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News & Features Discussion  » [Column] Star Wars: The Old Republic: SWTOR Anniversary Edition

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12/26/12 7:29:40 PM#21
Originally posted by grimal

Their F2P model definitely sucks.

With TSW going F2P, they really really need to rethink their whole strategy.   But the cogs move mighty slow at EA....

Have to agree, I tried going back to SWTOR after the conversion and it's one of the worst free to play renditions I've ever seen. If it ever goes buy to play I may look at it again, but thats the only way I'll ever even look at it again. 


Awful, awful, AWFUL strategy here lol. 


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12/26/12 7:57:35 PM#22

Another stunning puff-piece about SWTOR by Michael Bitton.


Seriously, Michael, are you receiving some kind of direct or indirect payment for these pieces? This game is a dog and everyone seems to accept except you. Well,at least you've stopped banning people for criticisng the game. That's a start I suppose.


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12/26/12 7:59:16 PM#23

No.1 Reason to applaud swtor is their F2P conversion? Are you freaking kidding me.

If this was TSW or CoX I would agree with you.

All EA/Bioware are trying to do is maximise profit before they shut the flippin game down.



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12/26/12 8:39:50 PM#24
These massive paid advertisements on this site are becoming ridiculous..  The f2p conversion EA came up with is a joke and there is nothing at all to praise about it.

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12/26/12 8:40:21 PM#25

Remind me just to stop reading any SWTOR piece by MB, useless and pointless, rather like SWTOR.

F2P has nothing to attract people back. It is rather playing basketball, dressed in your grandfathers flourescent golf clothes, with a leg and an arm tied behind your back. Sooo much like fun... yeah...


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12/26/12 8:49:59 PM#26

my favourite additions which did NOT happen

- getting rid of exhaustion zones

- day/night change

- any form of housing

- pazzaak

- swoop racing

- space exploration off the freakin rails

- water and swimming

- optimize the horrible engine and plethora of loading screens

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12/26/12 11:21:38 PM#27

You guys are praising TSW's f2p strategy but I have one caveat for you -- let's see which game if either is still running in a year.


Honestly, there's a better business bet on SWTOR being operational in another year than TSW, no matter what you are saying now about Funcom being nicer guys than EA.  Companies, alas, do not run on nice.  They don't pay staff on nice.  They don't run server farms on nice.


Let's check in on December 2013 and see which game lasts longer, and if either is still going, shall we?  Because it won't matter if you like TSW to pieces if they fold.


And if SWTOR seems to suck to you, but a few hundred thousands or so of us are still loving it and buying cartel packs and paying subs in a year?  You can burn a lot of bytes here on the boards saying how we have no taste.  Yup.  And that's just fine.  EA will still have made the right decision, because I suspect no way in hell is TSW going to make it.


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12/27/12 12:41:19 AM#28
Originally posted by shava

You guys are praising TSW's f2p strategy but I have one caveat for you -- let's see which game if either is still running in a year.


Honestly, there's a better business bet on SWTOR being operational in another year than TSW, no matter what you are saying now about Funcom being nicer guys than EA.  Companies, alas, do not run on nice.  They don't pay staff on nice.  They don't run server farms on nice.


Let's check in on December 2013 and see which game lasts longer, and if either is still going, shall we?  Because it won't matter if you like TSW to pieces if they fold.


And if SWTOR seems to suck to you, but a few hundred thousands or so of us are still loving it and buying cartel packs and paying subs in a year?  You can burn a lot of bytes here on the boards saying how we have no taste.  Yup.  And that's just fine.  EA will still have made the right decision, because I suspect no way in hell is TSW going to make it.

Yet AoC is still running...  Even if Funcom has their issues cutting and running isn't one of them.   With Bioware doing things like charging for actionbars they aren't making people want to give them their money, they are driving them away.


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12/27/12 1:16:02 AM#29
I actually liked this game, but I didn't like it more than WoW or Rift.  And I only have enough time (actually I don't have enough time) to play 2 MMOs at a time.  I went back after it went F2P, expecting there to be a fairly normal game, like lord of the rings.  Where I would have some restrictions yes, but nothing that was too bad since I had been a previous subber (like lotro again). However upon my return I found that only 1 piece of my main's gear, I could use (which made him practically useless).  I couldn't do anything reall with my main since any quest or raid wasn't open to him.  So I went to some other characters, and noticed it was even worse.  I couldn't get QUEST REWARDS.  This is by far the most restrictive f2p in the history of the world lol.  I'm suprised I didn't have to pay $1 for every character in my password or something like that...

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12/27/12 5:38:05 AM#30
Meh. I think of the f2p restrictions as a challenge. I'm gonna get all my alts to fifty not paying a cent. :)

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12/27/12 5:48:59 AM#31
It's basically a demo mode for brand new players not a real F2P option. With the restrictions that go with the current implementation, I just can't muster the interest to play again. The worst was requiring a sub to get the "complementary" cartel coins given for having bought the game and subscribed previously. I'm sure I'm not the only one who, after seeing that, had my determination not to pay a penny more for the game hardened into unbreakable resolve.

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12/27/12 6:34:00 AM#32
Originally posted by FromHell

my favourite additions which did NOT happen

- getting rid of exhaustion zones

I agree totally

- day/night change

Could care less actually, but if it gets put in then please use it to change things up a bit like have different mobs come out at night or something so its a little more realistic.   Oh wait, then peeps will cry because now they will have to wait until their quest mobs start to spawn.  You can't keep everyone happy.

- any form of housing

Shouldn't be that damn hard.  I mean EQ2/SWG/Vanguard have it just to name a few games with different models.

- pazzaak

It would be nice to have something to do besides kill kill kill regardless of which phase of the game you are doing it in.

- swoop racing

See above

- space exploration off the freakin rails

I've always found it ironic that Star Wars had little free roaming space content (the space shots in the movies are essentially a rail system i.e. both Death Star scenes, the asteroid scene, and on and on).  I know a lot want this option but if you actually think about it, there wasn't much of Star Wars that actually took place in open space.  It was mostly on planets/moons or inside capitol ships. Star Trek is where the interactions between ships was at the center of the story.  Just sayin.

- water and swimming

Why?  What ever happened in the water in Star Wars that is worth remembering?  Luke disapeared in the garbage smasher.  There is no need to swim in SWTOR.  Adding it as part of an expansion would work, but really, we are playing Star Wars, not Water Wars.  I'd rather see a revamp of the space system to this any day.  Besides, blasters and light sabers in water just make me shudder.

- optimize the horrible engine and plethora of loading screens

It is a pain to get to a planet with all the wasted time of cut scenes and space stations.   Just let us go where we are supposed to go.  I do enjoy the full voice scenes though, as long as I haven't done the quest before, then there is the space bar.  I do think they chose the wrong engine though.

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12/27/12 6:35:24 AM#33

"Still, this doesn’t mean that BioWare rested on its laurels with SWTOR."


What LAURELS ???  They have nothing to rest on ....


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12/27/12 6:59:26 AM#34

I think the legacy system was a great idea my problem with it was that you had to buy the perks not earn them which cheapened the full thing. They should have made it like RiFT's PA system where you had to earn everything through playing the game, as it stands it's a great idea poorly implemented. In hindsight this was done so it would work when they added the cash shop and they could cash in on people yet again.


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12/27/12 7:16:31 AM#35
As so far I guess everyone knows :-) Swtor is best game ever for me, most fun, enjoyable, .... so I do not care for f2p which I consider in general worst thing that happend to good gaming.

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12/27/12 8:23:10 AM#36

As someone who subbed a month after release for a couple months, I am happy that ToR is F2P now since I didn't think the game was worth a $15/month sub. It is better to play with some restrictions and just unlock a thing here and there as a casual player, playing it as a secondary MMO. For people who are not playing casually, it is better to get a sub and  forget about the F2P model. As a 'froob', I do not expect to be able to get ahold of everything that a subber can get. That is ok since I doink around in ToR when I do not want to play WoW. Players who expect to play ToR heavily without spending any cash may have unreal expectations. Do I feel that EA went overboard on restrictions? Yes, but the game is still playable.

I find the legacy system very interesting, and I wish that other devs would consider these types of roleplay options in the future for their games.

The groupfinder tool in theory was important, but it seems like no one uses it.

The other aspects mentioned in the article I can't really comment on since I never really bothered with the rakhgoul event and I am not particularly interested in getting an OP'ed bot companion.

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12/27/12 9:08:11 AM#37


 "If going by that logic then Everquest must be a WoW rip off as well. "

Now that is a silly comment considering that Everquest original was released more than 4 years prior to wow, and even EQII was released around a month before also. 


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12/27/12 9:48:06 AM#38
I am not happy with this F2P model. Action bars??? REALLY? I have to pay for action bars. That alone tells me where their intentions lie. I'll wait and see if they give us action bars. If not, I'll keep playing other games.

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12/27/12 9:50:29 AM#39

Free to play was the WORST change for THIS YEAR.

If the game was decent enough, the $15 fee would not have been an issue. None of the stuff that got added to SWTOR was decent enough.

The Legacy and Group Finder should have been in at launch. HK-51 and events are the only good things, but the events seem to have now stopped with the Cartel Market.

Where is all the content to make KOTOR 3-9 and beyond? If they had all that content, and released something worthwhile from it each month, people would have kept subbing. Then when the content dried out, then make the game F2P, if needed.

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12/27/12 10:51:58 AM#40

Everyone who is complaining about SWTOR is just an entitled sperglord.

Im having loads of fun and it's a blast to play it after it went F2P.

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