Originally posted by Kanester

Great vid mate. looking forward to most of them games. There was one I've never heard of, made me go OMG, Black Deserts. Looks amazing, Will have to do some research on it very soon.

2013 Year or the sandbox. :)

That should be a chinese calendar year indeed!

Originally posted by madazz

Just curious, but do you guys ever have doubts in games like Black Desert and ArchAge due to where they are made? I know I do. Very large doubts. I actually can't think of one game from Korea that I really loved. Usually its a pretty cool system and what not but for some reason I feel like the games are hollow. Now don't get me wrong, I'll probably keep an eye on these games (thanks for pointing out Black Desert), but my expectations are very very low.

Either way, thanks for the vid man!

In some ways yes.

I always expect grinding, goldfarms and anime faces when I hear a game is made in asia.

But Let's hope these prove that wrong :)

Was poking around the internet and found this

http://sandboxer.org/

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by Obzzarver

Hey Guys,

I just did a video showing a taste of 14 Sandbox MMO's that is comming out in 2013 and later, tought for those of you that are sandbox fans this could be usefull :)

Let me know what you think :)

http://youtu.be/QHO2EMo5NZE

ArcheAge is a hybrid MMO it's themepark and some features you would find in a sandbox.

On top of that you left out Age Of Wushu.

We won't see ArcheAge in the west until 2014 at earliest  the first version outside Asia will be Russia.

Hm, I gota admit I never really paied close attention to Wushu, so I was not aware it was a sandbox. Thanks for the feedback, I've allready gotten enough info's from this thread and the comments, to half fill another video on the same subject :) Keep em comming.

Good video  - thank you!

Generally it seems like that most of those sandbox games are "hobby projects" - not really enough funding for AAA game - which is shame. Something needs to be done in MMO genre to push it forward - and I think that sandboxes are most natural way to evolve. But with limted budgets there seems to be very high risks that most of those games are either being unplayable (lot's of bugs, poor user interface, poor graphics) or unfun (bad game mechanisms or game world). I would except that most of those game are going to be failures - totally forgotten after couple years. And from that industry beancounters make logical decision that sandbox games are poor investment. 

Hopefully - my favorite - Repopulation survives (really tired to fantasy games).

Originally posted by Obzzarver

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by Obzzarver

Hey Guys,

I just did a video showing a taste of 14 Sandbox MMO's that is comming out in 2013 and later, tought for those of you that are sandbox fans this could be usefull :)

Let me know what you think :)

http://youtu.be/QHO2EMo5NZE

ArcheAge is a hybrid MMO it's themepark and some features you would find in a sandbox.

On top of that you left out Age Of Wushu.

We won't see ArcheAge in the west until 2014 at earliest  the first version outside Asia will be Russia.

Hm, I gota admit I never really paied close attention to Wushu, so I was not aware it was a sandbox. Thanks for the feedback, I've allready gotten enough info's from this thread and the comments, to half fill another video on the same subject :) Keep em comming.

Thats because Age of Wushu isnt a sandbox and wasnt ever advertised as such before shipping here. It a generic Chinese style fantasy/historical themed MMORPG with mostly traditional MMORPG elements as they are very common in Chinese and many other Asian MMORPGs. There are many people listing features as sandbox features, throwing words at you without explaining them and calling AoW a sandbox, that have nothing neccessarily to do with sandbox, are not features at all but simple objectvies/tasks and are just a really big stretch from reality.

If you decide to take a look at it I recommend to read up how the following stuff really works, not just what you expect. I emphasize this because it was far below any of my expectations. Some technical reviews, videos or just playing it for real. I empasize to look up especially the (lack of) consequences, lasting effects, and limitations most of them have.

guildfortifications/housing,  playerstalls/vendor npcs, crimerate andbeheading, policing/patroling, spying and kidnapping, territorial control (static) farming, crafting and foodsystem.

I dont want to push my opinion on you so i tried to highlight some of the most popular "features" being constantly pointed at. I recomend to look them up before accepting and reciting them as features of a sandbox or relevant features at all. It wont take long as nothing is really deep or complex by traditional sandbox standards.

At beginning for me it was kind like "well okay doesnt irk me, next feature" but when it went on with almost any point of these "sandbox feature" lists flowing around about Age of Wushu I kinda felt like there is a conspiracy going on to mock me because almost nothing that is highlighted is actually in any way special, sandboxy or even just interesting.

Originally posted by xAPOCx

Was poking around the internet and found this

 

http://sandboxer.org/

A yes, Ive been following that site for some time, but it is unfortunately not very active. Good old reserach has so far tended to be much faster/better in order to find these games :)

Originally posted by Resetgun

Good video  - thank you!

Generally it seems like that most of those sandbox games are "hobby projects" - not really enough funding for AAA game - which is shame. Something needs to be done in MMO genre to push it forward - and I think that sandboxes are most natural way to evolve. But with limted budgets there seems to be very high risks that most of those games are either being unplayable (lot's of bugs, poor user interface, poor graphics) or unfun (bad game mechanisms or game world). I would except that most of those game are going to be failures - totally forgotten after couple years. And from that industry beancounters make logical decision that sandbox games are poor investment. 

Hopefully - my favorite - Repopulation survives (really tired to fantasy games).

Thank you :)

I understand what you mean, as they are indeed mostly low budget indie games. But I'm stil happy about the way things are evolving right nowm because not more then a year ago there wasn't even low budget, there was no budget.

Subbed - because you said you'll cover the games as they release.

Looking forward to it.

Originally posted by PieRad

Subbed - because you said you'll cover the games as they release.

 

Looking forward to it.

Thanks, and yes I am :)

I've got access secured for many of them simply from kickstarter backing or press contacts. Working on access to the rest. Looking forwards to it as well :)

Originally posted by Theocritus
     i'm always a little skeptical of sandbox games because while there are no supposed limits to what yo ucan do, usually there ends up being nothing to do other than kill each other and take their stuff.....Also while so many hate the level system, the skill system is basically the same thing in a different skin.....

A good sandbox is in pretty much by definition absolutely nothing to do. ..that someone has made for you to do that is.

A good sandbox is a powerfull toolset that inspires players to create endless amounts of entertainment for themselves.

Unfortunately we rarely see a good sandbox, so I share your concern, but remain hopeful :)

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

Originally posted by Obzzarver

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by Obzzarver

Hey Guys,

I just did a video showing a taste of 14 Sandbox MMO's that is comming out in 2013 and later, tought for those of you that are sandbox fans this could be usefull :)

Let me know what you think :)

http://youtu.be/QHO2EMo5NZE

ArcheAge is a hybrid MMO it's themepark and some features you would find in a sandbox.

On top of that you left out Age Of Wushu.

We won't see ArcheAge in the west until 2014 at earliest  the first version outside Asia will be Russia.

Hm, I gota admit I never really paied close attention to Wushu, so I was not aware it was a sandbox. Thanks for the feedback, I've allready gotten enough info's from this thread and the comments, to half fill another video on the same subject :) Keep em comming.

Thats because Age of Wushu isnt a sandbox and wasnt ever advertised as such before shipping here. It a generic Chinese style fantasy/historical themed MMORPG with mostly traditional MMORPG elements as they are very common in Chinese and many other Asian MMORPGs. There are many people listing features as sandbox features, throwing words at you without explaining them and calling AoW a sandbox, that have nothing neccessarily to do with sandbox, are not features at all but simple objectvies/tasks and are just a really big stretch from reality.

If you decide to take a look at it I recommend to read up how the following stuff really works, not just what you expect. I emphasize this because it was far below any of my expectations. Some technical reviews, videos or just playing it for real. I empasize to look up especially the (lack of) consequences, lasting effects, and limitations most of them have.

guildfortifications/housing,  playerstalls/vendor npcs, crimerate andbeheading, policing/patroling, spying and kidnapping, territorial control (static) farming, crafting and foodsystem.

I dont want to push my opinion on you so i tried to highlight some of the most popular "features" being constantly pointed at. I recomend to look them up before accepting and reciting them as features of a sandbox or relevant features at all. It wont take long as nothing is really deep or complex by traditional sandbox standards.

At beginning for me it was kind like "well okay doesnt irk me, next feature" but when it went on with almost any point of these "sandbox feature" lists flowing around about Age of Wushu I kinda felt like there is a conspiracy going on to mock me because almost nothing that is highlighted is actually in any way special, sandboxy or even just interesting.

So this whole thing is really about your disapointed by Age of Wushu? :D

I mean I can understand how, it's just you came off as if though you found it nearly insulting that wushu had not made it into the video.

Originally posted by madazz

Just curious, but do you guys ever have doubts in games like Black Desert and ArchAge due to where they are made? I know I do. Very large doubts. I actually can't think of one game from Korea that I really loved. Usually its a pretty cool system and what not but for some reason I feel like the games are hollow. Now don't get me wrong, I'll probably keep an eye on these games (thanks for pointing out Black Desert), but my expectations are very very low.

Either way, thanks for the vid man!

I always have doubts when it comes to MMORPGs, but not because of their country of origin. My favorite MMORPG of all time is Mabinogi which is created by Devcat, a Korean developer. It has more depth and longevity than any of the modern MMORPGs I've played in recent years. That and the fact that it's unique. There's no other game in the genre quite like it. A lot of terrible games come out of Asia, but the same can be said for the western world. I mean, we've had derivative themepark after derivative themepark, so why don't you curse western development?

This just in: The genre has been flooded by subpar, unimaginative games for years. It isn't exclusive to Asia, North America, Jupiter, etc. It's now 2013, and developers/publishers have finally realized that they can't just pump out their WoW-with-a-slight-twist and expect it to be successful.

Originally posted by Obzzarver
Been a while since I kept up with everquest tbh, but last I checked it wasnt by any standard a sandbox? :)

~35% sandbox and ~65% themepark which is more sandbox than most MMORPGs these days. ;)

Originally posted by madazz

Just curious, but do you guys ever have doubts in games like Black Desert and ArchAge due to where they are made? I know I do. Very large doubts. I actually can't think of one game from Korea that I really loved. Usually its a pretty cool system and what not but for some reason I feel like the games are hollow. Now don't get me wrong, I'll probably keep an eye on these games (thanks for pointing out Black Desert), but my expectations are very very low.

Either way, thanks for the vid man!

In 2013 maybe the south koreans learned how to make sandbox games or at least games that are not so boring and tedious as their old games. ;)