Originally posted by cheyane
Men are willing to pay a sub at a site to watch adult movies ( think my husband is addicted to porn) and you are questioning paying for games . People are willing to pay for things they enjoy and wives who discover have to keep quiet or get accused for snooping but hey do not judge alright so I think this discussion is nuts considering what they are willing to cough up for their entertainment.

You husband pays for porn? There is so much free porn out there. And luckily my wife don't mind me watching when she is not "available" :P (She got first dips of me .. of course .. hehehhe).

Originally posted by jpnz

I pay $10 for a cup of coffee every morning. Should I complain that it is too expensive cause a cup of coffee in other places are cheaper?

 If you give a rats behind...yes.

The very idea that a consumer does not have a voice or should not use it is truly amazing...right out of the pre-freedom of speech 1700s before men told their lords they had enough of power being in the hands of the few.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by ste2000
"Free" to Play games are too expensive, I can only afford subscription based MMOs

You are not playing them "correctly". F2P never costs me a cent.

What's the correct way?

Leaving for another game when the people subsidizing your gaming leaves?

Or leaving for a new game when you reach the point when you have to buy stacks of health potions to continue playing any further?

It's funny how the loudest supporters never paid a cent towards these games, yet the average player is said to have spent $28 per month (except you of course).

I'd rather have subs to 2 games for that and access to everything.

But, don't focus on that. Just explain the "correct" way. I really want to know.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Why does this surprise people so much?  How many threads and posts have we had from the pro subscription people who said they will pay $20, $30, $50 or even $100 a month to get what they want.  Now you have that opportunity.

None of my subscription optional or sub-free games cost that much per month.  I pay less than I did with subscription and get more.  I have more gaming options than ever before.  Of all the games I play (GW2, TSW, STO, EQ2, GW1, and LotRO among a few others) only EQ2 has a sub option that approaches that cost and that is if you buy Station Pass which provides access to all their online games.

If you don't like it and think the company is gouging then don't pay and don't play.  I support the games I like and don't those that I don't.  It's pretty simple.

It's because unlike you Torvaldr people lack control over their spending when a game goes ftp. Sub based games are still one of the cheapest forms of entertainment and it is peanuts a day. When a game goes ftp people generally end up spending way more then $15 a month then quickly blame it on that payment model. When in reality it's usually just stuff you don't need to play the game but somehow have to have.  Brainwashed are gamers that believe ftp or ptp games are inferior or failed sub games. A game that launches sub based then goes ftp with a cash shop later makes money hand over fist. Loyal gamers usually stay subbed   "premium account"  and end up using the cash shop. Is this bad? no,  choices are always good. FYI folks, pay to win cash shop games are so few and far it's not even worth mentioning so get over it.

Originally posted by cheyane
Men are willing to pay a sub at a site to watch adult movies ( think my husband is addicted to porn) and you are questioning paying for games . People are willing to pay for things they enjoy and wives who discover have to keep quiet or get accused for snooping but hey do not judge alright so I think this discussion is nuts considering what they are willing to cough up for their entertainment.

You need to slap your husband upside his head if he is paying for porn.

There is so much out there for free it isn't funny.

...or so the interwebz told me >_>

Originally posted by cheyane
Men are willing to pay a sub at a site to watch adult movies ( think my husband is addicted to porn) and you are questioning paying for games . People are willing to pay for things they enjoy and wives who discover have to keep quiet or get accused for snooping but hey do not judge alright so I think this discussion is nuts considering what they are willing to cough up for their entertainment.

as somewhat of an expert in the field, I can tell you that amateur kind is the best. You can replace his porn at a fraction of the cost. if you need some tips on how to get started, send me some uncut versions of your early work and i can provide some direction. No charge.

DAMN I LOVE THE INTERNET.e

edit: nothing U18 pls. I don't feel like showering with Big Bubba this year.

Originally posted by Sogi-Ya

I'm seeing F2P game after F2P game price gouge the fuck out of "premium services" and "boosters," sometimes for double or tripple the cost of what it would take for a monthly subscription to a P2P game .... when did this becoime ok to do?

 

I guess this is the victory lap F2P beating P2P or something: now that F2P has is clearly winning the battle VS P2P it dosen't have to keep competitive on comparable subscriptions pricing.

 

[mod edit]: the whole reason F2P took off was because it was more accessible and affordable than P2P, shit gets too bad people will just shift back in the other direction ... espacally if going B2P works out for TSW and western P2P holdouts realise that there are other options to stay competitive.

Its priced at what the market is willing to accept, if people want to pay $200 a month, let them. It's ok. 

Originally posted by Sogi-Ya

 

[mod edit]: the whole reason F2P took off was because it was more accessible and affordable than P2P, shit gets too bad people will just shift back in the other direction ... espacally if going B2P works out for TSW and western P2P holdouts realise that there are other options to stay competitive.

No.  Game companies went to F2P because they make more money from cash shops than they did from monthly subs. 

Originally posted by cheyane
Men are willing to pay a sub at a site to watch adult movies ( think my husband is addicted to porn) and you are questioning paying for games . People are willing to pay for things they enjoy and wives who discover have to keep quiet or get accused for snooping but hey do not judge alright so I think this discussion is nuts considering what they are willing to cough up for their entertainment.

Which has always been my point. These games are just one aspect of entertainment.  They are a hobby to me. I have no problem with spending money on my hobbies.  I suspect that many of the problems we are looking at are differences in definitions.  It wouldn't be the first time that sloppy definitions have caused problems.

F2P is simply one possible business model.  This entire operation is about making a profit, off of ones investment of time/talent and money.  Way too many people forget an OLD saying; "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch".  (TANSTAAFL).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain't_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch

Its interesting that you mention your above. Both are selling intangibles, but make billions per year any way.

Originally posted by angus858

Originally posted by Sogi-Ya

 

[mod edit]: the whole reason F2P took off was because it was more accessible and affordable than P2P, shit gets too bad people will just shift back in the other direction ... espacally if going B2P works out for TSW and western P2P holdouts realise that there are other options to stay competitive.

No.  Game companies went to F2P because they make more money from cash shops than they did from monthly subs. 

 

Some do, some don't.  It depends on the culture, and the basic assumptions and perceptions involved.  F2P is insanely profitable over in some Asian countries.  Of course, when other business types over here see that, they want a piece of that sweet pie.

This is all about making the best Return On Investment, thats possible after all.  But some have gone about it the wrong way, and thus alienated some of the current market.  Its long been known that marketing is about managing peoples perceptions and expectations. Some do a better job of that, than others.  With consequences for the over all market sector.

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by ste2000
"Free" to Play games are too expensive, I can only afford subscription based MMOs

You are not playing them "correctly". F2P never costs me a cent.

What's the correct way?

Leaving for another game when the people subsidizing your gaming leaves?

Or leaving for a new game when you reach the point when you have to buy stacks of health potions to continue playing any further?

It's funny how the loudest supporters never paid a cent towards these games, yet the average player is said to have spent $28 per month (except you of course).

I'd rather have subs to 2 games for that and access to everything.

But, don't focus on that. Just explain the "correct" way. I really want to know.

You just state it .. when the game stops being fun (either no one else is paying, or run out of free content) .. leave for another game. It is not like there is a shortage of F2P games.

In fact, it is the opposite. I have been enjoying STO .. i have hardly scratched the surface of free content. I have only up to L10, with two ships, and still on the first season of missions. It will be at least months (assuming i play more instead of on and off) before i get thorugh with this game. And there are many many more. So yeah .... F2P will never cost me a cent.

And btw, research shows a MAJORITY of players don't pay a cent in MMOs. The link is posted in this and other thread.

And so .. yeah .. i am one of the majority who enjoy F2P games for free.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by ste2000
"Free" to Play games are too expensive, I can only afford subscription based MMOs

You are not playing them "correctly". F2P never costs me a cent.

What's the correct way?

Leaving for another game when the people subsidizing your gaming leaves?

Or leaving for a new game when you reach the point when you have to buy stacks of health potions to continue playing any further?

It's funny how the loudest supporters never paid a cent towards these games, yet the average player is said to have spent $28 per month (except you of course).

I'd rather have subs to 2 games for that and access to everything.

But, don't focus on that. Just explain the "correct" way. I really want to know.

You just state it .. when the game stops being fun (either no one else is paying, or run out of free content) .. leave for another game. It is not like there is a shortage of F2P games.

In fact, it is the opposite. I have been enjoying STO .. i have hardly scratched the surface of free content. I have only up to L10, with two ships, and still on the first season of missions. It will be at least months (assuming i play more instead of on and off) before i get thorugh with this game. And there are many many more. So yeah .... F2P will never cost me a cent.

And btw, research shows a MAJORITY of players don't pay a cent in MMOs. The link is posted in this and other thread.

And so .. yeah .. i am one of the majority who enjoy F2P games for free.

That's your claim to glory? Being a second-class nomad? This F2P trend is going places.

That's pretty sad.

It's like MMO welfare and I'm a competitive gamer paying increasing cash shop prices to subsidize your existence.

there have always been free to play games like this. this is the reason most pro-subscription people are pro-subscription (that and free to play games usually having even worse communities than standard mmo communities).

Its actually gotten better in recent years, there are more and more reasonable free to play games out there now. I used to be adamantly anti-f2p but for this reason im more open to checking them out now, still not found any worth playing long term, but ive not played any of the old subscription-gone-f2p games since theyve gone f2p

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by ste2000
"Free" to Play games are too expensive, I can only afford subscription based MMOs

You are not playing them "correctly". F2P never costs me a cent.

What's the correct way?

Leaving for another game when the people subsidizing your gaming leaves?

Or leaving for a new game when you reach the point when you have to buy stacks of health potions to continue playing any further?

It's funny how the loudest supporters never paid a cent towards these games, yet the average player is said to have spent $28 per month (except you of course).

I'd rather have subs to 2 games for that and access to everything.

But, don't focus on that. Just explain the "correct" way. I really want to know.

You just state it .. when the game stops being fun (either no one else is paying, or run out of free content) .. leave for another game. It is not like there is a shortage of F2P games.

In fact, it is the opposite. I have been enjoying STO .. i have hardly scratched the surface of free content. I have only up to L10, with two ships, and still on the first season of missions. It will be at least months (assuming i play more instead of on and off) before i get thorugh with this game. And there are many many more. So yeah .... F2P will never cost me a cent.

And btw, research shows a MAJORITY of players don't pay a cent in MMOs. The link is posted in this and other thread.

And so .. yeah .. i am one of the majority who enjoy F2P games for free.

That's your claim to glory? Being a second-class nomad? This F2P trend is going places.

That's pretty sad.

It's like MMO welfare and I'm a competitive gamer paying increasing cash shop prices to subsidize your existence.

 

"claim to glory"? We are talking about digital entertainment here. What is sad is people think that you have to pay through the roof to have fun.

And yes, please keep paying into cash shop to subsidize my fun. I have zero problem with that. And btw, i don't know about you .. but there is no winning in PvE. Case in point .. i play some STO .. and i am enjoying myself with paying NOTHING. If you play STO, are you going to get starship envy and have to spend money just because the next guy has a cooler looking ship ...  if that is you .. please play my game .. you certainly *will* subsidize me.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by NorseGod

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by ste2000

"claim to glory"? We are talking about digital entertainment here. What is sad is people think that you have to pay through the roof to have fun.

And yes, please keep paying into cash shop to subsidize my fun. I have zero problem with that. And btw, i don't know about you .. but there is no winning in PvE. Case in point .. i play some STO .. and i am enjoying myself with paying NOTHING. If you play STO, are you going to get starship envy and have to spend money just because the next guy has a cooler looking ship ...  if that is you .. please play my game .. you certainly *will* subsidize me.

No thanks. Good luck to you though, hey "forward", right?