Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by botrytis
It is worth it and get it before Wintersday is over! Such a fun event. Tonight - the jumping puzzle!!

I'm yet to figure out why some people get so excited about jumping puzzles.  They aren't difficult.

 

Even EQ / WoW / single player games had jumping tasks.  It was a non-feature back then, and still is.  It was just ... there .. not even worth mentioning, hmm.

 Have you even seen it? It's gorgeous, challenging and fun. The amount of work that went into that... wow.

A lot of people have mentioned that they feel they got their money's worth out of the game.  Some of those people still love it and farm away, reroll, run holidays, do all the jumping puzzles, etc.  Others felt let down by the lack of any real endgame or overall shallowness.

It is probably worth the initial cost.  I would recommend against spending any additional money in on gems in the cash shop.  Eventually you will be able to farm gold and buy gems with it, then purchase what you want from the cash shop with those gems.  This could even extend the period of time the game remains fun (and goal driven) for you.

I'm of the opinion that the developers over promised and under delivered.  I played a character to 80, 100%'ed the map, finished the personal story and started working towards a legendary weapon.  I grew bored pretty quickly at that point.  However, I would never consider asking for a refund or anything like that.  I did receive an adequate number of hours of entertainment for the box price.

Originally posted by Nitth

 

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Originally posted by Volkon
I'm approaching 1000 hours played in this game and I still haven't come close to seeing or doing it all. No game will give you your money's worth like this one in my opinion.

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See, the issue i have with these statements is its a testament to ones conviction to keep playing.

Guild wars 2 is the same in every regard to almost any other mmorpg, You have a world to explore, And Npc interaction within that.

If i were so inclined, i could spend 100's of hours running around age of conan or tsw, or swtor or everquest ect looking at all the sites and interaction with npcs. All for FREE. same for pvp, Alot of fremium models offer pvp.

So, imo no, Not necessarily "the best game for your dollar" at $60.

 And the issue I have with your statement is that it leaves out a players enjoyement with its base argument.

All games, no matter what, requires a players "conviction" to keep playing, without it, no game can hold a player. The question is, what is that conviction based on? FUN? Other players? How the game is presented?

If we break all games down to their basics, everything is the same...but they are NOT. Go on and try to tell me World of Warcraft is exactly the same as...Anarchy Online...and that it is the same as SWTOR. Sorry bud, it dont work like that...so, imo no, your argument is not standing.

Go play Conan, its free...well, some of it is. Enjoy your updates every 3-4 months...well, part of them since most of it will be locked until you pay for it much like the best parts of the base game where in the end,you are paying FAR MORE to unlock 100% of the base game than you would be if you bought GW2.

For $60 you get 100% of Guild Wars 2 and 100% of its monthly updates, sure an expansion will come out maybe once a year that youll have to buy but until then, you get 100% of the game and when it comes down to it, the INDIVIDUALS tastes determins if the game is WORTH it or not.

Gw2 is only worth getting if you do not spend 1 cent in the gem store. GW2 gem store is a complete rip-off as you will find if you start playing the game.

For 60 dollars/euros (even less with the promotions) you have about 100 hours of interesting gameplay with your main character (this time can go up to 300 hours if you develop 1 or 2 alts).

After you reach level 80 (maximum now) the game becomes very very boring because there is no real end-game content worth the name. The World versus World PvP is a gold sink with no real rewards and the Structured PvP is unbalanced so if do not have the right character you will find yourself owned all the time.

Grinding open world events, dungeons and fractals is so boring that even the hardcore fanboys start to complain. The mobs item drop tables have been hugely nerfed in 15th November 2012, so now you play for hours without getting any worthy reward.

This has become so ridiculous that new characters can not gear themselves with mobs drops. Its is now normal to have, for example, a level 16 character with level 6-8 gear. As you can imagine, in a game so dependent from gear stats, even the weakest mobs of your level can own you if 2 of them attack you at same time.

At level 80, the only reason to keep playing this game is to get a legendary weapon skin that is very grindful to obtain and gives you no real edge in game excepts for looks. In my case I do not find it worth the time investment.

My best advice for you: Go to https://www.guildwars2.com/en/ and read the players threads. Be aware because the posts with more negative feedback (but truthfully) are buried inside merged threads or simply deleted. So, start reading the threads with [Merged] at the end of the thread title or try to read the threads they deleted (in light grey and crossed over) before they disapear altogether.

Best regards,

RJ

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Originally posted by jtcgs
And the issue I have with your statement is that it leaves out a players enjoyement with its base argument.

All games, no matter what, requires a players "conviction" to keep playing, without it, no game can hold a player. The question is, what is that conviction based on? FUN? Other players? How the game is presented?

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People can extrude the amount of time they play a game because they are really "get into it". For example the act of getting a legendary item requires alot of conviction from the player to do the tasks required to acquire the said item. That part is not necessarily fun either, but none the less keeps you playing with the promise of enjoyment at the end.

I'm sure there are a lot of people that have genuine fun in the game, But in context of he question "is gw2 worth it for the money" you cant argue that there would not be cheaper alternatives to do say; Whats above, or casual pvp / pve.

which ill refer back to what i said earlier to the OP "what do you want out of this game?"

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If we break all games down to their basics, everything is the same...but they are NOT. Go on and try to tell me World of Warcraft is exactly the same as...Anarchy Online...and that it is the same as SWTOR. Sorry bud, it dont work like that...so, imo no, your argument is not standing.

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Same with pvp, you could find a cheap and fun alternative if you wanted to pvp all day.

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Go play Conan, its free...well, some of it is. Enjoy your updates every 3-4 months...well, part of them since most of it will be locked until you pay for it much like the best parts of the base game where in the end,you are paying FAR MORE to unlock 100% of the base game than you would be if you bought GW2.

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As for content delivery cycles, gw2 is new. Who knows down the line they might have longer delivery cycles or weather they will monetize expansions in the cash shop.

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For $60 you get 100% of Guild Wars 2 and 100% of its monthly updates, sure an expansion will come out maybe once a year that youll have to buy but until then, you get 100% of the game and when it comes down to it, the INDIVIDUALS tastes determine if the game is WORTH it or not.

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Tsw offers 100% if its content for free now and thats actually chearp than gw2. However, The op is not content with that game. So.. we should probably find out what the OP is seeking in a game.

I would test the game out first. I really liked the game pre-launch and for a period after launch. Leveling yet another toon just wasn't my cup of tea the questing couldn't keep the game from feeling like a grind. If you want a game that is a good time to level through I would play SWTOR. The story will keep ya going and wanting more.

I'm a WoW fanboy so I'm hunky dorky with theme park games and grindy quests. GW2 presented it in such a way that just wasn't appealing after awhile.

I'm pretty disappointed to be honest.

It worth to get it only if you like f2p games disguised to b2p, you like to do repetitive events or endless map runs or, may be, you are excited by doing solo story line quests.

I feel like nerf started to be applied to this game, we slowly pushed to gem stores, we have less and less people at PvE (and only at some areas).

Or may be you can like long and challenging dungeons, keep in mind you need to spend sometime (depends on server) to get group and some gold for repair as we all die a lot inside.

PvP is sorta ok, seems to be repetitive as well and sorta pointless, as you don't get much as rewords.

Holiday events used to be way more fun at GW as they are at GW2, IMO again.

But all this is only my appreciations, may be you'll love it.
Anyway try to get trial account before spend 60$ and read official forum to see how happy players are now.

It's fun, just the box fee and no strings attached. It's top-notch quality and was well worth the box fee for me, even if you just get one character to 80 to see the story through and don't play it again. sPvP and WvW are games of and unto their own selves (love them or hate them), so it's kinda like getting 3 games in one.

That, and once you own it, you can always come back to it later.

Originally posted by Nitth

Tsw offers 100% if its content for free now and thats actually chearp than gw2

I admire your approach, fishing for potential converts in the opposition's forum.

It's by far the best bang for your buck MMO out. $50-$60 gives you full access to the game. There are hundreds of hours of content. It is one of the most polished MMO's out. 

It's about the only MMO that most agree is worth the purchase. 

I would say yes but this is my opinion so you'll have to make your own. 

For me GW2 offers pretty much everything I want out of an MMO and I dont have to worry about a pesky subscription to boot.

IMO it is not worth getting.

I played GW1 and loved logged 5years worth of play in it and still happily play it every now and again still.  GW2 I found very dull, my highest character got to lvl 25 I not it isnt very high and people have said the best of the game doesnt start until 40 but its to dull for words so have since deleted the game.

By all means try it first if you can and form your own opinion of it.  If i had tried before I brought it I would not of wasted my money but i believed alot of the hype and what had been written about it before hand. 

Originally posted by Karteli

Nobody knows your personal tastes, so any answer for "Yes" or "No" shouldn't matter a whole lot to you .. But ...

 

It's worth getting so at least you will know what people are talking about when they say Guild Wars 2 is anti-social, the Dynamic Events follow the same 3 or 4 cookie cutter designs, the worlds feel boxed in, crafting is pointless, there is no endgame, removing the trinity was a huge mistake, longevity problems with players not wanting to log back on, etc.

 

Maybe you'll have differing opinions, but it might be worth knowing whether or not you would ever want to play a game like it again (TESO anyone?), or if the MMORPG industry is sinking into bland single player games being mislabeled MMORPG's.

 

It will provide at least a couple dozen hours of playability (maybe more, again depending on your playstyle tastes), so it's somewhat cheap entertainment I suppose.  The seasonal events are alright if your off from work / school and bored.

lol gw2 being anti-social, yeah only for the people who are, Dynamic events sure, but they are at least better than all other MMO's, world feeling boxed, well I couldn't care less, crafting is nothing but pointless, no endgame is one of the best thing ever because endgame = endless threadmill grind, removing of the trinity isnt a huge mistake, putting the trinity like in all other MMO is the mistake, longevity problems yeah like every other MMO out there with people passing trought content in no time and the cry because the game doesn't offer much content.

Originally posted by Nitth

 

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Originally posted by jtcgs
And the issue I have with your statement is that it leaves out a players enjoyement with its base argument.

 

All games, no matter what, requires a players "conviction" to keep playing, without it, no game can hold a player. The question is, what is that conviction based on? FUN? Other players? How the game is presented?

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People can extrude the amount of time they play a game because they are really "get into it". For example the act of getting a legendary item requires alot of conviction from the player to do the tasks required to acquire the said item. That part is not necessarily fun either, but none the less keeps you playing with the promise of enjoyment at the end.

I'm sure there are a lot of people that have genuine fun in the game, But in context of he question "is gw2 worth it for the money" you cant argue that there would not be cheaper alternatives to do say; Whats above, or casual pvp / pve.

which ill refer back to what i said earlier to the OP "what do you want out of this game?"

 

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If we break all games down to their basics, everything is the same...but they are NOT. Go on and try to tell me World of Warcraft is exactly the same as...Anarchy Online...and that it is the same as SWTOR. Sorry bud, it dont work like that...so, imo no, your argument is not standing.

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No, not exactly. But you know as well as i do that what players DO in those worlds don't drastically change. which is why if you are content with killing boars, then it really doesn't mater which game you play.

 

Same with pvp, you could find a cheap and fun alternative if you wanted to pvp all day.

 

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Go play Conan, its free...well, some of it is. Enjoy your updates every 3-4 months...well, part of them since most of it will be locked until you pay for it much like the best parts of the base game where in the end,you are paying FAR MORE to unlock 100% of the base game than you would be if you bought GW2.

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You don't have to unlock those "optional extras" to have fun. Remember you havnt payed a dime for the stuff you can do, And there is ALOT to do, including pvp.

 

As for content delivery cycles, gw2 is new. Who knows down the line they might have longer delivery cycles or weather they will monetize expansions in the cash shop.

 

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For $60 you get 100% of Guild Wars 2 and 100% of its monthly updates, sure an expansion will come out maybe once a year that youll have to buy but until then, you get 100% of the game and when it comes down to it, the INDIVIDUALS tastes determine if the game is WORTH it or not.

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Tsw offers 100% if its content for free now and thats actually chearp than gw2. However, The op is not content with that game. So.. we should probably find out what the OP is seeking in a game.

GW2 is a better game than TSW.

And I like TSW.

But I log in, group with my GF and kill a mob. Pop-out "want, need, pass".

I jump and feel like a bat.

Why do I need to accept a mission to kill 6 zombies instead of just killing them?

Why do I need to keep spamming my builder?

Why does the combat feel clunky while GW2 combat feel so fluid?

Why does the entire world feel lifeless, with all the NPCs just standing and the mobs just being around?

Why does jumping make me feel like I'm a bat or something?

It would be worth it if ANet had left the game in it's original state or rather improved it from there.

But since they greatly messed up an already flawed product even more and likely seem to continue this trend, i would say wait for a discount or don't get it at all.

Most here are telling you a bunch of lies that only apply to their point of view

one even tells you the game is horrible cause there's no endgame LOL I had to laugh so hard at that one :D

What it boils down to is this:

are you a fan of vertical progression ? 

- if yes, this game is not for you, you're better of with one of a million wow clones out there flooding the market.

are you a fan of horizontal progression ?

- if yes, than this game will blow your mind you will not be able to stop playing.

are you a fan of the trinity ?

if yes, than don't bother buying it you will not enjoy it, again go play a wow clone and stand around going throuth rotations.

are you a fan of class roles ?

if yes, than Guild Wars 2 is the game for you, reacting to what is happening is the name of the game you never really know what will happen next time you enter a dungeon it's not as clear cut as follow steps 1,2,3.

I have spent over 800+ hours in this game already, if it was really a bad game I wouldn't even bother playing it for more than 20 hours.

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Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
GW2 is a better game than TSW.

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And I like TSW.

But I log in, group with my GF and kill a mob. Pop-out "want, need, pass".

I jump and feel like a bat.

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Why do I need to accept a mission to kill 6 zombies instead of just killing them?

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Why do I need to keep spamming my builder?

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Why does the combat feel clunky while GW2 combat feel so fluid?

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Why does the entire world feel lifeless, with all the NPCs just standing and the mobs just being around?

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Why does jumping make me feel like I'm a bat or something?

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Regardless, This isnt a Gw2 vs TSW discussion.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by Nitth

Tsw offers 100% if its content for free now and thats actually chearp than gw2

I admire your approach, fishing for potential converts in the opposition's forum.

Op seems to talk with forked tongue .....perhaps this quote came from TSW forums ?

Originally posted by Nitth

 

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Why does the combat feel clunky while GW2 combat feel so fluid?

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Oh you mean like how your always floating on air like your in the sound of music?

 

That's a rather odd thing to say... what do you mean floating on air?

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Why does the entire world feel lifeless, with all the NPCs just standing and the mobs just being around?

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The world is how you perceive it. Npc are there because people know where to go when they require something, Likewise in gw2 its the same deal the market vendor will all-ways be in the same place. Mobs will roam, but they will always have a vicinity.

 

Not necessarily true. Many vendors actually move about a good bit, with some not even becoming vendors until an event chain has completed, and then for a limited time.