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  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

12/21/12 7:17:16 PM#41
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Just made one movie which is maybe a bit static but one of my favorites in SWTOR... so romantic and poetic and old fashioned...

Marriage on Voss - my Imperial Agent fell in love with Voss girl... or just using her as a way to get information... does not matter.... so he...... (video is a spoiler)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knrCaeuSdlc

Aye, I married the Voss too, pledged the 1000 year path, told her I loved her, pledged to follow her traditions, got her family to like me ..

 

Then went back to the ship and slept with Kaliyo, later dumped her and married Raina, but continued having mistresses around the galaxy.  Savior of the Universe, and bigot extraordinaire! :P

LOL... good times... though... I asked The Three to take a good care of my wife... so at least I support her... well... they support her... but they owe me /grin - so it's a win-win situation,  well... you know... if things get bad... at least one place in the  galaxy that you can go and have somebody who cares about you... I hope...

I am working right now on the favorite of yours... uploading... will post it in few minutes... /grin...

PS. What about Temple?

Here is my favorite IA quest line... I was crying at the end... :) - (spoiler)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7zimEBNkO8

PS. Karteli... if you ever consider playing SWTOR again maybe we would level some toons together... I bet it would be plenty of fun LOL....

Awesome video, thank you so much!!!  It is going into my video game favorite's collection.  WELL DONE!

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1594

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 7:19:51 PM#42
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Just made one movie which is maybe a bit static but one of my favorites in SWTOR... so romantic and poetic and old fashioned...

Marriage on Voss - my Imperial Agent fell in love with Voss girl... or just using her as a way to get information... does not matter.... so he...... (video is a spoiler)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knrCaeuSdlc

Aye, I married the Voss too, pledged the 1000 year path, told her I loved her, pledged to follow her traditions, got her family to like me ..

 

Then went back to the ship and slept with Kaliyo, later dumped her and married Raina, but continued having mistresses around the galaxy.  Savior of the Universe, and bigot extraordinaire! :P

LOL... good times... though... I asked The Three to take a good care of my wife... so at least I support her... well... they support her... but they owe me /grin - so it's a win-win situation,  well... you know... if things get bad... at least one place in the  galaxy that you can go and have somebody who cares about you... I hope...

I am working right now on the favorite of yours... uploading... will post it in few minutes... /grin...

PS. What about Temple?

Here is my favorite IA quest line... I was crying at the end... :) - (spoiler)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7zimEBNkO8

PS. Karteli... if you ever consider playing SWTOR again maybe we would level some toons together... I bet it would be plenty of fun LOL....

Awesome video, thank you so much!!!  It is going into my video game favorite's collection.  WELL DONE!

I am adding one more clip to the front of this video... I realized it needs more Hunter... uploating right now :)

 

PS. Let me know if you need any clips from IA quest line... I have them all on video /grin


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  FromHell

Novice Member

Joined: 11/10/12
Posts: 1338

12/21/12 7:53:55 PM#43

All these videos only prove one thing, Bioware´s cutscene director can´t even move a camera.

By the way the editing and cutting from one shot to the next is crazy, often misleading and breaks basic rules of how to work with camera angles quite too often. And yes I know what I´m talking about, I´m working with TV- and music video material, eight hours every day. 

SWTOR:

Every. Freakin. Shot. Is. STATIC. NO. CAMERA. MOVEMENT.

Funny how they brag about the whole "fourth pillar storytelling" and think they could get away with these lame static cutscenes.

There is only ONE way to do it worse, and that is the GW2 way.

 

Anyway, "static" is the one word which best describes SWTOR. Static questing, static cutscenes, static planets, static loading screens, static environmental lighting. I didn´t find anything "dynamic" about this game, sadly.

Secrets of Dragon´s Spine Trailer.. ! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwT9cFVQCMw

Best MMOs ever played: Ultima, EvE, SW Galaxies, Age of Conan, The Secret World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2X_SbZCHpc&t=21s
.


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The Return of ELITE !

  Sevenstar61

Elite Member

Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1594

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 8:08:23 PM#44

Upgraded  the video. Gives more hints now... sort of... I was still shocked though when I played it first time....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlyvyZtO8Eo

 

 


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1594

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 8:12:02 PM#45
Originally posted by FromHell

All these videos only prove one thing, Bioware´s cutscene director can´t even move a camera.

By the way the editing and cutting from one shot to the next is crazy, often misleading and breaks basic rules of how to work with camera angles quite too often. And yes I know what I´m talking about, I´m working with TV- and music video material, eight hours every day. 

SWTOR:

Every. Freakin. Shot. Is. STATIC. NO. CAMERA. MOVEMENT.

Funny how they brag about the whole "fourth pillar storytelling" and think they could get away with these lame static cutscenes.

There is only ONE way to do it worse, and that is the GW2 way.

 

Anyway, "static" is the one word which best describes SWTOR. Static questing, static cutscenes, static planets, static loading screens, static environmental lighting. I didn´t find anything "dynamic" about this game, sadly.

Go ahead and create something better.  Anything.

You don't have any idea what you are talking about... but I would not expect anything else.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Azarith

Novice Member

Joined: 1/19/04
Posts: 50

12/21/12 8:16:04 PM#46
I'd rather have a good MMORPG than one that spends it's whole budget on cinematics and voice acting... so hopefully not.
  FromHell

Novice Member

Joined: 11/10/12
Posts: 1338

12/21/12 8:17:55 PM#47
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by FromHell

All these videos only prove one thing, Bioware´s cutscene director can´t even move a camera.

By the way the editing and cutting from one shot to the next is crazy, often misleading and breaks basic rules of how to work with camera angles quite too often. And yes I know what I´m talking about, I´m working with TV- and music video material, eight hours every day. 

SWTOR:

Every. Freakin. Shot. Is. STATIC. NO. CAMERA. MOVEMENT.

Funny how they brag about the whole "fourth pillar storytelling" and think they could get away with these lame static cutscenes.

There is only ONE way to do it worse, and that is the GW2 way.

 

Anyway, "static" is the one word which best describes SWTOR. Static questing, static cutscenes, static planets, static loading screens, static environmental lighting. I didn´t find anything "dynamic" about this game, sadly.

Go ahead and create something better.  Anything.

You don't have any idea what you are talking about... but I would not expect anything else.

Am I Bioware? Do I have 300M Dollars to spend on an MMO? Silly proposal, tbh.

With a budget like this, even a shimpanzee with a funny hat could create a game that is less static. 

Secrets of Dragon´s Spine Trailer.. ! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwT9cFVQCMw

Best MMOs ever played: Ultima, EvE, SW Galaxies, Age of Conan, The Secret World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2X_SbZCHpc&t=21s
.


.
The Return of ELITE !

  Sevenstar61

Elite Member

Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1594

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

12/21/12 8:21:16 PM#48
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by FromHell

All these videos only prove one thing, Bioware´s cutscene director can´t even move a camera.

By the way the editing and cutting from one shot to the next is crazy, often misleading and breaks basic rules of how to work with camera angles quite too often. And yes I know what I´m talking about, I´m working with TV- and music video material, eight hours every day. 

SWTOR:

Every. Freakin. Shot. Is. STATIC. NO. CAMERA. MOVEMENT.

Funny how they brag about the whole "fourth pillar storytelling" and think they could get away with these lame static cutscenes.

There is only ONE way to do it worse, and that is the GW2 way.

 

Anyway, "static" is the one word which best describes SWTOR. Static questing, static cutscenes, static planets, static loading screens, static environmental lighting. I didn´t find anything "dynamic" about this game, sadly.

Go ahead and create something better.  Anything.

You don't have any idea what you are talking about... but I would not expect anything else.

Am I Bioware? Do I have 300M Dollars to spend on an MMO? Silly proposal, tbh.

With a budget like this, even a shimpanzee with a funny hat could create a game that is less static. 

It's easy to criticize.  It's easy to say oh, if I would have so much money I would do it better.

And I say it's BS. :). You would get as much hate about your creation from others as SWTOR is getting from you.

Cheers


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  grafh

Novice Member

Joined: 12/06/05
Posts: 309

12/21/12 10:40:42 PM#49
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by FromHell

 

Am I Bioware? Do I have 300M Dollars to spend on an MMO? Silly proposal, tbh.

With a budget like this, even a shimpanzee with a funny hat could create a game that is less static. 

It's easy to criticize.  It's easy to say oh, if I would have so much money I would do it better.

And I say it's BS. :). You would get as much hate about your creation from others as SWTOR is getting from you.

Cheers

Actually FromHell has a very valid point. I Enjoyed what they did with swtor till 50. then the game was trash. I enjoyed my sith inq cutscenes, but they are very static when compared to ffxi cutscenes, which include:

1) clear facial expressions

2) different shots. ex: medium shots, long shots, close ups, birds eye shots

3) camera movement. ex: camera panning left/right, tracking forword/backwards

4) editing techiniques such as wipes, fades, reaction shots, etc

When i compare that to starwars, looking at it from a mise en scene perspective, swtor falls flat in comparison. I say this not as a Fan or FF, because i am a fan of both FF and SWTOR, but i say this as someone who doing a logical, and theatrical perspective. Once you take a film class, you never look at things the same again. Even before i took the film class i still enjoyed what FF's cutscenes brought to the table over other games. Even with no voices, and it would always be the same, it still had more life to it that other games CS's

The 300m they spend was not well spent imo. To much on pointless things like voice acting and those cutscenes, when the rest of the gameplay was terrible. Its like spending 300mil to make a superman movie that was terrible, but people went to see if because it was superman..wait, that already happened..  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2gQo-0VW5c (ok maybe budget wasnt 300m, more like 209mil)

  Incomparable

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Joined: 3/11/11
Posts: 763

12/21/12 10:45:38 PM#50
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
I hope not.. All that insane amount of money for a few minute cinematic could be used towards the actual game. An area that Swtor badly needed work on.

It was a strong and large trade off. Its a good game... but for MMO players the trade-off was too much it seems.

“Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble”

  redcapp

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Posts: 733

12/21/12 10:49:33 PM#51
Hope not.  Resources should be allocated elsewhere.
  baphamet

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12/21/12 11:55:26 PM#52


Originally posted by grafh

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Originally posted by FromHell  

Am I Bioware? Do I have 300M Dollars to spend on an MMO? Silly proposal, tbh. With a budget like this, even a shimpanzee with a funny hat could create a game that is less static. 
It's easy to criticize.  It's easy to say oh, if I would have so much money I would do it better. And I say it's BS. :). You would get as much hate about your creation from others as SWTOR is getting from you. Cheers
Actually FromHell has a very valid point. I Enjoyed what they did with swtor till 50. then the game was trash. I enjoyed my sith inq cutscenes, but they are very static when compared to ffxi cutscenes, which include:

1) clear facial expressions

2) different shots. ex: medium shots, long shots, close ups, birds eye shots

3) camera movement. ex: camera panning left/right, tracking forword/backwards

4) editing techiniques such as wipes, fades, reaction shots, etc

When i compare that to starwars, looking at it from a mise en scene perspective, swtor falls flat in comparison. I say this not as a Fan or FF, because i am a fan of both FF and SWTOR, but i say this as someone who doing a logical, and theatrical perspective. Once you take a film class, you never look at things the same again. Even before i took the film class i still enjoyed what FF's cutscenes brought to the table over other games. Even with no voices, and it would always be the same, it still had more life to it that other games CS's

The 300m they spend was not well spent imo. To much on pointless things like voice acting and those cutscenes, when the rest of the gameplay was terrible. Its like spending 300mil to make a superman movie that was terrible, but people went to see if because it was superman..wait, that already happened..  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2gQo-0VW5c (ok maybe budget wasnt 300m, more like 209mil)


how is swtor's cut scenes any different from any of their other games?

people will exaggerate and complain about every single thing about this game and act like it is terrible from the ground up, because that's what they do.

i ignore opinions like that, that are clearly full of bias.

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12/22/12 12:05:26 AM#53

Voice-overs and Cut-scenes are fine, however a game shouldn't focus on just that.  They should be secondary goals.  Personally, if I was a developer, I'd use Voice-Overs and Cut-Scenes for important parts of the game; like a massive story arc.  Going full bore with them only causes the game to lack in other areas.  We need innovation, not failed WoW-clone #1200.

I like SWTOR, don't get me wrong, but it could have been done differently. (Preferably, not totally Themepark, and not Level-based Talent-Tree Boring-WoW-Like)

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12/22/12 12:09:37 AM#54


Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by birdycephon I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good.
Are you kidding? 99% dialogue scenes with static camera is what you call "very good cutscenes" ? It´s always the same gestures of two characters standing and talking.

 

this is what I call an example for "very good cutscenes" in an MMO

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FljWR8f1470

 


how many of those are in the game? is their 100's of cut scenes? is their a cut scene when you talk to every single NPC?

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12/22/12 3:44:44 AM#55
     I hope I never see cinamatics again..  I do NOT play subscription based mmorpgs to watch some cheesy pre-written cartoon cinamatics.. If I wanted that I'd go play KoTOR, Dragon Age, or Skyrim..  I pay to play to experience a dynamic fantasy world such as my days with pen and paper w/ dice..  NOT here to relive some child's story book with a keyboard.. No thanks..
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12/22/12 3:58:57 AM#56

Happy to see you fixed your sig, Sevenstar.

 

Anyway, and I realize this is subjective, I believe that TSW's cutscenes blew TOR out of the water.  Mute PC and all.

I will say that I enjoyed the bounty hunter story in TOR during my short stay.  But the most memorable cutscenes definately belong to TSW.

So as to the original question, I believe they already have been.

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12/22/12 4:11:34 AM#57
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by birdycephon

I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good.

Are you kidding? 99% dialogue scenes with static camera is what you call "very good cutscenes" ? It´s always the same gestures of two characters standing and talking.

 

this is what I call an example for "very good cutscenes" in an MMO

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FljWR8f1470

 

Personal taste and all that. I thought this was utter tripe. "drunkeness without drinking....?"

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12/22/12 4:15:59 AM#58

I think The Secret World has really good cutscenes! Some of the quests cutscenes are just amazing

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12/22/12 4:17:50 AM#59

SWToR has decent cutscenes, but the interactivity feels forced. For example:

A: Says X.

You get a choice of saying:

1. Agree

2. Be against

3. Insult

A: Says Y no matter what your choice was.

That only gets noticeable if you repeat conversations, but it really annoyed me. To put it in other words, the beginning and the end of conversations in most cases is the same. What you do inbetween has no effect. You can go ahead and insult your superiors all you like, they will just shrug it off.

 

That being said the op was asking about the cinematics, and they are truly awesome. I expect Blizzard will eventually surpass them with their next MMO, which will hopefully contain alot of them.

And yes im one of those getting annoyed with frequent cutscenes, but cinematics are a whole different thing, include as much of those as you want :D.

 

P.S.: Im not sure SWToRs cutscenes for every little thing are the way to go. There is a reason why SMS are more popular than video calls. Personally i think only the beginning of questchains should be a cutscene(but a bigger, more elaborate one instead) and all the small steps inbetween be done via text messaging or some little video in the upper left corner narrating what to be done next. Using a cutscene to essentially say "Thanks, now fetch me XY" is a waste imho.

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12/22/12 4:22:24 AM#60
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by birdycephon I agree, SWTOR cutscenes are very good.
Are you kidding? 99% dialogue scenes with static camera is what you call "very good cutscenes" ? It´s always the same gestures of two characters standing and talking.

 

 

this is what I call an example for "very good cutscenes" in an MMO

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FljWR8f1470

 


 

how many of those are in the game? is their 100's of cut scenes? is their a cut scene when you talk to every single NPC?

I belive there is hundreds of cutscenes yes. I imagine just the latest patch added 10-15 or more. The size varies ofcourse as in every game, but there are just tons of good cutscenes to watch if you like them. If I would guess id say there was almost 100 cutscenes in just the first zone if you take all the quests. 

Try it out and see for yourself

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