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12/28/12 12:05:02 PM#41
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Jakdstripper

what i find incredibly suspicious is how the only mention i can vaguely recall of Pirates 101 was a few news columns like months ago that i didn't even read after scrolling through a few pictures. Therfore i was very surprised to see it on the list.........the next week it had won the Player's Choice award......

....i am here A LOT(way more than it is healthy to be), and i had NEVER even seen 1 player's thread about Pirates 101. no fan threads, no hate threads, no "Piarates 101 is the next WoW killer" threads, no nothing...complete silence..... yet somehow all of a sudden it's more popular than GW2.....whhhaaaatttt?.....



Rigged because the developers and the studio cheated to get the vote.  Pirate 101 took it as a serious event to get free publicity.  Gw2 could care less and in the end the cheating bastards won.  Which is sorrta similar to life.

Since when is campaigning "aka getting the word out" considered cheating?  All of the companies in the competition knew it was taking place.  It's their own fault for not campaigning, let alone campaigning at the level that Pirate101 did.  Whether it was due to laziness or sheer stupidity, they deserved to lose if they can't be bothered to put in the effort to encourage their player base to vote.



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12/28/12 12:05:07 PM#42
I didn't even know voting had started, then I saw an unknown game had won... yeah.... things are easily manipulated when a huge chunk of your base doesn't know what's going on.  If it were something important, I'd demand a recount, lol.....

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12/28/12 12:10:13 PM#43
Originally posted by Vorthanion

Since when is campaigning "aka getting the word out" considered cheating?

More importantly, why are fans (of other games) so upset about it?

The game that won saw an opportunity; their marketing department was paying attention and—marketed.  +1 for their boss, -1 for the other guys.

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12/28/12 12:12:58 PM#44
Welcome to Generation Me.  First there was the Baby Boomers.  Then my generation (from 1975 through the 80's.  Not sure what that was called).  Then Generation X.  Now, it's Generation Me.  "My game didn't win.  So now I'm going to spew bad things about (site/game/whatever) that didn't choose MY game.  Me me me me me me me."


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12/28/12 12:17:32 PM#45
Originally posted by ScorpionOne
Welcome to Generation Me.  First there was the Baby Boomers.  Then my generation (from 1975 through the 80's.  Not sure what that was called).  Then Generation X.  Now, it's Generation Me.  "My game didn't win.  So now I'm going to spew bad things about (site/game/whatever) that didn't choose MY game.  Me me me me me me me."

Don't know either, but we could call it the pc generation (Speccy, Commodore, Atari)

Or the AD&D generation? Gygax ftw :)


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12/28/12 12:40:46 PM#46
Well, it is absolutely understandable that that kind of reward is highly unaccurate and most of the times the winner is the one that spams more votes. The true winner for the best game of the year for the users is obviously the one that comes on the top when you go to the game list and sort by rating/hype.

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12/28/12 12:55:05 PM#47

Most popular games top 10 of today/week/month:

Nope. Pirates101 isn't there.


Had GW2 won I wonder if we would have an article justifying it.

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12/28/12 1:07:41 PM#48


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12/28/12 1:11:22 PM#49

I guess some shills are getting an hard time from their paymasters for not being able to hype "their" product enough to win the polls...:)

Anyway, most of the shills are very negative and personal on their "forum attacks" against someone complaining about "their product" and that creates a negative feeling capable of triggering "revenge votes" just for the fun of it.

But, all in all, the Pirates 101 victory was fair and square.

All good sportsmen know how to win and loose.

Leonard: Penny, you are on fire.
Penny: Yes, so is Sheldon.
Sheldon: Okay, that's it. I don't know how, but she is cheating. No-one can be that attractive and this skilled at a video game.
[walks away]
Penny: Wait, wait. Sheldon. Come back, you forgot something.
Sheldon: What?
Penny: This plasma grenade.
Penny: [laughs] Look! It's raining you.
Sheldon: You laugh now. You just wait until you need tech support. (Big Bang Theory)

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12/28/12 1:25:07 PM#50

I think it's reasonable for people to be upset when their beloved game isn't chosen as the game of the year. They've invested much time and money into it and want that investment validated. 

However, the teardown mentality comes from a general sense of dissatisfaction with the genre. How many games have we seen relaunched? How many games have we seen under deliver on advertised features? How many games turn free to play only to choke content away from players? The fact of the matter is that many companies don't get it. They don't get what's wrong until they've losted most of their subscribers and have to change business models. They don't get it until they throw up a flag that says "We failed.". Quite frankly, each new MMO that comes out feels like one more lemming to jump off of a cliff. 

If Pirate 101 delivered on their development promises and gave players a fun game with a fair payment model, then more power to them. Even as a fan of the Guild Wars franchise, the game has a long way to come before it should win so many accolades. It's an infant game with so much potential but it's falling short. Here's where:

1. Storywriting: enough with the nauseating togetherness message. I feel like every cut scene is some moralistic advertisement. There's no sense of history, conflict, or culture in the characters, beyond the shallow musings of key characters.

2. Character development: There is no reason I shouldn't be able to store builds or reallocate my traits in town. They did it in the first game and it made the game's culture thrive. If I have to go to an external source to experiment, your game is lacking. The impact of the dignity/ferocity/charm mechanic is nill. I have no reason to go to my home district. 

3. Fun: Some parts just aren't fun. Orr - where every mob snares and yanks you around. Not to mention that bloody run detriment in combat. I should never have to run slower in combat. It is completely illogical and ruins the immersion in several personal story missions. 

Part of the problem with Guild Wars 2 is the attempt to pack so much in one game. Some players want a Bioware-esque narrative. Others want exploration. Others still want raid content. Are all of these necessary for a game to be successful? I believe so. I love the art style and the general direction of the game but it needs to mature a little bit. I think that's an important lesson to take away from it not winning. Just because you are the popular kid doesn't mean you can under-deliver and expect people to remain happy. Fortunately, ArenaNet is a good company and is dedicated to improving their game. I just hope they listen and communicate things before they have another Ascended Items fiasco. 



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12/28/12 1:31:05 PM#51

Most polls are unscientific, and it's really only a matter of how unscientific they are.  Even most supposedly proper polls are unscientific to a greater degree than you probably realize.  In particular, all political polling apart from election day results is unscientific.  In order for a poll to be scientific, you have to make everyone in the sample population that you're trying to measure equally likely to be included, and that is impossible if people whose views you're ostensibly trying to measure can refuse to participate.

Internet polls are especially unscientific, though, as the results are heavily skewed by who can be bothered to vote in Internet polls.  Ron Paul's presidential campaign won an awful lot of Internet polls, both in 2008 and 2012, but never came close to winning a primary (as opposed to a caucus).

And, of course, just because an Internet poll is on this site doesn't mean it's representative of the views of the regulars around here.  Many games have asked their players to go to such and such site and vote for the game, sometimes even offering in-game rewards if the game wins.

And that is the real point of the award polls, both on this site and on many others.  Many players who had never heard of were urged to come to this site to vote for this or that game.  A small fraction of them might even decide they like the site and hang around.  It's not hard to understand why those who run this site might like that outcome.  Many other sites have competitive polls on matters where people have strong opinions for exactly the same reasons.

The columnist correctly says that many of the commenters on the award announcement don't get what the player's choice awards are about, but he doesn't get what they're about, either.  It's about free marketing for the site that hosts the poll and runs the award, and nothing more.  Once you realize that, it's harder to get upset that you don't like who "won".

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12/28/12 1:38:57 PM#52
Originally posted by ScorpionOne
Welcome to Generation Me.  First there was the Baby Boomers.  Then my generation (from 1975 through the 80's.  Not sure what that was called).  Then Generation X.  Now, it's Generation Me.  "My game didn't win.  So now I'm going to spew bad things about (site/game/whatever) that didn't choose MY game.  Me me me me me me me."

This seems to be different per region but you are part of the Generation X even in the USA. People born between 1961 and 1981, after the Post–World War II baby boom.

Generation Y isn't properly defined at the moment but it is being called the Millennial Generation. 


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12/28/12 1:49:09 PM#53
Originally posted by BadSpock

The internet is the Mos Eisley Cantina - "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

In truth - I don't think that statement applies to just the internet anymore - because the internet is no longer some seperate thing from our lives/society it is an extension of it.

Human society in general has become a cespool of negativity and evil. I fear for humanity.

Somewhere along the way people stopped learning their "please and thank you's" and stopped caring about basic civility and good manners.

I say this as a 29 year old. I'm not even that old to be this crotchety.

     You are wise beyond your years....

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12/28/12 1:56:14 PM#54
I do question if the vote was swung in P101's favor by a rash of new sign ups as the game simply doesn't seem that popular amongst the regular site posters. If that is the case then spin it however you want but the site was used as a marketing tool and us regulars too. You've egg on your face for letting someone else from outside represent your actual readers and supporters. Otherwise, it is what it is.

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12/28/12 2:06:06 PM#55
The Pirates 101 upset was probably one of the better gifts of the few I received this holiday season. Not only was it awesome to see an under dog top the players choice awards through the mustering call of the community, but it was great to see another official site award, regardless of it being players choice, to something other than Guild Wars 2 (seriously, anything else).

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12/28/12 2:18:27 PM#56
This is alot of  fussing for what? i am a GW2 player i did not vote i did not even look at  the vote page. we lost i  still play. I think most people don't care about the game of  the year award. To sit here and thing growen men and woman are acting like little kids and bashing a game because it beet yours because of a better fan base  does nothing but show how people need to get a new hobby.
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12/28/12 2:37:45 PM#57
Originally posted by lizardbones

It's a whale with a town on its back. A whale. With a town on its back. Someone gets to drive a whale around with a town. How could that not win?

lol!  Made my day.  :)


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12/28/12 2:39:23 PM#58
And yet Pirates 101 are close to dead last with a whopping 1.4% vote at this time where many MMOs are annhilating the game at a real gaming site like Massively.  Yeah... MMO of the Year my ass with, talk about some severely flawed poll methods.

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12/28/12 2:47:21 PM#59

"Before I end this piece, I'm going to paraphrase the Miss Universe Creed that was stated in each pageant from 1960-1990 into something gamers can understand."

I know gaming has been dumbed down, but I still think the average gamer would be able handle anything a Miss Universe contestant could understand, without paraphrasing. :D

'Even' gamers would give better answers then these girls:


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12/28/12 2:55:59 PM#60
Originally posted by Ambros123
And yet Pirates 101 are close to dead last with a whopping 1.4% vote at this time where many MMOs are annhilating the game at a real gaming site like Massively.  Yeah... MMO of the Year my ass with, talk about some severely flawed poll methods.

You might want to take a minute and re-read the original post.

It's not "MMO of the Year with", it's "Players Choice" which has little to do with the site itself as such.

There is nothing flawed about the poll methods other than the potential to create numerous alt accounts to vote.

Personally I think Massively is an awful site, if you like it then fine but some will disagree.


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