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  Smith6079

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OP  12/21/12 9:17:46 PM#1

Hello folks.  As a refugee from the recently defunct City of Heroes, I'm very interested in finding another game (a) that has a player class that focuses (partly or primarily) on providing group buffs and/or enemy debuffs, and (b) where such a class is either needed or at least considered desirable for basic group content and beyond. 

It seems that most games that allow buffer/debuffer roles in their group makeup ultimately render these roles irrelevent and undesirable because the other roles manage to get by fine without the extra support, and an extra DPS or healer ultimately provides more utility than the guy who buffs or debuffs.  I'm not complaining about these games, mind you.  I'm simply asking if there are games out there that do manage to maintain a need for buffs/debuffs even in the context of ubergeared tanks, healers and DPSers.

Any suggestions would be most welcome.  Thanks in advance.

  StonesDK

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12/21/12 9:57:31 PM#2
Sounds like you have to get back to some old school games like DAoC, EQ or Vanguard. Buff classes has gone the way of the Dodo just like crowd control classes sadly
  madazz

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12/21/12 10:31:06 PM#3
I honestly cant think of a modern MMO that has a debuff or buff role. Last game I played that had that option was DAOC, as far as I can remember at least....
  st4t1ck

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12/21/12 10:36:15 PM#4
hmm. closest thing i can think of to a buff/debuff role would be a Chanter in Aion.   they have a few debuff's like attack speed down. and a lot of buffs / off heals.  mixed with some dps... other then that, back towards ffxi with a few classes there (bard,rdm so on)
  Xiaoki

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12/21/12 10:57:53 PM#5

Rift has Support souls and thats probably as close you will get in the modern age.


But dont expect groups to beat down your door clamoring for you. Theres a reason most other MMOs have ditched the "Buff/Debuff" class role.

  Vorthanion

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12/21/12 11:06:06 PM#6
The Enchanter, Cleric, Druid, Bard and Shaman classes in EverQuest.  The Chanter class in Aion.  The Druid, Cleric, Friar, Bard, Minstrel and Skald in Dark Age of Camelot.  The Bard, Cleric, Druid, Blood Mage, and Shaman in Vanguard.  Can't really think of any modern games that focus on buffing / debuffing classes.

  Drakynn

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12/21/12 11:08:46 PM#7
The Burglar in LotRO is a buff/debuff class when specced and palyed properly.Or ti was last tiem I palyed before it went F2P
  Izik

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12/21/12 11:09:27 PM#8

Closest thing I can think of is Lotro.

Burglar is a Debuff/Group utility + Dps class. Captain is a Buff/Off-tank class.

  Sevenstar61

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"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 11:17:28 PM#9

EQ2. Bards - Troubadours or Dirges. Hands down.

 

Troubadours:

Debuffs

Encounter Debuffs

Constant Group Offense Buffs

Short Group Offense Buff

Short Single Target General Buff

Constant Group General Buffs

Constant Group Defense Buffs

Constant Raid Defense Buffs

Hate Control

Constant Self General Buffs

  • Stealth: Shroud (1)
  • Prevent AOE Melee/Ranged Attack: Singular Focus (1)
  • +AGI + Elemental, Arcane, Noxious mitigation, + base avoidance and mental damage on taking melee/spell damage proc: Daelis' Dance of Blades (13)

Constant Self Epic Buff

Misc

 
Dirge

Debuffs

Daze

Stun

Fear

Interrupt

Hate Control

Self Buffs

Single Target Buffs

Group Buffs

Short Duration Single Target Buffs

Short Duration Group Buffs

Resurrection


Misc

 
 


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Zarriya

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12/21/12 11:19:16 PM#10
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
EQ2. Bards - Troubadours or Dirges. Hands down.

also enchanters!

 

  Sevenstar61

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"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 11:25:13 PM#11
Originally posted by Zarriya
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
EQ2. Bards - Troubadours or Dirges. Hands down.

also enchanters!

 

Of course. Most of classes have buffs/debuffs too but not in that numbers.

 

Coercer

 

Crowd Control

Pet

Power

Hate Control

  • Reduce Hate vs Encounter/Teleport Encounter: Blink (15)

Dispel

Group Buffs

Single Target Buffs

 
Illusionist
 

Mesmerize

Stun/Stifle/Root

Threat Management

  • Hate Reduction/Teleport: Blink (15)
  • Hate Wipe/Limited Pets: Illusory Allies (55)
  • Minor Hate Wipe/Target Teleport: Phase (65)

Power Management

Persistant Buffs

Temporary Buffs

Melee Skill Debuff

Specialty

Invisibility

Vision

 


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  dave6660

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"Before I speak, I have something important to say."

12/21/12 11:26:21 PM#12
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Rift has Support souls and thats probably as close you will get in the modern age.


But dont expect groups to beat down your door clamoring for you. Theres a reason most other MMOs have ditched the "Buff/Debuff" class role.

And what is that reason exactly?

Debuffer role has always been my favorite.

"Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted."
-- Groucho Marx

  MMOdad72

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Joined: 12/21/12
Posts: 94

12/21/12 11:42:26 PM#13
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Rift has Support souls and thats probably as close you will get in the modern age.


But dont expect groups to beat down your door clamoring for you. Theres a reason most other MMOs have ditched the "Buff/Debuff" class role.

And what is that reason exactly?

Debuffer role has always been my favorite.

 

Agreed , I liked class roles of the sort. Enjoyed being both a support and mez/cc type character many times over the years.

  ice-vortex

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Posts: 946

12/21/12 11:59:56 PM#14
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Rift has Support souls and thats probably as close you will get in the modern age.


But dont expect groups to beat down your door clamoring for you. Theres a reason most other MMOs have ditched the "Buff/Debuff" class role.

And what is that reason exactly?

Debuffer role has always been my favorite.

The primary reason would be that they dumbed down their game. It is a lot harder for them to create encounters with classes that excel at crowd control and debuffing.

  Smith6079

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OP  12/22/12 12:01:47 AM#15
Thanks very much for the replies so far, folks!
  Nevulus

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12/22/12 12:10:26 AM#16
my hands-down favorite buff/debuff classes have been eq2 troub/dirge 
  Mardukk

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12/22/12 12:28:46 AM#17
Every game I play now I look for the buff/debuff/cc role. Unfortunately I'm running into a bunch games lately with 3 second fears and 4 second cc max...GD PvP balance. What I would give for a modern mmo that didn't hamstring itself in the name of PvP balance. Age of wushu claims to haves debuff and cc type classes...we will see.
  dave6660

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12/22/12 2:33:03 AM#18
Originally posted by Mardukk
Every game I play now I look for the buff/debuff/cc role. Unfortunately I'm running into a bunch games lately with 3 second fears and 4 second cc max...GD PvP balance. What I would give for a modern mmo that didn't hamstring itself in the name of PvP balance. Age of wushu claims to haves debuff and cc type classes...we will see.

Actually Age of Wushu claims to have "No classes or levels".

"Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted."
-- Groucho Marx

  ZombieKen

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12/22/12 2:43:10 AM#19
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Rift has Support souls and thats probably as close you will get in the modern age.


But dont expect groups to beat down your door clamoring for you. Theres a reason most other MMOs have ditched the "Buff/Debuff" class role.

 

When looking at classes in Aion, a player written document described the same thing about their Enchanter class.  Support classes are often seen as non-essential in tank-n-spank combat.

 

  Storman1977

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Posts: 208

12/22/12 2:46:27 AM#20
DDO has the bard as a buff/debuff class.  Also, there are wizards and sorcerors that specialize in buffing/debuffing and crowd control in DDO.

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