Originally posted by jimdandy26

Originally posted by vandal5627

Originally posted by jimdandy26

Originally posted by Fendel84M

Originally posted by rojo6934
i am looking forward to A Realm Reborn, but please Square Enix.... these videos show horrible static combat. That is a huge deal to me and im sure many people agrees. A game like Guild Wars 2 that doesnt even have a subscription managed to make active combat. If ARR reborn relaunches with this silly "my shoes are glued to the ground" combat i wont pay a subscription for it. That is enough deal breaker to me. Specially as a black mage. Add either instant cast or let casting work while moving. Or come up with something to make us more active while fighting.

Well, I think in the spirit of the Final Fantasy series combat isn't supposed to be run around action based. As it is it looks a lot quicker FFXI but I dont think most Final Fantasy fans want an action based combat.

The problem then comes down to how they intend to grow. I am a middling ff fan, I enjoyed a few of the games when I still played turn based console games, but the combat is very much a deal breaker. If I am not engaged by the combat, I simply cannot play it. 2.5 sec cast spells are insane, especially in the current playerbase. There is a reason why games like WoW instituted haste, and Rift has dropped the gcd for its classes to 1 sec. People prefer "faster" combat.

 There are quite a bit of people that prefer the slower paced combat as well.  Also, combat isnt everything in a game for alot of people.  Look at Tera, i heard they have the best action combat out there and look how they're doing.  I enjoy the slow paced combat.  As long as there is content for me to do and it looks like they will have based on the just released beta road map, i'm a happy camper.

Tera is a horrible example for your position, as virtually everyone loved the combat. It was everything else they hated, to poor quests to lack of raids to poor pvp. A better example would have been Tsw as its combat is actually similar to that of the beloved Gw2, but it still fails to engage the user. Don't take me wrong, Gw2 combat does not engage me either, but that is mostly because it comes down to "spam 1 for success" more than anything.  The combat system will in and of itself not hold many, but it WILL sink the ship if its poor. Ryahl imparticular has tried explaining this away in other places with the analogy of chess versus speed chess, and for me atleast that gets to the very heart of the matter. Watching chess is boring if there is for example minutes between moves, but its much more exciting if there is only 20 seconds. Speed does matter. While I would not advocate true "action" combat, at the pace it is now I will fall asleep from boredom inbetween casts, which is absurd. I am not in alpha, so I do not know if ttk and the like is in a decent spot, but based on cast times alone, nothing should be over 2 seconds if you need to use it regularly, 1-1.5 would be ideal for me atleast.

As it is, I have yet to see anything in any of the videos that makes me want to play. What I have seen of the solo and group based content so far does not look like anything that we have not already seen. Even the mini game crafting comes off as blah, but thats because I do not care for those types of crafting systems. The aesthetics of the game are nice (except that ui, it clashes pretty badly) but aesthetics are meaningless when it does not offer anything that we do not already have.

You do not spam the 1 button in guild wars. You hit it once and it autoattacks. It cycles through the attacks one after the other that are associated with the 1 button. You never have to hit it again unless you change mobs. In the meantime, you focus on your other abilities after you hit the 1 (autoattack) button... once.

To each his own as far as how they like their combat. I for one do not like the slow glued to floor combat feel that is FFIV.  I think its holding back the game and if it isn't changed the game will never be the commercial success it set out to be. There will always be people who think the combat is fine, I just think they're in the minority.

Well, that and a few other things. need to be fixed.

people keep asking for more fluid combat but what people dont understand is this is a final fantasy game , its not wow

its like turn based

I gotta say personally, while I loved grouping in FFXI, I did NOT enjoy the 5 hour wait in Dunes asking for a group. (an I was a Whm) I dread to think how bad it was for others. I am "hoping" thye bring back my favorite all time class that FFXI had. the beast tamer dude?? forget his name. but being able to chain tame mobs to fight for you while having to watch their agro control, was so much fun.

Pluss there are times you just want to go off an have fun on your own.

Originally posted by rush1984

people keep asking for more fluid combat but what people dont understand is this is a final fantasy game , its not wow

its like turn based

I just hope they dont make it wow in FF. It would be the worst thing possible to make it a wow clone.

Originally posted by vandal5627

Originally posted by Fendel84M

Originally posted by rojo6934
i am looking forward to A Realm Reborn, but please Square Enix.... these videos show horrible static combat. That is a huge deal to me and im sure many people agrees. A game like Guild Wars 2 that doesnt even have a subscription managed to make active combat. If ARR reborn relaunches with this silly "my shoes are glued to the ground" combat i wont pay a subscription for it. That is enough deal breaker to me. Specially as a black mage. Add either instant cast or let casting work while moving. Or come up with something to make us more active while fighting.

Well, I think in the spirit of the Final Fantasy series combat isn't supposed to be run around action based. As it is it looks a lot quicker FFXI but I dont think most Final Fantasy fans want an action based combat.

 +1

Agree, last thing I want to see is wow/rift spam play. FFXI was great because it didnt clone other games. It was its own game.