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  LadyEuphei

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OP  12/24/12 3:11:48 PM#1

Previously reported was the elite edition losing their perminent mounts. Snail games gave them 85 extra gold plus an additional 20 gold for an apology. Eventually Snail games was convinced to give the mount back to the players. They also left the 105 extra gold in the packages. This is nice if your an elite player.

Since this news now the deluxe edition members are in an uproar. The value of their package has dropped greatly in comparision to the elite package and they paid twice as much is their argument. The elite and deluxe players are in an all out forum war over these developements.

Elites are saying, "You get access to beta you deserve nothing else" and Deluxe say "we paid twice as much we just want equal to what you guys got"

What do you think is fair?

  rojoArcueid

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12/24/12 3:25:24 PM#2
my opinion here... if you pay 10 bucks for beta access, and i pay 20 bucks for the same beta acces, i should get more extras than you because i payed more for the same beta. If thats not the case then why even bother paying 20? 

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  parrotpholk

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12/24/12 3:27:49 PM#3
Everyone knew the perks when they gave up their CC number.  You had the information in front of you to make an informed decision.
  LadyEuphei

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OP  12/24/12 4:13:25 PM#4
Originally posted by parrotpholk
Everyone knew the perks when they gave up their CC number.  You had the information in front of you to make an informed decision.

I bought neither option, not my thing. I just find the war interesting in a buisness point of view. How can you make someone pay twice as much as someone else and than give more to the person that paid less and expect them to be ok with it? I think this whole situation will get blown out of proportion because the way it is being handled is short sighted. I was just wondering what others thought of the situation.

  st4t1ck

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12/24/12 4:17:06 PM#5

you get what you paid for, the people that paid 10$, paid a month ago, they got what was advertised. they were fighting to get back what they paid for.  the 20$ package was different, and was the only one offered this time around, it also stated that elite players get everything that delux got. on top of what they already had..

Elite players are rewared for taking that leap of faith a month ago

  LadyEuphei

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OP  12/24/12 4:28:27 PM#6
Originally posted by st4t1ck

you get what you paid for, the people that paid 10$, paid a month ago, they got what was advertised. they were fighting to get back what they paid for.  the 20$ package was different, and was the only one offered this time around, it also stated that elite players get everything that delux got. on top of what they already had..

Elite players are rewared for taking that leap of faith a month ago

An interesting point of view being explored on the forums. Would you not say that prepurchasing a game in beta is always a leap of faith? As I read it as well there were originally deluxe exclusives, which then got turned into elite and deluxe exclusives. This sounds kinda messed up.

  st4t1ck

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12/24/12 4:32:17 PM#7
Originally posted by LadyEuphei
Originally posted by st4t1ck

you get what you paid for, the people that paid 10$, paid a month ago, they got what was advertised. they were fighting to get back what they paid for.  the 20$ package was different, and was the only one offered this time around, it also stated that elite players get everything that delux got. on top of what they already had..

Elite players are rewared for taking that leap of faith a month ago

An interesting point of view being explored on the forums. Would you not say that prepurchasing a game in beta is always a leap of faith? As I read it as well there were originally deluxe exclusives, which then got turned into elite and deluxe exclusives. This sounds kinda messed up.

i didnt hear anything about deluxe exclusives.  the first time i read it on thier page it said elite members get upgraded to all the things of the deluxe package.  and yes every beta paid for is a leap of faith, but as every beta passes more and more information is out to decide if its something you wanna do.

  Biskop

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12/24/12 4:34:18 PM#8
People need to stop behaving like spoiled children and get some perspective. They chose to spend the money, knowing full well what they were getting. Crying because someone else got a better deal just makes you look stupid.
  Gormok

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12/24/12 4:42:33 PM#9
I agree with the DE guys there is no way that package should cost more with less perks than the Elite edition. I do not care how many months in advance it was purchased. That's like saying if I bought a standard edition of MMO X for 49.99 I get all kinds of exclusive perks. Than a collector's edition comes out for $150 and people buy it, only to find out they get less but paid more, and on top of that the perks they get will be added to the standard edition. Now how is that fair and where is the value in the CE outside of a chance at beta. I always thought the whole pay to get into beta for a game that is going to be free-to-play was bit on the fishy side. I have never seen this with a free-to-pay game, buy to play yeah and many subbed based games since you have to actually buy a box. But never in my 10 years have I seen this with an Asian free-to-play, but you know what they say "a sucker is born everyday" and Snail games seems to have snagged their suckers.
  LachyFTW

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12/24/12 4:47:28 PM#10
Age of Wushu is a decent MMO and really fun to play BUT the company behind is too out of touch with it's customers, I chose to get a refund because I expect to get much worse.
  Yaevindusk

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12/24/12 4:53:00 PM#11

 

I'll probably be staying away from this game and the people who handle it.  This just seems like a red flag to me and may be indicative of how they handle problems in the future.

 

When faced with strife or discontent, the true nature of a man is brought forth. It is then when we see the character of the individual. It is then we are able to tell if he is mature enough to grin and bare it, or subject his fellow man to his complaints and woes.

  Gormok

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12/24/12 4:53:08 PM#12
Originally posted by LachyFTW
Age of Wushu is a decent MMO and really fun to play BUT the company behind is too out of touch with it's customers, I chose to get a refund because I expect to get much worse.

To be honest I hate open world pvp games. My 1st couple hours I thought the game was boring and slow, but I stuck with it for the whole 10 hours and find it to be very addicting, not enough to drop 20 bucks for a beta. However I can see it keeping my attention as long as they do not start selling power on the CS. Other than that I log on and spend my 1 hour training my internal skill.

  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

12/24/12 5:00:07 PM#13

Its a stupid waste of time to fight over. 9 out of 10 games these deluxe packs are put on sale anyways later on for much cheaper price. Or offered at a discount bundle when they are trying to suck more players in. Or just wait for the cash shop to offer them ;)

 

Give the DE guy a little extra and call it even, but the company did screw up there.

But i think people are off the wall paying an extra 20-60 for a digital mount or some item you can only use for a limited time lol.

  vgamer

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12/24/12 5:01:31 PM#14
I think it's a nice gesture to the elite players. I can understand the delux players point of view though and in hindsight, it might not be the smartest move of snail games. We'll see how they handle this though; remember it's a holiday for most of us so things will go slower., it's too premature to mark them as the next bliiz-activision., maybe they'll also give something to the deluxe players.
  LadyEuphei

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OP  12/24/12 5:30:31 PM#15
Originally posted by vgamer
I think it's a nice gesture to the elite players. I can understand the delux players point of view though and in hindsight, it might not be the smartest move of snail games. We'll see how they handle this though; remember it's a holiday for most of us so things will go slower., it's too premature to mark them as the next bliiz-activision., maybe they'll also give something to the deluxe players.

I have no doubt that they wll do something for the deluxe. They are too vocal and some of the elite are supporting the movement. Seems easy enough to just even out the rewards or something. I just can not figure out with so much bashing and anger on their forums no one is moderating or saying, "We are on holiday but this will be brought up soon please be patient" I have also sadly observed mods commenting on less....volatile subjects. They are obviously avoiding getting burned.

  LadyEuphei

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OP  12/24/12 5:31:16 PM#16
lol sry quoted myself

  Bloodlust221

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12/24/12 5:34:48 PM#17
i have faith in them, i am sure they will compensate deluxe buyers aswell
  User Deleted
12/24/12 5:38:08 PM#18

The main issue that I had was that the permanent mount was removed (and now returned) to Elite purchasers. 

The Elite Edition was a limited time opportunity for early adopters to invest in a game they couldn't even play yet.  The reward should be high for these people.  The Deluxe Eidition is currently for sale and said rewards are clearly stated.  There is no room to complain about the price difference because of the circumstances surrounding the sale.  Elite was very early for those who wanted to invest early.  There was a hard cut-off point when they would no longer be available.  The benefits were lucrative to get the attention of players and get them to pay.  These early adopters have and should be rewarded.

  st4t1ck

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12/24/12 5:49:13 PM#19
Originally posted by Gormok
I agree with the DE guys there is no way that package should cost more with less perks than the Elite edition. I do not care how many months in advance it was purchased. That's like saying if I bought a standard edition of MMO X for 49.99 I get all kinds of exclusive perks. Than a collector's edition comes out for $150 and people buy it, only to find out they get less but paid more, and on top of that the perks they get will be added to the standard edition. Now how is that fair and where is the value in the CE outside of a chance at beta. I always thought the whole pay to get into beta for a game that is going to be free-to-play was bit on the fishy side. I have never seen this with a free-to-pay game, buy to play yeah and many subbed based games since you have to actually buy a box. But never in my 10 years have I seen this with an Asian free-to-play, but you know what they say "a sucker is born everyday" and Snail games seems to have snagged their suckers.

Its not the same thing at all.. there is no "only to find out". they new what the elite edition was and they did not purchase it, they now know what the deleuxe edition is and they purchased it. they new what they were getting.

the problem was with them taking something away from the elite edition.

 

  LadyEuphei

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OP  12/24/12 5:50:56 PM#20
Originally posted by Roxtarr

The main issue that I had was that the permanent mount was removed (and now returned) to Elite purchasers. 

The Elite Edition was a limited time opportunity for early adopters to invest in a game they couldn't even play yet.  The reward should be high for these people.  The Deluxe Eidition is currently for sale and said rewards are clearly stated.  There is no room to complain about the price difference because of the circumstances surrounding the sale.  Elite was very early for those who wanted to invest early.  There was a hard cut-off point when they would no longer be available.  The benefits were lucrative to get the attention of players and get them to pay.  These early adopters have and should be rewarded.

As they have been, I just see a lack of buisness ethics selling one product for half as much as another and than later pumping up the original product to make the second more expensive package look even worse in relation. This was a ill thought out buisness move and they really should have thought about it in my opinion. I can see both sides points. Elites want more cause they are earlier adopters, but deluxe paid more. If you think about it monetarily, there is probably more money in the deluxe players than the elite.

I find it interesting that people that purchased elite like you find it an unfair idea if the company gave the exact same package but charged twice as much. What is so unfair you both get the ame thing but they paid more, you stil won.

But that is not what it is about, is it? It is about establishing a gap between elite and all else. It is about being better than everyone else because you did X, right? Then I think you hit a problem with the deluxe should feel entitled because they donated more and you should feel entitled cause you donated first. At this point seems to me that you are both entitled and should just have the same stuff.

I personally do not find the deluxe edition a good value and would never consider purchasing it, even more so after recent events. I just find it telling that the elite are really trying to make an elite only community and the snail games is letting it happen. This game will have alot of trouble in the coming weeks if this mind set continues. 

I do not know about you, but I am not going to pay 20 bucks to be worse than someone else that paid 10, but maybe thats me.

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