c'mon, we all know they take pages from every other company!).

  Purutzil

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1/02/13 9:47:53 PM#5

Should be banned, least a temporary ban and what they had done rolled back. As far as the roll back, up to them if its all what it earned taken back or just a full character roll back for it if they so chose to. 

 

Either way, both Anet and the players both play a part in it. Anet needs to better test and consider things while players knowingly are exploiting systems not suppose to be in play should get penalized for doing so. I don't feel it should be a 'permanent' ban due to ANet not testing fully for stuff, but it should at the very minimum roll back what they earned from the exploit and give some length of ban time.

  Br3akingDawn

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1/02/13 11:03:31 PM#6
I am not one of the exploiters or ever was temp banned whatsoever but really, you release some event with exploitable bugs and glitches and start perma banning people because they found ways to do stuff because you as a company release some crappy coded events or patch and start blaming the faults on the players?? Maybe you should really test your crap Anet before you release them. Or maybe you should watch whats going on in-game more often and patch it up before it gets out of hand.

  Derros

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OP  1/03/13 4:14:58 AM#7

Unfortunately, most of my guild's active players got banned >_<.  I have alot less people to play with now.

 

  I also mailed some, not unexpensive, crafting materials to one of those guild members to make something for me, right before I read about their ban.  Of course Anet cant give me those mats back either, they dont give support any tools.

 

http://i.imgur.com/0SICA.jpg

 

pic of someone asking an Anet employee about the exploit, basically couldnt conform or deny that it was an exploit.

  EvilGeek

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1/03/13 4:22:03 AM#8

If you can salvage an item and get more back from it than you put in it should have raised alarm bells, did for me when I heard about it. I do think perma ban was harsh though considering there have been much worse exploits earlier in the game that went unpunished.


  Gaia_Hunter

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1/03/13 4:40:47 AM#9

Anet announced their stance on this early on.

If people choose to ignore it, it is their problem.

 

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  QSatu

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1/03/13 4:42:00 AM#10
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Anet announced their stance on this early on.

If people choose to ignore it, it is their problem.

 

qft. It's always amusing how greed makes people so stupid.

  Isawa

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1/03/13 4:50:59 AM#11

Didn't know about this, didn't make any of them. If I make them now and break them down do I just get mithril and/or snowflakes from a rare then?

Edit:

  • Brilliant Snowflake – 1 Mithril Filigree, 1 Glob of Ectoplasm, 1 Pristine Snowflake
  • Snowflake Mithril Ring – 3 Brilliant Snowflake, 1 Mithril Band, 1 Mithril Setting
  • Snowflake Mithril Earring – 3 Brilliant Snowflake, 1 Mithril Hook, 1 Mithril Setting
  • Snowflake Mithril Amulet – 3 Brilliant Snowflake, 1 Mithril Chain, 1 Mithril Setting
Guess they take a few ectos to make now...
  Scalpless

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1/03/13 4:58:42 AM#12

The problem is that buying/crafting rares and salvaging them for ectos has been a viable way of making money for a long time. Of course, some people got lots of money from this, but after the price of snowflakes rose this was hardly an exploit. This wasn't as obvious an exploit as buying thousands of 35K Karma weapons for 35 Karma each.

Then again, I don't know what the "wrost offenders" were like and how many were actually banned. Personally, I think temp bans would've been a better solution.

  Gaia_Hunter

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1/03/13 5:46:44 AM#13
Originally posted by Scalpless

The problem is that buying/crafting rares and salvaging them for ectos has been a viable way of making money for a long time. Of course, some people got lots of money from this, but after the price of snowflakes rose this was hardly an exploit. This wasn't as obvious an exploit as buying thousands of 35K Karma weapons for 35 Karma each.

Then again, I don't know what the "wrost offenders" were like and how many were actually banned. Personally, I think temp bans would've been a better solution.

No, buying from TP and crafting isn't the same thing.

When you craft you are creating a new item and ectos - crafting is generally more expensive than the salvage.

Buying from the TP to salvage doesn't create any new items- the item and the ecto potential was already in game and was rewarded as a drop.

 

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  Scalpless

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1/03/13 6:25:55 AM#14
No, what I mean is that some time ago people crafted lvl 80 rares and salvaged them for ectos. It was a bit cheaper than buying ectos from the TP, but I'm not sure what the economy is like right now. You don't need ectos to craft rare weapons and armor, so it's always been a viable and sometimes even profitable way to get ectos.
  Gaia_Hunter

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1/03/13 6:31:28 AM#15
Originally posted by Scalpless
No, what I mean is that some time ago people crafted lvl 80 rares and salvaged them for ectos. It was a bit cheaper than buying ectos from the TP, but I'm not sure what the economy is like right now. You don't need ectos to craft rare weapons and armor, so it's always been a viable and sometimes even profitable way to get ectos.

The problem is:

You grabbed 1 ecto, add some other materials and got back 3 ectos.

 

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  Fusion

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1/03/13 6:32:38 AM#16
Originally posted by QSatu
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Anet announced their stance on this early on.

If people choose to ignore it, it is their problem.

 

qft. It's always amusing how greed makes people so stupid.

It's just human nature.

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  jpaprocki

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1/03/13 6:34:39 AM#17
You can bet that if GW2 were a sub-based game those poeple would not have had a perma-ban placed on them.  Anet got their money so no skin off thier back.  I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

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1/03/13 6:35:32 AM#18

This whole issue only shows how incompetent ArenaNet staff is.

They released the event items and recipes with poor testing and then slammed the players who discovered an in-game mechanic that allowed them to get something valuable easily.

Banning these players only demonstrates how lazy is ArenaNet staff and how badly managed this game is now.

This issue is not an exploit. It is just a badly designed system.

Punishing players because of their GW2 design flaws is really a trademark of ArenaNet present Management Team.

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  Volkon

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1/03/13 6:37:55 AM#19
Mixed feelings on this due to not enough information. Did everyone that did it get banned, or were people targetted that obviously abused the hell out of it? If someone did it once or twice and got perma-banned I think I'd be a bit uneasy about that, but someone that did it for a hundred ectos or whatever... well, at least a lengthy ban and a cleansing of the account. I'm not a fan of permas but understand the need for them on occassion. Hacking, blatant exploiting, even persistant trolling/ griefing... ok.

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  AIMonster

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1/03/13 6:45:50 AM#20
Originally posted by KingJiggly
I think we have all seen Anet's stance on Exploiting long ago. Nothing new, I am not suprised, they deserved blah blah.

We have?  Like the people making repeat Dusks and Dawns using very little karma, selling them, then controlling the market with the ridiculous amount of currency they now have?  Those people were never banned and have had a massive effect on the price of precursors (particularly these precursors) since the beginning and continue to make massive profits having more gold than any other players in game right now.

They did however warn accounts taking advantage of the cooking karma exploit, which wasn't even that profitable for the time taken nor did it have a really dramatic effect on the economy.  I'm not sure if anyone was banned for it, and because of their lack of in game logging tools and ability to revert accounts the gold made from profit off this exploit still exists in game, though Anet gave them a firm warning to remove it from their accounts.

Or people repeating exploiting in dungeons and fractals and receiving no said bans?  It's almost impossible to run a PUG group of high level Fractals without seeing at least 4 or 5 MAJOR exploits being used, even if you clearly state to the group you don't want to exploit it's considered acceptable to the community because Anet hasn't taken a stance on it.  Nobody got banned for skipping massive amounts of content in Arah paths either, or running CoF and CM exploits.

I love the game, but Anet has been completely incompetent and inconsistent on how they've been handling exploits and bans.

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