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  Gishgeron

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Joined: 3/05/07
Posts: 1297

12/22/12 10:44:11 PM#41
Originally posted by ShortyBible
Originally posted by YojimboBimbo
What most of us should of done shorty.

I am sure many players who wanted to try the game, and encountered numerous problems, have probably just uninstalled it.

I wish them well with the F2P  and Steam Greenlight.

Should be quite entertaining.

 

 

    I wouldn't put in hope in the greenlight.  Ignoring the fact I doubt many players will support it, there is the whole recent War Z debacle that is, very likely, going to put the breaks on any new greenlights for a bit while Valve make 100% certain any game passed delivers all that it promises it does.  The whole situation was a blemish on Steam, albeit a slight one.  However slight, I would imagine Valve takes its position as a market leader in that field seriously enough to really dig deep on these greenlights more now.

 

  Also, I've read people in this thread say that this site is nothing but hate.  That is untrue, and, in fact, this site is an excellent source of material for really getting a picture of what a game is.  You just have to read both extremes and shoot for the middle.  The thing is, every site is gonna have horsecrap posted.  People are always gonna skew the results.  BUT this site takes a few steps against it and it has enough users that you get a pretty even spread.  All you have to do is shunt off the outliers and you get a pretty accurate graph of the game and its success each time.

  Toferio

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/26/09
Posts: 1461

12/23/12 5:03:50 AM#42
Originally posted by Gishgeron
Originally posted by ShortyBible
Originally posted by YojimboBimbo
What most of us should of done shorty.

I am sure many players who wanted to try the game, and encountered numerous problems, have probably just uninstalled it.

I wish them well with the F2P  and Steam Greenlight.

Should be quite entertaining.

    I wouldn't put in hope in the greenlight.  Ignoring the fact I doubt many players will support it, there is the whole recent War Z debacle that is, very likely, going to put the breaks on any new greenlights for a bit while Valve make 100% certain any game passed delivers all that it promises it does.  

I am pretty sure that War Z had nothing to do with greenlight, it got released witthout having to pass through it.

  oreal52

Novice Member

Joined: 11/27/08
Posts: 77

12/23/12 5:08:00 AM#43

I wonder this game still exists :)

 

  Gwahlur

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/28/11
Posts: 197

12/23/12 4:34:23 PM#44
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gwahlur
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gwahlur
Originally posted by GrayGhost79

It's a bad company through and through. No talent and horrid leadership. 

You take all the ameturish moves and behavoir on top of all the shady moves and behavoir and you get what you have today, A game that had a lot of promise in its conceptual stage but simply didn't have a group behind it that could deliver. 

They would not have lied, cheated, and stole from their players.

I thought this site was about promoting mmorpgs, but this kind of slander and sabotage of mmorpgs and the people making them is okey somehow?

Slander? They deleted an entire city on accident durring a patch then refused to replace all the items and gear that players lost after they fell through the world and died because of it. Are you saying this did not happen?

 

They automatically set up for a autorenewing subscription when they pre-ordered the game and many didn't find out until months after they quit. 

 

There simply is no need for slander when it comes to SV and MO. They have done an epic job over the years given tons of examples documented throughout the web to draw upon to back up posts like the one you quoted. 

 

City disappeared from a patch, and I'm sure you have been programming complex programs for long enough that you could never have made a mistake.

 

Autorenewing was an unfortunate way of dealing with accounts and subscriptions, agree.

 

Problem is, you're not backing up anything, and you're not talking about anything present. You're stuck in the past for some reason. What is your mission here? Shutting down MO right, because when the fun ended there for you noone else is allowed to have fun with it either? The persons who tried to make a game that you actually liked and played for a long while are such bad persons you want their dream-project to burn and them to burn in hell right? An inexperienced company making noob mistakes is such a travesty that you want them shut down, and the only job they should be allowed to have from now on is being chained to a big wheel right?

 

Why? is it that you're so set on getting SV shut down? Why aren't you all up in arms about something important, like companies making weapons, making cluster bombs, poisoning rivers, cutting down the rainforest, something that actually matters in the big scheme of things?

I have been programing in both C++ and Java for many years now. I am proficient with 3DSMax, Blender, Maya, and Zbrush. The last year or so I started using 3DCoat as well (Excellent Program). I also have a great deal of other programs under my belt as well as a great deal of experience in various game engines. I have been working on a project for a little over a year now. And with all of that, no I have never made such a mistake. 

 

My goal? It is to voice my opinion, what is yours? 

 

As far as why aren't I all up in amrs about something important? May I ask the same? You spend a great deal of time ardently defending MO rather than defending something of importance. 

 

 

Yeah, everybody's a rocket scientist on the internet.

 

My goal is to one day play the game they're trying to make. No, I don't play now, no i have nothing to do with SV, and no, I've never played except during open beta and once more on a trial account.

 

And 10 minutes is a great deal of time? Compared to how much time you guys spend here I don't think so ;)

  GrayGhost79

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4889

12/23/12 7:27:50 PM#45
Originally posted by Gwahlur
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gwahlur
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gwahlur
Originally posted by GrayGhost79

It's a bad company through and through. No talent and horrid leadership. 

You take all the ameturish moves and behavoir on top of all the shady moves and behavoir and you get what you have today, A game that had a lot of promise in its conceptual stage but simply didn't have a group behind it that could deliver. 

They would not have lied, cheated, and stole from their players.

I thought this site was about promoting mmorpgs, but this kind of slander and sabotage of mmorpgs and the people making them is okey somehow?

Slander? They deleted an entire city on accident durring a patch then refused to replace all the items and gear that players lost after they fell through the world and died because of it. Are you saying this did not happen?

 

They automatically set up for a autorenewing subscription when they pre-ordered the game and many didn't find out until months after they quit. 

 

There simply is no need for slander when it comes to SV and MO. They have done an epic job over the years given tons of examples documented throughout the web to draw upon to back up posts like the one you quoted. 

 

City disappeared from a patch, and I'm sure you have been programming complex programs for long enough that you could never have made a mistake.

 

Autorenewing was an unfortunate way of dealing with accounts and subscriptions, agree.

 

Problem is, you're not backing up anything, and you're not talking about anything present. You're stuck in the past for some reason. What is your mission here? Shutting down MO right, because when the fun ended there for you noone else is allowed to have fun with it either? The persons who tried to make a game that you actually liked and played for a long while are such bad persons you want their dream-project to burn and them to burn in hell right? An inexperienced company making noob mistakes is such a travesty that you want them shut down, and the only job they should be allowed to have from now on is being chained to a big wheel right?

 

Why? is it that you're so set on getting SV shut down? Why aren't you all up in arms about something important, like companies making weapons, making cluster bombs, poisoning rivers, cutting down the rainforest, something that actually matters in the big scheme of things?

I have been programing in both C++ and Java for many years now. I am proficient with 3DSMax, Blender, Maya, and Zbrush. The last year or so I started using 3DCoat as well (Excellent Program). I also have a great deal of other programs under my belt as well as a great deal of experience in various game engines. I have been working on a project for a little over a year now. And with all of that, no I have never made such a mistake. 

 

My goal? It is to voice my opinion, what is yours? 

 

As far as why aren't I all up in amrs about something important? May I ask the same? You spend a great deal of time ardently defending MO rather than defending something of importance. 

 

 

Yeah, everybody's a rocket scientist on the internet.

 

My goal is to one day play the game they're trying to make. No, I don't play now, no i have nothing to do with SV, and no, I've never played except during open beta and once more on a trial account.

 

And 10 minutes is a great deal of time? Compared to how much time you guys spend here I don't think so ;)

Sorry, I think you misunderstood me. I know nothing about rocket sceince. I rarely pop over on to the MO forums because it's rarely in the news feed unless they've have made another asinine move. When they do I pop back over like others to see what recent debacle is going on so I'm sure you are here defending the game a great deal more than I am here critisizing it lol. 

  Gwahlur

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/28/11
Posts: 197

12/24/12 10:24:23 AM#46
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gwahlur
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gwahlur
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Gwahlur
Originally posted by GrayGhost79

It's a bad company through and through. No talent and horrid leadership. 

You take all the ameturish moves and behavoir on top of all the shady moves and behavoir and you get what you have today, A game that had a lot of promise in its conceptual stage but simply didn't have a group behind it that could deliver. 

They would not have lied, cheated, and stole from their players.

I thought this site was about promoting mmorpgs, but this kind of slander and sabotage of mmorpgs and the people making them is okey somehow?

Slander? They deleted an entire city on accident durring a patch then refused to replace all the items and gear that players lost after they fell through the world and died because of it. Are you saying this did not happen?

 

They automatically set up for a autorenewing subscription when they pre-ordered the game and many didn't find out until months after they quit. 

 

There simply is no need for slander when it comes to SV and MO. They have done an epic job over the years given tons of examples documented throughout the web to draw upon to back up posts like the one you quoted. 

 

City disappeared from a patch, and I'm sure you have been programming complex programs for long enough that you could never have made a mistake.

 

Autorenewing was an unfortunate way of dealing with accounts and subscriptions, agree.

 

Problem is, you're not backing up anything, and you're not talking about anything present. You're stuck in the past for some reason. What is your mission here? Shutting down MO right, because when the fun ended there for you noone else is allowed to have fun with it either? The persons who tried to make a game that you actually liked and played for a long while are such bad persons you want their dream-project to burn and them to burn in hell right? An inexperienced company making noob mistakes is such a travesty that you want them shut down, and the only job they should be allowed to have from now on is being chained to a big wheel right?

 

Why? is it that you're so set on getting SV shut down? Why aren't you all up in arms about something important, like companies making weapons, making cluster bombs, poisoning rivers, cutting down the rainforest, something that actually matters in the big scheme of things?

I have been programing in both C++ and Java for many years now. I am proficient with 3DSMax, Blender, Maya, and Zbrush. The last year or so I started using 3DCoat as well (Excellent Program). I also have a great deal of other programs under my belt as well as a great deal of experience in various game engines. I have been working on a project for a little over a year now. And with all of that, no I have never made such a mistake. 

 

My goal? It is to voice my opinion, what is yours? 

 

As far as why aren't I all up in amrs about something important? May I ask the same? You spend a great deal of time ardently defending MO rather than defending something of importance. 

 

 

Yeah, everybody's a rocket scientist on the internet.

 

My goal is to one day play the game they're trying to make. No, I don't play now, no i have nothing to do with SV, and no, I've never played except during open beta and once more on a trial account.

 

And 10 minutes is a great deal of time? Compared to how much time you guys spend here I don't think so ;)

Sorry, I think you misunderstood me. I know nothing about rocket sceince. I rarely pop over on to the MO forums because it's rarely in the news feed unless they've have made another asinine move. When they do I pop back over like others to see what recent debacle is going on so I'm sure you are here defending the game a great deal more than I am here critisizing it lol. 

Check my post history ;)

 

But yeah, I do the same thing, pop by here when something special that might actually make a difference, and lead to me actually being able to play the game they've wanted to make, is going on.

 

I'm having big trouble understanding why you guys are actively trying to sabotage them and have no understanding of the difficulties any company in their position would go through, and seeing as I still want to play the game they've described, your interests and mine are kind of directly in opposition

  Lahuzer

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Joined: 5/07/09
Posts: 685

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12/24/12 10:41:25 AM#47

Gwahlur, just give up on em. They won´t change. They´ve made it to a living doing everything in their power to make SV look bad. It IS sad to see how some people here want a small company like SV to fall over. The world need more companies like SV that at least are TRYING to do something unique. OK, they aren´t always successfull, and it don´t goes as fast as it does with AAA-titles. But still I love them for what they are trying to do. And no, we don´t always get along, and they make mistakes like we all do.

[mod edit] I´m enjoying both games right now, even if AV made SV look good there with their awfull communication before launch etc. Thank god they have step up now, and communicate more. But I think both these games have a place on the market, and I hope both succeeds cause the MMO-world needs them to. We don´t want more crappy themepark games. Or, I sure as hell don´t at least. People need to stop the hating, and play games they enjoy, and leave those they don´t like. Sure, express how much you hate em when you leave. But to stalk their forums for years is anything but healthy.

  User Deleted
12/24/12 10:49:19 AM#48
Get the game on track and they wont get reviews like this.
  Slapshot1188

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Joined: 5/06/07
Posts: 4190

 
OP  12/24/12 10:56:25 AM#49
Originally posted by coxyroxy
Get the game on track and they wont get reviews like this.

EXACTLY!!

 

Their problem is not reviews, their problem is that tens of thousands have actually tried the game (maybe 100k even?) but only a tiny tiny fraction still play.  That has nothing do do with bad reviews but everything to do with the poor state of the game, company and community.

 

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  argirop

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Joined: 6/05/09
Posts: 326

12/24/12 4:21:53 PM#50
Originally posted by Lahuzer

Gwahlur, just give up on em. They won´t change. They´ve made it to a living doing everything in their power to make SV look bad. It IS sad to see how some people here want a small company like SV to fall over. The world need more companies like SV that at least are TRYING to do something unique. OK, they aren´t always successfull, and it don´t goes as fast as it does with AAA-titles. But still I love them for what they are trying to do. And no, we don´t always get along, and they make mistakes like we all do.

[mod edit] I´m enjoying both games right now, even if AV made SV look good there with their awfull communication before launch etc. Thank god they have step up now, and communicate more. But I think both these games have a place on the market, and I hope both succeeds cause the MMO-world needs them to. We don´t want more crappy themepark games. Or, I sure as hell don´t at least. People need to stop the hating, and play games they enjoy, and leave those they don´t like. Sure, express how much you hate em when you leave. But to stalk their forums for years is anything but healthy.

You lost it right there. SV doesnt need help to look bad. And no gaming industry doesnt need more failed companies like SV. Enough is enough.

  raff01

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12/24/12 6:33:27 PM#51

When 90% of the people who tried the game say it blows, then there's a fair chance that it blows, hence bad reviews...

The solution to that is to make a good game, which has nothing to do wityh being themepark or sandbox.

  argirop

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12/25/12 7:03:05 AM#52
Originally posted by raff01

When 90% of the people who tried the game say it blows, then there's a fair chance that it blows, hence bad reviews...

The solution to that is to make a good game, which has nothing to do wityh being themepark or sandbox.

I think you ve being very generous concerning the 90%. But from the other hand its Christmas and you are allowed to be :D

  ShortyBible

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12/25/12 7:56:37 AM#53
Originally posted by Lahuzer

Gwahlur, just give up on em. They won´t change. They´ve made it to a living doing everything in their power to make SV look bad. It IS sad to see how some people here want a small company like SV to fall over. The world need more companies like SV that at least are TRYING to do something unique. OK, they aren´t always successfull, and it don´t goes as fast as it does with AAA-titles. But still I love them for what they are trying to do. And no, we don´t always get along, and they make mistakes like we all do.

[mod edit] I´m enjoying both games right now, even if AV made SV look good there with their awfull communication before launch etc. Thank god they have step up now, and communicate more. But I think both these games have a place on the market, and I hope both succeeds cause the MMO-world needs them to. We don´t want more crappy themepark games. Or, I sure as hell don´t at least. People need to stop the hating, and play games they enjoy, and leave those they don´t like. Sure, express how much you hate em when you leave. But to stalk their forums for years is anything but healthy.

Star Vault is exactly the type of company the world does not need. They have stoled, lied and committed fraud. As a consumer I am appalled that players even continue to support them.

I promise to stop in from time to time and warn other consumers about this unethical company.

http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415

  Heretix

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12/25/12 1:51:21 PM#54
Originally posted by ShortyBible
Originally posted by Lahuzer

Gwahlur, just give up on em. They won´t change. They´ve made it to a living doing everything in their power to make SV look bad. It IS sad to see how some people here want a small company like SV to fall over. The world need more companies like SV that at least are TRYING to do something unique. OK, they aren´t always successfull, and it don´t goes as fast as it does with AAA-titles. But still I love them for what they are trying to do. And no, we don´t always get along, and they make mistakes like we all do.

[mod edit] I´m enjoying both games right now, even if AV made SV look good there with their awfull communication before launch etc. Thank god they have step up now, and communicate more. But I think both these games have a place on the market, and I hope both succeeds cause the MMO-world needs them to. We don´t want more crappy themepark games. Or, I sure as hell don´t at least. People need to stop the hating, and play games they enjoy, and leave those they don´t like. Sure, express how much you hate em when you leave. But to stalk their forums for years is anything but healthy.

Star Vault is exactly the type of company the world does not need. They have stoled, lied and committed fraud. As a consumer I am appalled that players even continue to support them.

I promise to stop in from time to time and warn other consumers about this unethical company.

Sorry, but this is bullshit.  Starvault has provided myself and others a better gaming experience than any other company to date.  A small company has gone outside of the comfort zone most companies are afraid to leave to make a truly unique sandbox experience.  This is exactly what type of company that gamers like myself need: one that will actually make an enjoyable game rather than shallow copies of previous games.  Everyone has the information available to them what kind of company this is (small, indie), what type of game they are making (sandbox) and what type of client base they are selling it to (niche).  If you as a paying customer don't enjoy that sort of thing don't then don't support them with your money.  But when you come on here purposely spreading rotten propoganda and lies in an effort to make the game or company fail you are not only depriving prospective gamers of an experience that they might actually enjoy (running instances and battlegrounds stopped being fun long ago) but you are damaging the genre.

Last time I checked Starvault wasn't rolling in money, dumping sewage in rivers, selling weapons to terrorists, or punching kittens.  They actually have a product that people enjoy, moreso than most other products on the market.  Last time I checked Starvault has kept almost entirely to their vision and hasn't folded on their principles to appeal to a larger market even if their financials have been terrible.  A small company working for peanuts from zero knowledge is trying to create a game that many people want to see happen, and in its current state is far more enjoyable than 99% of games on the market.  This is far more ethical, and perhaps noble, then making recycled garbage like other companies.  The incompetance in the past has nothing to do with "ethics" and everything to do with inexperience.  Since the game is now FTP, let people make up their own minds.

  Biskop

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12/25/12 2:55:26 PM#55
@ Heretix

While I think most people applaud indie devs trying something new, there's an important difference between attempting to make something and actually succeeding at it.


SV had their chance, and the vast majority of all the people trying their game seem to agree that they failed at delivering a working product. And not only that, they also acted very shady and unprofessionally while failing.


There's no evil hater conspiracy driving these poor bastards into the ground - they alienated their players all by themselves. Sure, MO is different, but it's also a broken game run by amateurs. As gamers we are not obliged to support crappy companies just because they go off the beaten track. They also need to deliver a working game.
  Slapshot1188

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OP  12/25/12 2:59:43 PM#56
Originally posted by Heretix
  The incompetance in the past has nothing to do with "ethics" and everything to do with inexperience.  

How does intentionally going in and setting everyone who ever bought the game prior to launch, to auto-subscribe and then immediately starting their free month (which also automatically started) and subsequent subscription have anything do do with incompetence?  That is a very intentional (and in the minds of most folks UNETHICAL) decision which was made even though it was brought up to the company in advance.  These people did not sign up for a subscription, some simply bought the game for their kids.  The TOS in place at the time even said that you would have to manually select a subscription period and payment method before being charged.   The company broke their own TOS (or EULA I forget at this point)...

 

That is just one example of outright bad conduct that has NOTHING to do with inexperience but everything to do with intentional choices.  I could go on and on if you'd like, but let's not turn this into a thread on company ethics (I think we have more than enough in the history here).  Let's stay focused on the specific topic of the thread which is a developer urging his followers to make new accounts and go flood a site with "good" reviews. Even the (former?) StarVault business manager went and made one (or someone with his name) without identifying his position.  When a Gods and Heroes dev did a similar thing on these forums he was crucified.

 

 

 

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  deathshroud

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12/25/12 3:38:25 PM#57
agreed it was wrong of them to do this, even though they sent pout emails to warn people they would need to cancel their sub, that didnt make it ok. some people dont check their emails on a monthly basis.

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  Heretix

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12/25/12 5:45:00 PM#58
Originally posted by Biskop
@ Heretix

While I think most people applaud indie devs trying something new, there's an important difference between attempting to make something and actually succeeding at it.


SV had their chance, and the vast majority of all the people trying their game seem to agree that they failed at delivering a working product. And not only that, they also acted very shady and unprofessionally while failing.


There's no evil hater conspiracy driving these poor bastards into the ground - they alienated their players all by themselves. Sure, MO is different, but it's also a broken game run by amateurs. As gamers we are not obliged to support crappy companies just because they go off the beaten track. They also need to deliver a working game.

 

As I have stated in my previous posts, what your standards are to what is a working product differ from those who enjoy the game.  They have delivered a "buggy" game that people enjoy despite the bugs.  This "buggy" game has delivered what many companies have failed to deliver: a good game.  Yes it is a game run by amateurs, and amteurs learn from experience.  I don't think any of the devs had any or very little experience making games before starting the project, which is a recipe for failure: but they are still going at it, and it is getting closer to a functional and even more enjoyable product as the patches come out.  They are delivering what they can, and are showing progress towards a "mainstream" standard.  And again, as I have said, if you don't want to play a buggy indie game, then you ARE obliged to not support them by not paying.  What you ARE NOT obliged (not talking to you) to do is intentionally stalk a forum that people will visit if they are interested in trying an indie game and repeatedly bash/lie/slander the game so fervently that you are very probably denying others the opportunity to experience the game for themselves.  Its Free to Try, noone is wasting their money, and quite a few people very much enjoy the game for at least a few months.  I have met many new people since FTP was announced and consider the game a breath of fresh air compared to the mainstream.

  Heretix

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12/25/12 5:53:55 PM#59
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Heretix
  The incompetance in the past has nothing to do with "ethics" and everything to do with inexperience.  

How does intentionally going in and setting everyone who ever bought the game prior to launch, to auto-subscribe and then immediately starting their free month (which also automatically started) and subsequent subscription have anything do do with incompetence?  That is a very intentional (and in the minds of most folks UNETHICAL) decision which was made even though it was brought up to the company in advance.  These people did not sign up for a subscription, some simply bought the game for their kids.  The TOS in place at the time even said that you would have to manually select a subscription period and payment method before being charged.   The company broke their own TOS (or EULA I forget at this point)...

 

That is just one example of outright bad conduct that has NOTHING to do with inexperience but everything to do with intentional choices.  I could go on and on if you'd like, but let's not turn this into a thread on company ethics (I think we have more than enough in the history here).  Let's stay focused on the specific topic of the thread which is a developer urging his followers to make new accounts and go flood a site with "good" reviews. Even the (former?) StarVault business manager went and made one (or someone with his name) without identifying his position.  When a Gods and Heroes dev did a similar thing on these forums he was crucified.

 

 

 

 

 

When I made my first wow account in 2004 I was automatically placed on a monthly subscription.  In 2006 my WoW account was hacked into and despite all of the security procedures they were unable to retrieve my account for me.  I am also quite certain that my Age of Conan account was auto-subbed as well, but it was years ago so I forgot about it, usually when things happen over a year ago I forget about them.  My Diablo 3 character was hacked into and stripped of all his gear.

You act like things like this don't happen to any other game.  You really think Blizzard activated my sub intentionally?  What makes you so sure SV did this intentionally.  You are grabbing at straws.  Buggy shit happens to all online games, from the biggest companies to the small indie developers.  Mortal has had bugs that have persisted for a long time, and they've worked to get the systems in place to correct them.  A great deal many of the "Game-breaking" bugs from release and months after have been gone for a long time.  They are making progress.  The direction and communication of SV isn't always in-sync, but again, to say they are purposely corrupt or scamming people out a billing cycle is preposterous.

  Slapshot1188

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OP  12/25/12 6:02:11 PM#60
Originally posted by Heretix
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Heretix
  The incompetance in the past has nothing to do with "ethics" and everything to do with inexperience.  

How does intentionally going in and setting everyone who ever bought the game prior to launch, to auto-subscribe and then immediately starting their free month (which also automatically started) and subsequent subscription have anything do do with incompetence?  That is a very intentional (and in the minds of most folks UNETHICAL) decision which was made even though it was brought up to the company in advance.  These people did not sign up for a subscription, some simply bought the game for their kids.  The TOS in place at the time even said that you would have to manually select a subscription period and payment method before being charged.   The company broke their own TOS (or EULA I forget at this point)...

 

That is just one example of outright bad conduct that has NOTHING to do with inexperience but everything to do with intentional choices.  I could go on and on if you'd like, but let's not turn this into a thread on company ethics (I think we have more than enough in the history here).  Let's stay focused on the specific topic of the thread which is a developer urging his followers to make new accounts and go flood a site with "good" reviews. Even the (former?) StarVault business manager went and made one (or someone with his name) without identifying his position.  When a Gods and Heroes dev did a similar thing on these forums he was crucified.

 

 

 

 

 

When I made my first wow account in 2004 I was automatically placed on a monthly subscription.  In 2006 my WoW account was hacked into and despite all of the security procedures they were unable to retrieve my account for me.  My Diablo 3 character was hacked into and stripped of all his gear.

You act like things like this don't happen to any other game.  You really think Blizzard activated my sub intentionally?  What makes you so sure SV did this intentionally.  You are grabbing at straws.  Buggy shit happens to all online games, from the biggest companies to the small indie developers.  Mortal has had bugs that have persisted for a long time, and they've worked to get the systems in place to correct them.  A great deal many of the "Game-breaking" bugs from release and months after have been gone for a long time.  They are making progress.  The direction and communication of SV isn't always in-sync, but again, to say they are purposely corrupt or scamming people out a billing cycle is preposterous.

I said nothing about bugs.  Please research the exact situation I described in my post.  You will find it happened exactly as I stated.  Even Deathshroud who nobody can question as a really longtime supporter of the company acknowledges that these actions by the company were wrong.  So please stick to facts.  You can have your own opinion about how many bugs make a game unplayable.  You cannot rationally debate facts.  What I described is a FACT that the company did.  Quite different from what you describe from Blizzard, but by all means if you have a problem with them go let them know about it.   This didn't involve a hacker.  It involved a company making conscious decisions which many feel are unethical.

 

Again though, if you want to debate the ethical failings of SV please make a new thread.  This thread is to discuss the topic described in the OP.  As the creator of this thread I have to ask that if you want to continue your discussion please take it to a new thread.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

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