Originally posted by Desparo
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Originally posted by Desparo

You forgot to mention some important things.

Like how CCP is on such a witch hunt for isk sellers that innocent people buying stuff in EVE are having there accounts fined isk for unknowningly dealing with an isk seller. (CCP's excuse being "you should be more careful who you buy from")

Or how everyday people lose hundreds or thousands of dollars in ships not just to PVP but also to bugs in the game and CCP's only answer is "Our logs show nothing" - Every EVE play more then 6 motns old knows those famous last words.

Or how about the fact CCP customer service has no accountability. Your cancel of a successful resolution to a petition sometimes depends on what GM answers it.

Or even better that CCP has no ethics. I filed a petition about skill training and qouted a forum posting from a CCP developer that justified my case. Only to find that the next day the forum posting was quietly changed without acknowledging the original mistake. CCP has done this on many occasions blaming everyone else but themselves. Anyone who played the game a few years might remember who players used to be able to train a skill while there account was offline and then CCP changed the rules saying these people were effectively stealing from CCP. DESPITE the fact that this was part of there game was 6 years old and advertised as a feature. CCP blamed it on an outside company who supposedly wrote the manual.

Best might be how they introduced a micro sales store where the cost of a virtual T-Shirt cost more then a real T-Shirt from CCP. After what seemed like an admission of a lie from ccp and a very condescending letter from the CEO, the fallout resulted in a loss of almost 10% of there subscribers.

There are certainly fanboys in the game who will support the company to there grave but the reality is CCP isn't blizzard. They have 3% of the subscriber base that WoW has. They can't afford to lose a single subscriber yet they lose them in droves to very poor communication and customer service

hmm you sound like a botter who got burned, they fined my account isk too and I petintioned it and it got resolved. Never had anything but decent custumer service from them.

they are not losing anywhere near there custumoers in droves its still slowly increasing. there is no huge negative trend.

also who are you to tell me that I cant buy a shirt for $70 if I want it. It has no in game signifacance so affects the game in no way what so ever yet that bothers you. Take a course in supply in demmand eventually the price will come down and if it doesnt it means they priced it right.

Originally posted by tordurbar

You forgot to mention one critical point - EVE is pvp-centric. More specifically you can be attacked by other players anywhere. For an admitted care bear like me that is a game breaker. Yes, I do think that Eve deserves this score - it is a fantastic game. I enjoyed it for over 45 days. But after being ganked in 0.9 space twice I gave up. Yup I could not cut it. On to the next mmo.

wow thats sad, you quit after 45days and getting ganked twice. By the way, only the stupid and careless get ganked in 0.9 space. 

Originally posted by Desparo

You forgot to mention some important things.

Like how CCP is on such a witch hunt for isk sellers that innocent people buying stuff in EVE are having there accounts fined isk for unknowningly dealing with an isk seller. (CCP's excuse being "you should be more careful who you buy from")

Or how everyday people lose hundreds or thousands of dollars in ships not just to PVP but also to bugs in the game and CCP's only answer is "Our logs show nothing" - Every EVE play more then 6 motns old knows those famous last words.

Or how about the fact CCP customer service has no accountability. Your cancel of a successful resolution to a petition sometimes depends on what GM answers it.

Or even better that CCP has no ethics. I filed a petition about skill training and qouted a forum posting from a CCP developer that justified my case. Only to find that the next day the forum posting was quietly changed without acknowledging the original mistake. CCP has done this on many occasions blaming everyone else but themselves. Anyone who played the game a few years might remember who players used to be able to train a skill while there account was offline and then CCP changed the rules saying these people were effectively stealing from CCP. DESPITE the fact that this was part of there game was 6 years old and advertised as a feature. CCP blamed it on an outside company who supposedly wrote the manual.

Best might be how they introduced a micro sales store where the cost of a virtual T-Shirt cost more then a real T-Shirt from CCP. After what seemed like an admission of a lie from ccp and a very condescending letter from the CEO, the fallout resulted in a loss of almost 10% of there subscribers.

There are certainly fanboys in the game who will support the company to there grave but the reality is CCP isn't blizzard. They have 3% of the subscriber base that WoW has. They can't afford to lose a single subscriber yet they lose them in droves to very poor communication and customer service

So what happened? Your credit card jumped out of your wallet on its own, entered the order into your PC and bought you a Vindicator for a Christmas present?

Wait, no, you did that yourself. You cheated, you got caught, you were punished. You weren't "innocent", you were guilty. You didn't "unknowingly" deal with an ISK seller, you knew full well you were dealing with an ISK seller.

If you're time poor and cash rich, you could have got yourself some ISK by buying PLEX from CCP and selling them the players. That way your ISK is legitimate and you support the game for other legitimate players. Instead, you decided to save yourself a few bucks by buying stolen game assets... and now you're complaining that you've received exactly the same treatment that the police give to people who "innocently" buy stolen goods.

I suggest learning to take some responsibility for your own actions, and maybe even developing the self respect required to play a game without cheating.

Originally posted by Calfis

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by Yalexy

If they would only revamp the 0.0 mechanics to break up with the too static powerblobs :/

 

It's pretty funny to note that most of those powerblocs have broken up since that post was made. Only the CFC remains intact - all the others are dead or failing.

Hey now Malcanis, we are doing alright as well. We don't need a sea of blue to maintain strategic partnerships ;)

And now your powerbloc is gone also.

0.0 is "static" on a timescale of days. On a timescale of months, it's seething with activity.

Originally posted by tom_gore
What about the galactic "east"? Is it still held by the Russians?

http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

not really. there's heavy conflict in east and south and since RAZOR invaded IRC, in NE also. and there's tensions in west too.

the 'powerblobs' are temporary greed and grandeour kills them again and again.

I dont even know where to begin or how to respond to such an   insane re review !    The biggest problem I had  with eve is the  high sec ganking . I have been playing eve for the past 6 months and have been ganked numerous times  while mining .    Mining is about ALL u can do when you're new to eve so be prepared to get feasted  upon by any 1 who feels like fucking with you.  

Is it all doom and gloom , no . But unless u get in  with a reasonable sized corp (guild) and always stay with  corps mates  , you're going to get ganked sooner or later no matter what your doing , no matter where your doing it .   

Eve isnt fun for the casual player , its a fucking nightmare .   If you dont know what line of work u wanna pursue  right away , you can  waste  days training the wrong skills .   and it takes months to fully train skills to the max to make them  fully useful .

I could go on and on about why I think eve sucks and  why u shouldnt play it , just remember  its my opiion and  if u want to devlelop your own  opinion , try eve , u'll understand why it sux .

PS   instead of  having people who love  a game reviewing it , how about you talk to players  in game that have been playing for about  a year  or so and  have them  tell people why they should  play eve .   how about  you talk to players OUTSIDE your  cirlce of eve buddies and  see how eve is treating them . 

Originally posted by namelyX

Mining is about ALL u can do when you're new to eve  

Stopped reading there. You are clueless. Mining isn't even the best thing to make ISK, much less the only thing you can do when you're new.

Originally posted by namelyX

I dont even know where to begin or how to respond to such an   insane re review !    The biggest problem I had  with eve is the  high sec ganking . I have been playing eve for the past 6 months and have been ganked numerous times  while mining .    Mining is about ALL u can do when you're new to eve so be prepared to get feasted  upon by any 1 who feels like fucking with you.  

Is it all doom and gloom , no . But unless u get in  with a reasonable sized corp (guild) and always stay with  corps mates  , you're going to get ganked sooner or later no matter what your doing , no matter where your doing it .   

Eve isnt fun for the casual player , its a fucking nightmare .   If you dont know what line of work u wanna pursue  right away , you can  waste  days training the wrong skills .   and it takes months to fully train skills to the max to make them  fully useful .

I could go on and on about why I think eve sucks and  why u shouldnt play it , just remember  its my opiion and  if u want to devlelop your own  opinion , try eve , u'll understand why it sux .

 PS   instead of  having people who love  a game reviewing it , how about you talk to players  in game that have been playing for about  a year  or so and  have them  tell people why they should  play eve .   how about  you talk to players OUTSIDE your  cirlce of eve buddies and  see how eve is treating them . 

Unless you are afk while playing, getting ganked in high sec is rare.  If you are really concerned about that while mining, they made some of the mining barges gank proof this summer.

If mining bores you, run some missions, no one will bother you in them unless you head to less protected areas like low-sec or 00.

Eve - Online beats any mmo out there on the market.

Sov - Politics - War - Betrayel - Spying
its all in the game and no other mmo doesnt even come close to this depth of gameplay.
Sure the gameplay itself can get kinda boring but the meta game is not matched by any other mmo ever released.

I realy hope Archeage can bring the same dpeth of metagaming in the fantasy genre like Eve does.
Its sad that sincxe 2003 only CCP has brought this kind of high level qaulity to the market.

Well deserved and i realy hope they continue to walk the road of fame for many years to come.

Eve = Real :)

I agree with this rating whole heartedly with this review!  EvE Online is a deeply rich MMO that forces a player to be involved with its world and other players.  Unlike most other MMOs (including WoW - by the way, Ghostcrawler your dev team sucks for what you did to fire mages) where all you do is collect your armor and figure out a rotation, EvE online lets you know that when you fail, you fail and I think thats what some players have a problem with.  It's not a nerf bat/carebear-fest.  There is a learning curve to this game and thats why there are dedicated fans of this game.  It is a challenge that does not get watered down over time like some raid boss fights in certain other MMOs.

EvE is not all PvP.  I have been playing for close to three years and other than security PVE quests,  I have very few PvP engagements and in my entire time in the game, I have lost a total of around 35 ships. Most of them where due to AFK mining and I learned where are the good places to mine and how to look out for a ganker.  In other words, I learned how to cope and met the challenge.  Yes, my toon is an industrial type who can salvage, mine, scan down sites, build ships and equipment and its very rewarding when he gets paid out the !@#$  for it.

Now for those who are interested in trying out EvE Online, I would suggest that you research by checking out the Youtube vidoes by searching for EvE University.  EvE University is a player run, in-game corp whose sole purpose is to train new pilots on how to survive.  There are tons of vides made by others that also offer up tidbits on  career paths on this game.

I haven't played eve in over a year. And I quit because of robot mining, and other cheats players would do to make it screwy.

I was a long time player in the beginnnings, but things got stupid. It is unforgiving in mistakes, and work to reward ratio just isn't there. Team play is difficult, and they have made it more complicated as time allowed.

CSS forgot that KISS is an important aspect to gaming. Making things hard, and complicated doesn't help a game, but can really make it unattractive. I personally don't play games to work at it, but play for the fun. EVE stopped being fun.

It's too bad what they did to it, I really liked it for a while, and even in the beggining it was complex.

I played EVE almost every day from 2005 to 2010, and honestly they changed the game mechanics so many times that it simply stopped being fun right around 2008.

In my opinion, the game peaked in 2007 and has been catering to the window lickers ever since.

In 2005 EVE was actually a hardcore game.  People who have started playing it recently all say "Wow, EVE is such a hard game", but it doesn't even come close to how difficult the game used to be, and honestly, I liked it better back then.  That's why EVE has a whole generation of players who fondly refer to each other as Bittervets.  Hello, my name is H0urg1ass and I'm a Bittervet.  *soft clapping and knowing nods*

We were there, and we know, and you new kids playing this game, you don't know shit. lol

The problem with CCP is they have no freaking clue whatsoever on this earth how to TWEAK a system.  If the player base says "Hey, we don't like the fact that battleships can microwarp as fast as cruisers".  Instead of zeroing in on the actual problem, which was nano BATTLESHIPS, they just swing a gigantic sledgehammer and say "BLARGLE BLARGLE TECHNO VIKING BLARGLE!  FINE, NOW ALL SHIPS ARE FLYING BRICKS!  HOW DO YOU LIKE KRAGGI RAGNARSSON FJORDHAMMER NOW BIATCH!".  They nerf and buff with wild crazy swings like some raging drunk George Foreman.

OMG the Hurricane is a versatile ship.  QUICK! THORJI NERFHAMMERSON, BRING THE SMITER OF GAME MECHANICS!  Make it the least versatile ship in the game!  If the optimal fittings for it aren't cookie cutter, then it hasn't been nerfed enough!

It's almost like The Incredible Hulk is on their staff advising them on how to balance the game.

"Soooo, Mr.... ummm, Hulk.  How do you think we should tweak the nano mechanics in this game?"

"SMAAAAAASH!"

"People say the Eos and Myrmidon are slightly too powerful, what are our options?"

"SMAAAAAAAAAAASH!"

"Sounds good to us! "

Well if it makes you happy, the Eos & Myrm are getting rebuffed again. As, indeed, is the Brutix.

And let's all just admit the truth here: people who were mad about the nanonerf were mad because they actually had to commit to a fight instead of being able to run away if it started going against them. It wasn't just battleships, it was 16km/s Crows and 11Km/s Sabres. That shit was literally broken, because it actually broke the game engine. And now it's gone and you're crying because your easy-escape button is gone and people fit their ships to do something other than go faster.  Boo. Hoo.

Since the nanonerf, there is vastly more diversity in PvP fits and fleet doctrines. In fact I'd say that PvP has never been so diverse. Since you quit in 2010, you're perhaps unaware of the sterling work that CCP Fozzie and CCP Ytterbium have been doing over the last year or so; whole swathes of previously completely pointless ships  are now viable and fun to fly, and the project is going to continue until they're reworked everything. They're even redoing the haulers!

Originally posted by tordurbar

You forgot to mention one critical point - EVE is pvp-centric. More specifically you can be attacked by other players anywhere. For an admitted care bear like me that is a game breaker. Yes, I do think that Eve deserves this score - it is a fantastic game. I enjoyed it for over 45 days. But after being ganked in 0.9 space twice I gave up. Yup I could not cut it. On to the next mmo.

in 5 years of playing I have never ever been ganked in highsec.. well there was once during a war, that I had forgotten we were in. Since I was far away from the rest of my corp. I had forgotten about it and went to Jita.... No biggie though.

After 5 years and the slow death of my last corp I just couldnt get myself to play it anymore.

I didnt have the energy to go looking for a new corp this time and I couldnt get exited about soloing anymore. Kept subbing for a long while after and logging in to see if  the love was flaring up. But no... and I decided I wouldn't keep paying just so I could keep training for the slight chance I would want to play again.

I burned out.. but EvE is by far the best MMO I have ever seen, let alone played.

AAAW sheet I feel pangs of longing to take out my beautiful Orca again... But no.. I would just sit there and spin my ship for 30 minutes and then log out again. 

Originally posted by elocke

Last I checked, I still do math the same way I learned it when I was in grade school.  Same with reading and writing.  So...your analogy doesn't add up.  Secondly, sure there may be alternative ways to play the game that you have learned after playing it for so long, which makes you a veteran.  But don't say new players make the game boring on purpose just because they don't play the way you do.  If the game was able to hit my sweet spots in the beginning in order to KEEP me then you would have an argument.  You don't however.  As you still seem to have glossed over what we said is the problem.  Myself and others in this thread.

It's the implementation of how one does things in Eve that is a gamebreaker for us.  On paper everything looks and sound fantastic.  In action, it's tedious, overly complicated and just not worth the effort it takes to get to veteran status.  At least for a good portion of gamers like myself out here.  By the by, I'm not opposed to challenging games.  My first MMO love and still has a spot in my heart is FFXI.  Most unforgiving PVE game I've ever played and with it's own tedium and annoyances that I was able to overlook, but I realized it wasn't for everyone and didn't get all mad when people said so.  Just thought I would mention that so no one could say I'm part of the gimme generation who wants everything handed to them on a silver platter. 

Elocke, you're being a bit disingenuous with your argument here.

Using your math analogy, sure you learned basic addition, subtraction, multiplication and division in your first years of learning Math. However, to put your analogy in the context of the person you're refuting, it would be like learning basic addition and subtraction, and then never bothering to learn multiplication, division or any other type of math. You couldn't blame the problems you'd run into as being "poorly designed and overly tedious" because you never bothered to learn better ways of solving them.

Because the game starts off Black Mages with 'Stone I' and doesn't specifically say "make sure you get Stone II at level 26 and Stone III at level 52", would you still be using 'Stone I' at level 60? Of course you wouldn't. Because as you play, you learn, you experiment, you talk to people, you read up stuff on a Wiki, or others give you advice.

It's no different in Eve, or in any other MMO. So really, the entire premise of your argument is completely silly. You're conjuring up arguments here just to bash a game you clearly don't like, and it's very obvious.

On that note, what's with all the hostility toward Eve in these comments? There are some seriously bitter and angry people in here, all over the idea that others really like a game that they don't. Pretty ridiculous.

First of all, i have 3 capsuleers in EvE with different skill sets and around 6-10 million SP. I have run missions, i have a mining fleet that rivals a small corp, i ran a small corp that lived in a Wormhole, i have FC'd small gangs in 0.0, i have lived with one of the big alliances in 0.0.

The biggest problem EvE has is its desperate attempt to be ultra hardcore and unforgiving. There is pretty much nothing you can not do and broken game features are exploited and supported by the devs in the name of this elite hardcore illusion.

The game is full of assholes and griefers that breed more assholes and griefers at an alarming rate. Sure, as a veteran player, these little maggots are easy to get rid off, but for new players this is a disaster and leads to either quitting or extreme anger which then leads to the birth of a new asshole that is looking for revenge.

EvE needs to make up its mind already. Either remove all safe zones, or make these safe zones really safe. The way it is now is just stupid.

The other huge problem EvE has is the combat. It is just a spreadsheet battle (+RNG). There is a reason why there are almost no 1v1 fights, why you always see roaming gangs or blobs. There is only one strategy: Put higher numbers on your side of the balance sheet. It's pretty boring to be honest. Sure, there are all these epic fights with huge blops dropping into systems that get into the news, but if you ever been in one you know that it's not that big of a deal and more chaos and random than a strategic fight.

In any case, the game is far from a 9/10. I would give it a 7/10 for it's unique take on a sandbox space simulation.

PS: I would not give any game 9/10 if it where not close to perfection. For me Bioshock Infinite is very close to 9/10. What's a scale worth if you give almost every decent game a top score?

Originally posted by taus01

 

First of all, i have 3 capsuleers in EvE with different skill sets and around 6-10 million SP. I have run missions, i have a mining fleet that rivals a small corp, i ran a small corp that lived in a Wormhole, i have FC'd small gangs in 0.0, i have lived with one of the big alliances in 0.0.

 

The biggest problem EvE has is its desperate attempt to be ultra hardcore and unforgiving. There is pretty much nothing you can not do and broken game features are exploited and supported by the devs in the name of this elite hardcore illusion.

The game is full of assholes and griefers that breed more assholes and griefers at an alarming rate. Sure, as a veteran player, these little maggots are easy to get rid off, but for new players this is a disaster and leads to either quitting or extreme anger which then leads to the birth of a new asshole that is looking for revenge.

EvE needs to make up its mind already. Either remove all safe zones, or make these safe zones really safe. The way it is now is just stupid.

 

The other huge problem EvE has is the combat. It is just a spreadsheet battle (+RNG). There is a reason why there are almost no 1v1 fights, why you always see roaming gangs or blobs. There is only one strategy: Put higher numbers on your side of the balance sheet. It's pretty boring to be honest. Sure, there are all these epic fights with huge blops dropping into systems that get into the news, but if you ever been in one you know that it's not that big of a deal and more chaos and random than a strategic fight.

 

In any case, the game is far from a 9/10. I would give it a 7/10 for it's unique take on a sandbox space simulation.

 

PS: I would not give any game 9/10 if it where not close to perfection. For me Bioshock Infinite is very close to 9/10. What's a scale worth if you give almost every decent game a top score?

I've been playing EVE for nearly 7 years, but I've been doing it wrong. Virtually everyone I actually encounter in the game is helpful and kind.

You know there's an old saying: If you encounter an asshole before breakfast, well, you met an asshole. If everyone you encounter all day is an asshole, then the asshole is you.