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  Celusios

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12/22/12 12:42:32 AM#121

I can kind of see where you're coming from in the perspective of some player who's looking for non-guilded route. I often times in games without chat bubbles find myself not even looking at the chat box.

Probably isn't even hard to add. However, I think you're FAR BETTER off putting this in the suggestions on the forums.

  Biskop

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Posts: 728

12/22/12 1:21:44 AM#122
Originally posted by Zyzra
Originally posted by Biskop

This discussion is absurd. People are actually arguing against socializing options in an MMO, claiming they get in the way of "doing stuff".

Sometimes the DF community makes me think more of a MOBA than an MMO.

It isn't that they're against all socialization options in every MMO, but that this particular one doesn't work with this particular MMO.

For instance, would you want a webcam image of your actual self floating over your head and updating in real time?  I mean this could help socialize because people could put a character name to a real face and see you laughing at jokes.  So it can't be bad right?  Unless you're one of those MOBA community people.

Yeah, throw in some random straw man bs and hope it will make up for your lack of arguments.

Who's asking for shit like that? Chat bubbles is a common MMO feature and it helps communication between random strangers, which helps build relations within the game and promotes the social part of this Massive Multiplayer game.

You shouldn't have to check the constant spam of the global chat window just to converse with the person in front of you.

 

  Bossalinie

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Posts: 606

12/22/12 2:07:36 AM#123

Let me get this straight...

If I am a head hunter, and decide to use chat bubbles to spot individuals out (a tremendous advantage might I add), how do my victims turning on/off their chat bubble in their clients affect me at all? Whether you have yours on or off doesn't change that fact mine is on and I'm using them to gain an advantage on your location.

Unless you are telling me that the option people are requesting for is to enable/disable their chat to/from being seen in bubbles in other player's clients, isn't that the kind of 1up advantage in a PVP MMO that AV is trying to prevent?

Can you imagine what it would even be like, not to mention to programming headache,  if that option was available? I got 4 guys in from of me talking but only 2 are giving me chat bubbles...

  Biskop

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12/22/12 2:51:15 AM#124
@ bossalinie

In this type of game chat bubbles should only be visible when someone uses local chat.

And tbh I don't think anyone in their right mind would be using local chat in pvp situations. Chat bubbles are more for idle chats in safe areas, trade, etc.

If you want to be sneaky and hide your position you shouldn't be chatting, but use vent and/or whisper/group chat.
  hcoelho

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Joined: 5/01/08
Posts: 499

 
OP  12/22/12 9:48:44 AM#125
Originally posted by Celusios

I can kind of see where you're coming from in the perspective of some player who's looking for non-guilded route. I often times in games without chat bubbles find myself not even looking at the chat box.

Probably isn't even hard to add. However, I think you're FAR BETTER off putting this in the suggestions on the forums.

Oooh but thats is done already. Not only by me.

 

  Zyzra

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Joined: 6/18/07
Posts: 363

12/22/12 12:47:01 PM#126
Originally posted by Biskop
Originally posted by Zyzra
Originally posted by Biskop

This discussion is absurd. People are actually arguing against socializing options in an MMO, claiming they get in the way of "doing stuff".

Sometimes the DF community makes me think more of a MOBA than an MMO.

It isn't that they're against all socialization options in every MMO, but that this particular one doesn't work with this particular MMO.

For instance, would you want a webcam image of your actual self floating over your head and updating in real time?  I mean this could help socialize because people could put a character name to a real face and see you laughing at jokes.  So it can't be bad right?  Unless you're one of those MOBA community people.

Yeah, throw in some random straw man bs and hope it will make up for your lack of arguments.

Who's asking for shit like that? Chat bubbles is a common MMO feature and it helps communication between random strangers, which helps build relations within the game and promotes the social part of this Massive Multiplayer game.

You shouldn't have to check the constant spam of the global chat window just to converse with the person in front of you.

 

So you are against a socialization option in an mmo.

I was merely using a very absurd example to show how your overgeneralization of social features and MMOs and gaming communities made it very easy for someone to rip apart such a statement, as I did.

And as I said, I think the actual situations where chat bubbles provide something worthwhile in darkfall will be staggeringly limited.  The game could just use /tell which has been around since before MMOs had graphics and get the same one on one effect.  Or a /say, also been around since the dawn of forever ago in gaming, for conversations with a couple people standing next to each other.

If you are talking to more than a couple people the chat bubbles could quickly overwhelm players views, or even other chat bubble views depending on how they are implemented.  This means people would probably once again have to use the chatbox.  With a dozen people in an area chatting in a local place with chat bubbles, it could quickly become difficult to determine who was talking or in what order.  Ah the benifits of a chatbox yet again.

And besides, it wasn't a straw man, because I mentioned a socializing option in an MMO, and that is what you are saying was absurd to argue against.  Then you argued against it so... :P

  Jakdstripper

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Posts: 2101

12/22/12 12:59:24 PM#127

i dont really care about chat bubbles....what i do care about is general chat....man it's horrible in DF right now.

they should REALLY, REALLY have only proximity, and clan/guild chat. nothing worse than being in the middle of the forest and watching the deluge of crap going on in General chat, all in CAPS of course cause that's just how the cool kids do it now....

....it's soo retarded.

  Biskop

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Joined: 10/06/11
Posts: 728

12/22/12 1:40:12 PM#128
@Zuzra

Your straw men consist in bringing in examples that has nothing to with my original argument, pretending that I must somehow argue for any conceivable socialization option just because I criticize those who argue against chat bubbles.

Sure, technically your examples are socializing options but they're absurd and hardly on the same level as chat bubbles, which are a common MMO feature since way back.

You're just trying to score some cheap rethorical points here, instead of discussing the issue at hand. You don't like chat bubbles, fine. That's why them being optional completely removes any suffering they would cause you - problem solved!

  Zyzra

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Joined: 6/18/07
Posts: 363

12/22/12 6:05:56 PM#129
Originally posted by Biskop
@Zuzra

Your straw men consist in bringing in examples that has nothing to with my original argument, pretending that I must somehow argue for any conceivable socialization option just because I criticize those who argue against chat bubbles.

Sure, technically your examples are socializing options but they're absurd and hardly on the same level as chat bubbles, which are a common MMO feature since way back.

You're just trying to score some cheap rethorical points here, instead of discussing the issue at hand. You don't like chat bubbles, fine. That's why them being optional completely removes any suffering they would cause you - problem solved!

 

I don't mind chat bubbles in a setting that makes sense to include them.  Edit: I don't really consider "MMO" to be a setting.

They seem to remind me of Comic Book style talking, you know where they tell tales of superpowered people doing heroic things.  There was this MMO once that had chat bubbles and a bunch of superheros, a whole city of them in fact.  Can't remember what it was called but they did chat bubbles that weren't bad because they fit the game.

I guess Aventurine could make the chat bubbles in this game nearly unreadable and dripping blood.  You know, because most of the rest of the game is broken or supposed to be hardcore.

Again, I had two points.  First was that generalizing statements (examples including "Everyone likes this..." or "Nobody does that..." or "All games include...") make a point easy to invalidate, as you saw with my absurd examples that did just that.  The second point I had was that chat bubbles specifically do not fit the setting of the game and could end up being a detriment overall depending on implementation.

Of course if everyone toggled them off they would (hopefully, AV after all) do no harm... but then why include them?

 

If every minority of players got their way, we might see things like psychadelic colored pony mounts in EVE that shot cupcakes at power rangers who were being attacked by Vegeta.  But don't worry, you can toggle it.

  Realbigdeal

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Joined: 9/28/08
Posts: 1636

12/22/12 11:42:33 PM#130

Guys listen.

Im in the beta forum and almost everyone likes the bubble chat suggestion. 6 pages already, a bunch of +1. few whiners with bad argument, even if you can turn it off. Only weak argument they got is obviously, immersion breacking and we all know thats bullshit.

So expect to see bubble chat cuz tasos is readying the beta forum. He posted a lot lately even in trreads not started by him.

Note:

most mmorpg members in here dont represent the DF community, so if they say that we dont want bubble chat, replace we with I please. Good night.

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  f0dell54

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Joined: 4/16/12
Posts: 311

Sanity....
It's for the weak.

12/23/12 12:18:41 AM#131
Originally posted by Elandir90
Originally posted by zymurgeist

I hate chat bubbles cluttering up the screen. Personal preference, nothing more.

Maybe the Aventurine people feel the same way.

Do you understand that Chat bubble is an OPTIONAL feature at least ? Aventurine could understand the same. 

 

 

 

That may be true but did you ever think that Aventurine just doesn't really give a shit. Maybe, just maybe, they made a game the way they wanted to make it. You know as the developers and all. Maybe someone doesn't want to cater to you.

 

That being said you want chat bubbles and they aren't offered, tough shit. Find a different game that has what you want or make your own game. Either way end this turd of a thread.

  hcoelho

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Joined: 5/01/08
Posts: 499

 
OP  12/23/12 12:27:44 AM#132
Originally posted by f0dell54
Originally posted by Elandir90
Originally posted by zymurgeist

I hate chat bubbles cluttering up the screen. Personal preference, nothing more.

Maybe the Aventurine people feel the same way.

Do you understand that Chat bubble is an OPTIONAL feature at least ? Aventurine could understand the same. 

 

 

 

That may be true but did you ever think that Aventurine just doesn't really give a shit. Maybe, just maybe, they made a game the way they wanted to make it. You know as the developers and all. Maybe someone doesn't want to cater to you.

 

That being said you want chat bubbles and they aren't offered, tough shit. Find a different game that has what you want or make your own game. Either way end this turd of a thread.

You guys are priceless. 

  Bossalinie

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Posts: 606

12/23/12 12:47:54 AM#133
Why? I mean is he wrong? Are chat bubbles not in DF:UA?
  Zyzra

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Joined: 6/18/07
Posts: 363

12/23/12 1:06:30 AM#134

I just find the Darkfall community members in favor of chat bubbles to really need to wake up.

They are asking Aventurine to code something into the game.  Generally a bad idea.

This would take manhours of work to do, which means less manhours for making the game fully functional.  Also a bad idea.

The addition of a toggle is another calculation for the server, which already has trouble doing basic addition for queues.  Very bad idea.

 

I'd suggest that people give Aventurine the years they need to get this sequel up to the level of the first Darkfall before asking for such a huge undertaking of the Aventurine staff.

  Warjin

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Posts: 1182

12/23/12 4:05:34 AM#135
Originally posted by Elandir90

It sounds silly, but for me chat bubbles is one of the most important features regarding players interaction. 

Without it i feel muted. It hinders player interaction and takes away the cities life. When you are out in the world its even worse, people don't usually mind the chat box at all. It evens make  swearing or boasting pointless after you kill an enemy. DF1 didn't have it, DF UW should have !!!! 

Played DF1 for some good months and rarelly talked to anyone besides guildmates or alliance members. But even inside those  "friendly grounds" communications was difficult. 

Chat bubbles is a simple feature, i hope they implement it this time. 

And no shinny name plates over our heads, in a FFA game you really don't want those things, unless you like having someone creep up on you because of your big mouth lol.

  Badaboom

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12/23/12 4:46:29 AM#136
Originally posted by Zyzra

I just find the Darkfall community members in favor of chat bubbles to really need to wake up.

They are asking Aventurine to code something into the game.  Generally a bad idea.

This would take manhours of work to do, which means less manhours for making the game fully functional.  Also a bad idea.

The addition of a toggle is another calculation for the server, which already has trouble doing basic addition for queues.  Very bad idea.

 

I'd suggest that people give Aventurine the years they need to get this sequel up to the level of the first Darkfall before asking for such a huge undertaking of the Aventurine staff.

That is silly logic.  Let's not suggest something that a lot of players want that wont effect the people who dont want it because AV sucks at implementing stuff.  It will take time to implement so until then, no suggestions should be offered up to improve the game. 

  Realbigdeal

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12/23/12 6:56:17 AM#137
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Zyzra

I just find the Darkfall community members in favor of chat bubbles to really need to wake up.

They are asking Aventurine to code something into the game.  Generally a bad idea.

This would take manhours of work to do, which means less manhours for making the game fully functional.  Also a bad idea.

The addition of a toggle is another calculation for the server, which already has trouble doing basic addition for queues.  Very bad idea.

 

I'd suggest that people give Aventurine the years they need to get this sequel up to the level of the first Darkfall before asking for such a huge undertaking of the Aventurine staff.

That is silly logic.  Let's not suggest something that a lot of players want that wont effect the people who dont want it because AV sucks at implementing stuff.  It will take time to implement so until then, no suggestions should be offered up to improve the game. 

We had some great patch lately and AV work around the clock. Everyday we get a patch with a bunch of changes. Also note that AV was working on their other game while we were playing DF 1.0 so dont compare how bad they were implementing stuff for DF 1.0

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  Badaboom

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12/23/12 8:45:48 AM#138
Originally posted by Realbigdeal
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Zyzra

I just find the Darkfall community members in favor of chat bubbles to really need to wake up.

They are asking Aventurine to code something into the game.  Generally a bad idea.

This would take manhours of work to do, which means less manhours for making the game fully functional.  Also a bad idea.

The addition of a toggle is another calculation for the server, which already has trouble doing basic addition for queues.  Very bad idea.

 

I'd suggest that people give Aventurine the years they need to get this sequel up to the level of the first Darkfall before asking for such a huge undertaking of the Aventurine staff.

That is silly logic.  Let's not suggest something that a lot of players want that wont effect the people who dont want it because AV sucks at implementing stuff.  It will take time to implement so until then, no suggestions should be offered up to improve the game. 

We had some great patch lately and AV work around the clock. Everyday we get a patch with a bunch of changes. Also note that AV was working on their other game while we were playing DF 1.0 so dont compare how bad they were implementing stuff for DF 1.0

I didn't write that clearly.  I don't agree with the above poster and just repeating what he was essentially saying.

  xzyax

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12/23/12 9:21:07 AM#139
Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Guys listen.

Im in the beta forum and almost everyone likes the bubble chat suggestion. 6 pages already, a bunch of +1. few whiners with bad argument, even if you can turn it off. Only weak argument they got is obviously, immersion breacking and we all know thats bullshit.

So expect to see bubble chat cuz tasos is readying the beta forum. He posted a lot lately even in trreads not started by him.

Note:

most mmorpg members in here dont represent the DF community, so if they say that we dont want bubble chat, replace we with I please. Good night.

 

And with that... there goes SEANMCAD's arguement out the window.  

So, we basically have the word of SEAN vs. the word of Realbigdeal.  Real says that a majority of players in the beta forums like the idea.  SEAN has said that he "knows" the majority of DarkFall players wouldn't like it, even though he can't really point to any evidence to back that statement up.

 

I think the players are speaking for what they would like to see.  Let's see if it makes a difference to the few who don't like the idea.  

  SEANMCAD

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12/25/12 9:08:55 AM#140
Originally posted by xzyax
Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Guys listen.

Im in the beta forum and almost everyone likes the bubble chat suggestion. 6 pages already, a bunch of +1. few whiners with bad argument, even if you can turn it off. Only weak argument they got is obviously, immersion breacking and we all know thats bullshit.

So expect to see bubble chat cuz tasos is readying the beta forum. He posted a lot lately even in trreads not started by him.

Note:

most mmorpg members in here dont represent the DF community, so if they say that we dont want bubble chat, replace we with I please. Good night.

 

And with that... there goes SEANMCAD's arguement out the window.  

So, we basically have the word of SEAN vs. the word of Realbigdeal.  Real says that a majority of players in the beta forums like the idea.  SEAN has said that he "knows" the majority of DarkFall players wouldn't like it, even though he can't really point to any evidence to back that statement up.

 

I think the players are speaking for what they would like to see.  Let's see if it makes a difference to the few who don't like the idea.  

and his evidence is exactly the same as mine isnt? please explain how me playing darkfall 1 and the vast majoirty of pepole I talked to thought the idea was laughable is different from his "evidence"

does your game have rainbow sprinkles and magic ponies!?

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