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  madazz

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12/27/12 7:28:03 PM#61
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by nariusseldon
 

One company does not make up the market. If you look at the market, here is the data:

 

 

Yet you always find one source of information to back up whatever weird argument you are starting, and then demand that that source of information is representative of the entire market.

Well, this is the entire market data, if you read carefully. Feel free to find another source of market data to contradict it.

And yet you always cannot find any source of data, exccept your opinion to back up your arguments.

Except for all those times I posted links and asked valid questions and you ignored them? Nice attempt. But no.

  DoomsDay01

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12/27/12 7:33:23 PM#62
Originally posted by quseio
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Within 10 years, sub models will be gone. Good riddance.

 

I would rather pay 15 dollars a month using station cash (SOE as an example)...than spend 15 dollars...and then exactly at 30 days never be able to play the MMO again unless subscribe again. On the other hand, I pay to unlock stuff with 15 dollars...and I OWN that for all of eternity (or however long the MMO lives)

I hope subscription MMOs die a fast and painful death.

 

WHY would someone want to spend a month in game, to be locked out of ALL content as soon as 30 days is over?

 

On the other hand, you can pay to unlock said content...might cost a tad more in the short term. BUT, you NEVER get locked out of that content.  edit( pay alot  fixed)

 

We are very fast seeing subscription MMOs dying. And good riddance. More and more MMOs are going free or freemium...and they are doing AMAZING, population wise and in terms of the money they make. Very soon, subscription MMOs at the very least...will be a very very niche market, and no big MMO will follow that model. It will be cheap indie sandbox MMOs, that get very little people playing them.

 oh yes  sure you can keep playing forever but  all your gear is no longer useable if your a raider, unless you pay to unlock it and end up paying more than you would  with a sub

 

subscriptions  help keep a level playing field and No buy to win just say no to buy to win i would rather have a subscription so the company isnt so desperate to drain your wallet with leet stuff

What does it matter if you are playing a PVE game and someone else bought the sword that you spent hours camping? Or maybe you dont have the time to put in to getting that sword. If its a pve game, there is no buying to win. Now if its pvp, then yeah I can see the point, but many of the posts I see like this are complaining because of the PVE side of it which it doesn't affect the other people in the slightest. I think it just boils down to people being hurt cause they can't afford to buy that shiney sword. Again, if its pve, who cares. buy to win doesn't exist in this context.

  Sovrath

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12/27/12 7:33:51 PM#63
Originally posted by nariusseldon
 

One company does not make up the market. If you look at the market, here is the data:

http://www.newzoo.com/press-releases/global-mmo-games-spending-exceeds-12bn/

"In the US, the share of revenues coming from free-to-play MMO games continues to rise, reaching 50% this year, up from 39% in 2010". And now F2P is making as much money in the US as p2p games... i would say there are quite a few whales ou tthere.

And don't you think p2w is only fair when others are paying for your games? Now no one can perfectly predict the future. So what if at some point in the future, this will go way? Right now, i don't see F2P going away any time soon, and there is no reason to enjoy the free games now (if they are fun).

 

Yes that's true but it's a good indicator that just because someone makes a game f2p it's not going to be a guarantee of generating enough cash to sustain the game.

Now, if Aion is the only game that has this issue the it's just the game. However, my thought is that this is the first crack in the bowl. It's going to be very apparent that once the ceiling is hit there won't be any way to go other than adding "pay to win items" (which I don't think is ever a good thing no matter who is paying) or adding more fees.

I suppose there is nothing to be done as long as small groups of people are perfectly happy paying for the mass of people who take advantage of the "free" part of the game.

  kzaske

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12/27/12 7:34:30 PM#64
I think the days of subscriptions is far from over.  But the days of subscriptions being the ONLY source of income for developers is already over.  I can't think of a game solely supported by subscriptions.

  TheScavenger

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12/27/12 7:35:04 PM#65

People who support subscription models, are like those that like very niche music.

 

Very niche music may be good, and there will be people that very much enjoy it. But, they should know they are part of a very niche group. Not a bad thing, and the artist may be all the better for it. He will however have very little money, but the artist probably isn't looking for money to begin with.

 

Freemium and free to play are like pop, rock, rap and other popular music genres. They may be low quality, or they might actually be good...but they will get A LOT more money and A LOT more people listening to it. 

 

Same can be said for themepark (popular music) and sandboxes (niche music)...but thats probably for another thread. Though if putting a pay to play sandbox into the genre...thats one very niche market and an extra niche market...very little money will overall be seen, at least most of the time. But will never see the amount of money as a themepark and a free to play/freemium.

 

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  slickbizzle

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12/27/12 7:35:21 PM#66

There are a lot of good Free/Buy to play games out there.  It's going to get harder and harder for the sub based games to keep people paying $15 a month.

 

 

 

 

  Sovrath

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12/27/12 7:36:20 PM#67
Originally posted by TheScavenger

People who support subscription models, are like those that like very niche music.

 

Very niche music may be good, and there will be people that very much enjoy it. But, they should know they are part of a very niche group. Not a bad thing, and the artist may be all the better for it. He will however have very little money, but the artist probably isn't looking for money to begin with.

 


 

hmmm and I do love very niche music ...

  TheScavenger

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12/27/12 7:44:35 PM#68
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by TheScavenger

People who support subscription models, are like those that like very niche music.

 

Very niche music may be good, and there will be people that very much enjoy it. But, they should know they are part of a very niche group. Not a bad thing, and the artist may be all the better for it. He will however have very little money, but the artist probably isn't looking for money to begin with.

 


 

hmmm and I do love very niche music ...

yeah, not a bad thing. But just like the niche music/artist...a subscription MMO shouldn't expect 100k+ subscribers. Especially if its a sandbox. They should expect 10k subscribers, and anything after that is a bonus.

 

Its like a kickstarter asking for a million dollars...when in reality they should ask for 100k, and anything after that is a bonus.

 

All these subscription MMOs complain about lack of people, even more with sandbox MMOs...but they are a very niche market (especially with both put together). Like I said, its not a bad thing and the game may be much higher quality. But they shouldn't expect 100k subscribers...10k is much more reasonable for a very niche market, maybe more with a pay to play themepark.

 

And none especially should expect to meet WoW subscriber amount, but even freemiums run into that huge mistake. The higher you aim, the farther you miss. A freemium/free to play should aim for 100k to 300k subscribers, much more reasonable than trying to get millions of people playing it.

 

Likewise, a pay to play themepark should aim for 50k to 100k (very reasonable and an easy goal to reach) and a pay to play sandbox should aim for 10k.

 

If MMOs did that, niche, popular, pay to play, freemium, free...a lot more MMOs would be successful.

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  MoutonDocile

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12/27/12 7:46:49 PM#69

When Blizzard decides that subs are dead, it's over. Until then....

 

I like where things are going. Not every games are doing the F2P or B2P right (I'm looking at you SWTOR) but it's a good thing overall. Optionnal sub is also a good way to do things (PS2 for example. 

 

It brings more people to MMOs. More people to play with is a good thing in my book.

 

 

  niceguy3978

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12/27/12 7:47:09 PM#70
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by niceguy3978
As far as I know only SWTOR, TSW and DCUO abandoned their sub model "within months."  This is a bit of hyperbole.

Fixed!

I think the subscription model will last for exactly as long as Blizzard chooses to continue to use the subscription model for WoW.

Yeah, I meant TSW, I don't know what my fingers were thinking when typing SWTOR and TOR.

  grimal

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12/27/12 8:04:03 PM#71

It's not really an longterm option for new releases

The older games that remain with it, they have secured a solid playerbase.  But I think we are going to see more and more of the recent P2P titles moving to a new model, until eventually WoW will be the only one left.  Then, it will go F2P as well.

 

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  Novusod

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12/27/12 9:41:05 PM#72
The subscription model won't go away completely. Most subscription games will probably go "Freemium" in the next year if they have not done so already. By "Freemium" this means offering a limited "Free" access to the game but still offering a sub as the main form of payment. Micro-transaction cash shop games where you get nickel and dimed for every little thing are ultimately not that very successful outside of Asia.
  Robokapp

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12/27/12 9:43:47 PM#73

my guess is

 

two decades from now on.

  User Deleted
12/28/12 1:17:46 AM#74

Thing is, most of the games being used to firther this argument all still have subscriptions, its just you dont have to sub for basic content.  That is NOT f2p. Thats a really extensive trial.

 

The ONLY modern p2p game that i can think of that went f2p was Aion (and L2).  That is a f2p game, everything free and it sustains itself on a cash shop.

 

WAR, AOC, SWTOR, TSW, D&D, LOTRO...more im sure im missing...all of these games that are herealded by the f2p community as proof that subs are forever dead...all are subscription games still.

 

Actually not 100% on TSW since i havent looked into that one yet (didnt it just happen?)

 

I really wish people would get that most of these p2p games that switch are doing it for marketing reasons and are not really free.  Hell i think SWTOR would have done better with a trial for 49 levels and then sub for endgame, their model is way worse on free players than any other game ive seen.

 

 

I really think the underlying issue is weve capped out on how much money studios can pump into a clone, its nearly impossible to get 1mil+subs these days on a new game thats similair to old games but uses buzz words like innovative.  People will always try these new games out but always leave since its more of the same.  Only a niche crowd will stay and support and that wont get these studios out of their mega-million dollar development cost holes.  They panic and go for a money grab.

 

 

  nariusseldon

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12/28/12 3:05:51 AM#75
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by nariusseldon
 

One company does not make up the market. If you look at the market, here is the data:

http://www.newzoo.com/press-releases/global-mmo-games-spending-exceeds-12bn/

"In the US, the share of revenues coming from free-to-play MMO games continues to rise, reaching 50% this year, up from 39% in 2010". And now F2P is making as much money in the US as p2p games... i would say there are quite a few whales ou tthere.

And don't you think p2w is only fair when others are paying for your games? Now no one can perfectly predict the future. So what if at some point in the future, this will go way? Right now, i don't see F2P going away any time soon, and there is no reason to enjoy the free games now (if they are fun).

 

Yes that's true but it's a good indicator that just because someone makes a game f2p it's not going to be a guarantee of generating enough cash to sustain the game.

Not every F2P game is going to be sucessful .. just like not every P2P game is going to be successful. Heck, not every game is going to be successful. Period. The trend is clear. More money is going into the F2P market. More games are going to be F2P. More players are going to F2P.

Now, if Aion is the only game that has this issue the it's just the game. However, my thought is that this is the first crack in the bowl. It's going to be very apparent that once the ceiling is hit there won't be any way to go other than adding "pay to win items" (which I don't think is ever a good thing no matter who is paying) or adding more fees.

So what? First, there is no p2w in pve .. since there is no "winning". Second, if someone is going to pay for your game, it is only fair that he has an advantage. And it is a level playing field, you are free to outspend anyone in teh game.

I suppose there is nothing to be done as long as small groups of people are perfectly happy paying for the mass of people who take advantage of the "free" part of the game.

Exactly. That is the beauty of the business model.

 

  nariusseldon

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12/28/12 3:07:12 AM#76
Originally posted by Crunchy222

Thing is, most of the games being used to firther this argument all still have subscriptions, its just you dont have to sub for basic content.  That is NOT f2p. Thats a really extensive trial.


 

That is just semantics. You get to play part of the game, with zero time limit, for free. Whether you call it F2P, or an extensive trial, is irrelevant. And in some games, you get to play it all. Certainly it is not a small part of the game you get to play.

  MMOGamer71

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12/28/12 3:07:53 AM#77
If developers make a game worth playing long term the subscription model will last.
  Kuro1n

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12/28/12 5:11:47 AM#78
Originally posted by Renton81
Originally posted by Kuro1n
Forever, there will always be different methods for getting the cash in. I prefer a sub based game most of the time, it's cheap and I get the moneys worth in the most cases (as long as I don't play a shitgame).

Well, there are free to play games that are good too. The thing with monthly sub games like WoW is, sometimes I may take a break playing due to me having a lot of work to do. Then one night when I have free time I decide to play. Then I'm obligated to pay and play for the whole month, just because I felt like playing that one evening.

That's happened to me before too. I'd hesitate thinking, then just sub for the month just because I wanted to play with my mates. Then any other spare time that I have, I feel the urge to use up that time I paid for.

 

I honestly like 1 time payment games.

Depends on how you see it and where you live (salaries etc) I suppose. 15USD is just a beer or two if I would go out here and I deem that I have fun for those 15USD if I pay for a months sub with that even if I just play a day or two. I rather log into a game with even playing field than a game where I can buy myself benefits or such. Also having a sub means I feel I have more of a choice being able to protest once the developers does something I dislike by just unsubbing like what happened in EVE.

  Quirhid

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12/28/12 5:39:19 AM#79
Originally posted by Tjed
Originally posted by Quirhid
As long as the suckers are willing to pay...

If I got to the point that $15 a month is no longer disposable income, I must have really been a sucker in the business aspect of my life. 

I'll be a $15 a month sucker for a quality product any day.  That's less than 2 beers at the pub with tip.

Yeah. You're the kind of sucker who thinks he gets quality by paying a subscription fee. Look around and try the games that don't require subscription fee. They are just as good only cheaper. And the devs don't have an excuse to stretch their content.

I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  MoutonDocile

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12/28/12 7:41:00 AM#80
P2P games doesn't mean quality. That is one big misconception. P2P games have been every bit as good or bad than B2P/F2P games.
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