I dont do WvW anymore, you know why? What's the point?

I used spend hours so that my server climbs up the ladder and meet stronger and better opponents. I used to defend a castle for hours dying multiple times and paying a lot of repairs so that my faction will control the castle...

Then one day I woke up and asked myself? Whats the point?

As my server goes up the ladder and as me and myguildmates spend many hours and lots of gold on this cause what do we get back? Don't tell me you get more benefits for your server as you get higher points. The benefits are almost negligible. Maybe 2% more crafting xp boost and 2% more gold from monster.

I just spend 4 hours  defending that castle last week, what was the reward for me or my guild? Did my guild get a reward for defending our castle? No, we actually lost a lot of gold buying siege engines and repairing. Maybe we won a little karma but thats it...

Now the biggest catch, what do we do when we go Wvw now? me and coupel friends just hop from one instance to another just capping the supply camps for karma, sometimes we cap undefended castles too, but dont defend it. It all turned into a big zerg around the map capping as many things in a little time and let them get capped by the enemy so u can cap them again.

At one point it was 3 big zergs of 3 servers going clockwise around the battleground just capping everything and not defending so the next group can capture it. Why defend it? whats the reward? Karma farming with a group of opposite faction is much faster, everyone is sarting to do this now...

(edit: before ppl say u get points for defending too, NO, its just a small fraction of what you would get if you were capturing it. and also its still bugged, I can stay inside the castle for hours and maybe get 1 out of 3 or 4 defense rewards)

I cant stand Guild Wars 2 but why does there need to be a point? Isnt the point of playing games to have fun. If your not having that then I guess the game is not for you.

What's the point? To have fun maybe.

Why do you play games in general? Most likely becuase you find it entertaining.

I know I still have a blast in WvW. Running around with guild groups and taking on massive numbers. That's always been the part of larger scale pvp I found fun. Being outnumbered and coming out as the winner.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly
I did it for the entertainment value. Never really was about the reward factor for me. Suppose it depends on what you expect to gain far as how much or for how long you will enjoy WvW.

This ^

A baffling thing to think about, is if you take the OP's mentallity and apply it to ANY other genre, it doesn't make sense. So why with MMOs?

Why do MMOs have to have rewards for everything? Why the carrot? Heck, do you play TF2 for the hats? Do you play BF3 for the upgrades, and then put it down once you got the upgrade u want? Do you play skyrim for the epic axe of badassery, and then quit once you have it?

Seriously, whatever happened to playing games for fun? There are games for those that want an endless reward dispenser (D3, Borderlands 2, TL2, etc.) and honestly, I find each and every one of them to get boring fairly quick. I have far more fun playing game after game of Natural Selection 2, or Starcraft, or Planetside 2, or Civ 5, etc. etc. etc. all of which provide barely any reward outside of the knowledge that I either played well or poorly. But that's part of the fun, isn't it? Taking it upon yourself to tackle challenges, and trying to triumph against greater odds.

WvW may be 'pointless', but It's rare that I have as much fun as I do trying to defend stonemist from 3x as many invaders. I don't fight wars for magic underpants, I fight them to try and win.

Originally posted by cagan

I dont do WvW anymore, you know why? What's the point?

I used spend hours so that my server climbs up the ladder and meet stronger and better opponents. I used to defend a castle for hours dying multiple times and paying a lot of repairs so that my faction will control the castle...

Then one day I woke up and asked myself? Whats the point?

As my server goes up the ladder and as me and myguildmates spend many hours and lots of gold on this cause what do we get back? Don't tell me you get more benefits for your server as you get higher points. The benefits are almost negligible. Maybe 2% more crafting xp boost and 2% more gold from monster.

I just spend 4 hours  defending that castle last week, what was the reward for me or my guild? Did my guild get a reward for defending our castle? No, we actually lost a lot of gold buying siege engines and repairing. Maybe we won a little karma but thats it...

Now the biggest catch, what do we do when we go Wvw now? me and coupel friends just hop from one instance to another just capping the supply camps for karma, sometimes we cap undefended castles too, but dont defend it. It all turned into a big zerg around the map capping as many things in a little time and let them get capped by the enemy so u can cap them again.

At one point it was 3 big zergs of 3 servers going clockwise around the battleground just capping everything and not defending so the next group can capture it. Why defend it? whats the reward? Karma farming with a group of opposite faction is much faster, everyone is sarting to do this now...

(edit: before ppl say u get points for defending too, NO, its just a small fraction of what you would get if you were capturing it. and also its still bugged, I can stay inside the castle for hours and maybe get 1 out of 3 or 4 defense rewards)

You can ask yourself "what's the point to <insert subject here>?".  Everything has a point whether its for fun, necessity or to reach another point / target. Life itself doesnt seem to have a point regardless of your status in society.  Change your attitude to how and why you do something, it can be surprisingly refreshing.

Originally posted by cagan

Then one day I woke up and asked myself? Whats the point?

 

if you ask yourself that you might quit MMO's alltogether....it's a endless cycle, untill they pull the plug.

Originally posted by Muke

Originally posted by cagan

Then one day I woke up and asked myself? Whats the point?

 

if you ask yourself that you might quit MMO's alltogether....it's a endless cycle, untill they pull the plug.

Exactly, any game is there for entertainment. No game will ever have that real filling award to it, simply because it is just a bunch of pixels.

i played gw2 for about a month..lvld and crafted it was great fun..but after that it became dull ..so dull that i havent logged in sence..and when i do try to logg in when im bored i get to my chars screen and stare at it for a min and just *pift* why bother..its just a hampster wheel nothing grabs me in this game..its now just a empty shell of what people thought was gonna be a new standerd of mmo.....wich im glad its totally not...i cant wait till something good comes out..but then again the genra could be already pretty much dead and peaked out too fast...i never did the WvW wich is odd cuz i love pvp but i dont care for pvp that has no risk no reward involved

Originally posted by KingJiggly

Originally posted by Muke

Originally posted by cagan

Then one day I woke up and asked myself? Whats the point?

 

if you ask yourself that you might quit MMO's alltogether....it's a endless cycle, untill they pull the plug.

Exactly, any game is there for entertainment. No game will ever have that real filling award to it, simply because it is just a bunch of pixels.

i think he means what most of us old gamers think..whats the point..you can log into gw2 and sit in / near a camp and just finish your adjective without doing anything...whats the point of even logging in ..no real quests to work towards ..no real gear factor to work towards...no real rewards that are rewarding enuff to even play for ...im sry but there is a big majority of ppl out there that like to have a sence of feeeling that the mmorpg that you play is the same reason you log on is to work towards something..there just isnt anything there in gw2

Originally posted by odinsrath

Originally posted by KingJiggly

Originally posted by Muke

Originally posted by cagan

Then one day I woke up and asked myself? Whats the point?

 

if you ask yourself that you might quit MMO's alltogether....it's a endless cycle, untill they pull the plug.

Exactly, any game is there for entertainment. No game will ever have that real filling award to it, simply because it is just a bunch of pixels.

i think he means what most of us old gamers think..whats the point..you can log into gw2 and sit in / near a camp and just finish your adjective without doing anything...whats the point of even logging in ..no real quests to work towards ..no real gear factor to work towards...no real rewards that are rewarding enuff to even play for ...im sry but there is a big majority of ppl out there that like to have a sence of feeeling that the mmorpg that you play is the same reason you log on is to work towards something..there just isnt anything there in gw2

Sorry, i am not part of your gen gaming. I have 150 hours into gw2 and my engi is only lvl 55. I am working towards finishing the story. One thing I recomend is take your time through the game. Follow some of the dynamic events, they all tell a story and sometimes even rather sad ones. Like one I did was to save a traveling noble woman who gets captured by bandits, and ofcourse I help her escape, and then I find out she is there because her husband died and she abd her child couldnt afford divinties reach. S they were forced to leave, and they were headed to lionsarch to start over. Little stories like this can take up a lot of time, and I feel are worth playing.. 

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by Wickedjelly
I did it for the entertainment value. Never really was about the reward factor for me. Suppose it depends on what you expect to gain far as how much or for how long you will enjoy WvW.

This ^

A baffling thing to think about, is if you take the OP's mentallity and apply it to ANY other genre, it doesn't make sense. So why with MMOs?

Because the one thing that sets MMOs apart from other games is the persistent world filled with a persistent virtual society.

While it need not be a "reward" in the conventional sense, it should have a point.  It should have a meaning beyond just killing pixels.  It's one of the few games in which PvP actually CAN have meaning, but game developers fail in their design to give it that meaning.

They spend enormous amounts of money to make a virtual world, then do everything they can to make it as meaningless as possible.  That's the main problem with MMOs these days.

There's no real progression once you hit 80 GW2, that's the problem. Not in PvE and not in PvP.

Originally posted by Rohn 

Because the one thing that sets MMOs apart from other games is the persistent world filled with a persistent virtual society.

While it need not be a "reward" in the conventional sense, it should have a point.  It should have a meaning beyond just killing pixels.  It's one of the few games in which PvP actually CAN have meaning, but game developers fail in their design to give it that meaning.

They spend enormous amounts of money to make a virtual world, then do everything they can to make it as meaningless as possible.  That's the main problem with MMOs these days.

It does have a point for some as it is. Hell, I would argue that some are really only invested in this game for the WvW at this point.

Originally posted by sketchy_

What's the point? To have fun maybe.

Why do you play games in general? Most likely becuase you find it entertaining.

I know I still have a blast in WvW. Running around with guild groups and taking on massive numbers. That's always been the part of larger scale pvp I found fun. Being outnumbered and coming out as the winner.

And fun is subjective. While some people don't care for progression and rewards in PVP but others do? why not create a balance for both type of players? no side is better or more entitled than the other because there is not just one way to have fun in an MMO.

From your posts it sounds as if your way of playing the game is the only fun way.