How would i summarize Aventurine? hmm...
A small indie company that managed to create something so amazing and hard to make that other AAA companies wouldn't even dare to even think about.

Now with that said, they have also been really crap when it comes to communication. Right now though, they are doing great in beta, lets hope they can keep it up.

My only dealing with AV support was when they announced that the game was going F2P before they took off the servers, and I had just purchased 1 month subscription 2 days before that.

They replied promptly and gave back the money from the subscription. So no complaints from my side.

ALTHOUGH I do know of many bad experiences with their support team from others.

Originally posted by Thaliost

My only dealing with AV support was when they announced that the game was going F2P before they took off the servers, and I had just purchased 1 month subscription 2 days before that.

They replied promptly and gave back the money from the subscription. So no complaints from my side.

 

ALTHOUGH I do know of many bad experiences with their support team from others.

from what I've read about the past and what i have experienced so far I think they are improving as a company.  Especially when it comes to communication.  However there was a huge outcry for this so they sort of had to

I sum up AV as Schizophrenic.

I'm reading the beta forums and seeing these great communication efforts from Tasos...  all I can think is.... man did someone make this guy take his meds finally?

I say that because what I am seeing right now is so far different from what we have seen the last few years.  Really night and day.

Av is a small development team trying to please a  community filled with trolls, crybabies, liars, andd thieves. 

With the changes I have seen in this beta, the decision to re-launch  as a new game is going to be a good one.  The game has been re-imgined while remaining true to its core.  Doing this while re-using the already developeed IP.

I also think Tasos learned a lesson in software development.  Never think that risk is mitigated because you are using third party deliverables.  You always need interal QA checks on annyhting delivered from a 3rd party.  I won;t go into detailss but most of the bugs in beta have been directly related to this.

One word... Amatures.

I love the Darkfall Online concept, but do not feel that Aventurine can deliver and here is why...

I've been following Tacos and Aventurine for about a decade now.  Tacos reminds me a lot of what we know about Bill Gates except one thing... Bill Gates knew when to back off and in bring in the professionals that were going to take Microsoft to the next level.  Tacos on the other hand has to be the show and dictator on all things Darkfall.  Things have stooped so low at Aventurine, Tacos has even started blaming interns for things going wrong. 

I really do wish the best for the players.  They've waited a long time for Aventurine to get their act together with this project. 

Originally posted by Shannia

One word... Amatures.

I love the Darkfall Online concept, but do not feel that Aventurine can deliver and here is why...

I've been following Tacos and Aventurine for about a decade now.  Tacos reminds me a lot of what we know about Bill Gates except one thing... Bill Gates knew when to back off and in bring in the professionals that were going to take Microsoft to the next level.  Tacos on the other hand has to be the show and dictator on all things Darkfall.  Things have stooped so low at Aventurine, Tacos has even started blaming interns for things going wrong. 

I really do wish the best for the players.  They've waited a long time for Aventurine to get their act together with this project. 

You don't know what you are talking about.  Lets take a look at the "professionals":

• Look at FunCom games and how they are developed   and launched (AoC, AO).  These guys unlike Av literally faked in game footage and released it.  The introduced more content before the got the basic mechanics working.  These were AAA titles with hundreds of developers working on them.
• Look at VG and its development debacle. Again, this game would release features before basic game mechanics were functional.  I won't even go into the  fact they they refused to ban hackers until most of the population left. 
• As for Microsoft.  I work with Microsoft as a partner and they are  nothing close to proofessional.  I can list a litany of amature action they engage in.  Failure to define products, they won't give you project dealines at all, they will convince partners to put money on the line for a general date of release then postpone for a year.

Some perspecctive:

• Darkfall 1 - 11 Developers increasing to ~30 at launch
• Darkfall 2 UW - 55 Developers (last 4 months)
• Vanguard SOH - 150 employees
• Guildwars 2 - 250 Developers
• Wow (Blizzard) - 4,900 Employees

Obvioulssy the Blizzard number are not all wokring on WoW but the number is HUGE in comparisn to the Av team.  Unless you have tried to develop using limited resources just stop compaining.

Originally posted by BuniontToes

Originally posted by Shannia

One word... Amatures.

I love the Darkfall Online concept, but do not feel that Aventurine can deliver and here is why...

I've been following Tacos and Aventurine for about a decade now.  Tacos reminds me a lot of what we know about Bill Gates except one thing... Bill Gates knew when to back off and in bring in the professionals that were going to take Microsoft to the next level.  Tacos on the other hand has to be the show and dictator on all things Darkfall.  Things have stooped so low at Aventurine, Tacos has even started blaming interns for things going wrong. 

I really do wish the best for the players.  They've waited a long time for Aventurine to get their act together with this project. 

You don't know what you are talking about.  Lets take a look at the "professionals":

• Look at FunCom games and how they are developed   and launched (AoC, AO).  These guys unlike Av literally faked in game footage and released it.  The introduced more content before the got the basic mechanics working.  These were AAA titles with hundreds of developers working on them.
• Look at VG and its development debacle. Again, this game would release features before basic game mechanics were functional.  I won't even go into the  fact they they refused to ban hackers until most of the population left. 
• As for Microsoft.  I work with Microsoft as a partner and they are  nothing close to proofessional.  I can list a litany of amature action they engage in.  Failure to define products, they won't give you project dealines at all, they will convince partners to put money on the line for a general date of release then postpone for a year.

Let us not even talk about the non AAA guys like MO.

 

The reality  is that very few games succeed in the MMO sphere.  Av's practices are  somewhere in the middle and they are hugely understaffed.  While they occasional say some stupid stuff, they have done an amazing job witht he resources at hand.

If they are so unprofessional, why are you a Microsoft partner?  The OP asked us to summarize how we feel about Aventurine and I did.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I agree with you on Funcom.  As far as Sigil goes, that was a prime example of why Nepatism in a game studio is a very bad thing... I could be wrong, but an industry professional instead of in-laws may up a companies chance of success.

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by BuniontToes

Originally posted by Shannia

One word... Amatures.

I love the Darkfall Online concept, but do not feel that Aventurine can deliver and here is why...

I've been following Tacos and Aventurine for about a decade now.  Tacos reminds me a lot of what we know about Bill Gates except one thing... Bill Gates knew when to back off and in bring in the professionals that were going to take Microsoft to the next level.  Tacos on the other hand has to be the show and dictator on all things Darkfall.  Things have stooped so low at Aventurine, Tacos has even started blaming interns for things going wrong. 

I really do wish the best for the players.  They've waited a long time for Aventurine to get their act together with this project. 

You don't know what you are talking about.  Lets take a look at the "professionals":

• Look at FunCom games and how they are developed   and launched (AoC, AO).  These guys unlike Av literally faked in game footage and released it.  The introduced more content before the got the basic mechanics working.  These were AAA titles with hundreds of developers working on them.
• Look at VG and its development debacle. Again, this game would release features before basic game mechanics were functional.  I won't even go into the  fact they they refused to ban hackers until most of the population left. 
• As for Microsoft.  I work with Microsoft as a partner and they are  nothing close to proofessional.  I can list a litany of amature action they engage in.  Failure to define products, they won't give you project dealines at all, they will convince partners to put money on the line for a general date of release then postpone for a year.

Let us not even talk about the non AAA guys like MO.

 

The reality  is that very few games succeed in the MMO sphere.  Av's practices are  somewhere in the middle and they are hugely understaffed.  While they occasional say some stupid stuff, they have done an amazing job witht he resources at hand.

If they are so unprofessional, why are you a Microsoft partner?  The OP asked us to summarize how we feel about Aventurine and I did.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I agree with you on Funcom.  As far as Sigil goes, that was a prime example of why Nepatism in a game studio is a very bad thing... I could be wrong, but an industry professional instead of in-laws may up a companies chance of success.

 

Because OEM vendors hedge thier bets across multiple oeprating systems.  I  have worked on everythng from Microsoft, Android, QNX, Green Hiils, andd more.

Originally posted by BuniontToes

Some perspecctive:

 

• Darkfall 1 - 11 Developers increasing to ~30 at launch
• Darkfall 2 UW - 55 Developers (last 4 months)
• Vanguard SOH - 150 employees
• Guildwars 2 - 250 Developers
• Wow (Blizzard) - 4,900 Employees

 

Obvioulssy the Blizzard number are not all wokring on WoW but the number is HUGE in comparisn to the Av team.  Unless you have tried to develop using limited resources just stop compaining.

 

More perspective:

Miasmata - 2 developers, brothers in fact.  Game got largely positive reviews as well, with a better UI, graphics, and representation of their game.

Obviously the Darkfall UW number is HUGE in comparison to the Miasmata brothers, but AV still can't use their greater resources to produce something of quality.

Well, with Adventurine being a small company I'd like to believe they want to impress and deliver the best quality end product.

I'd like to think they will live and learn from Darkfall 1 ( The good and the bad ) and use that experience to further develope themselves.

It's not the dog in the fight, It's the fight in the dog right?

Originally posted by Zyzra

Originally posted by BuniontToes

Some perspecctive:

 

• Darkfall 1 - 11 Developers increasing to ~30 at launch
• Darkfall 2 UW - 55 Developers (last 4 months)
• Vanguard SOH - 150 employees
• Guildwars 2 - 250 Developers
• Wow (Blizzard) - 4,900 Employees

 

Obvioulssy the Blizzard number are not all wokring on WoW but the number is HUGE in comparisn to the Av team.  Unless you have tried to develop using limited resources just stop compaining.

 

More perspective:

Miasmata - 2 developers, brothers in fact.  Game got largely positive reviews as well, with a better UI, graphics, and representation of their game.

Obviously the Darkfall UW number is HUGE in comparison to the Miasmata brothers, but AV still can't use their greater resources to produce something of quality.

Mismata  is a  single player game wtritten on an existing game eengine.  To get an idea of the orders of complexity between this  and an MMO.:

• MMO game engine
• Server architecture
• Client  server syncronization
• Cleint security
• Sever security

Originally posted by Consensus

they are currently patching the beta everyday atm, and tasos is posting replies to feedback and questions on the forums.

they are really perking up as a comany in my eyes atm.

they are terrible at meeting etas but to be fair so are valve and alot of loved developers who actually have unlimited resources unlike AV.

Sounds good! What would you say about the game so far? Struggling with the thought, if I should buy it now and get into the beta -> play the game....

Originally posted by BuniontToes

Originally posted by Zyzra

Originally posted by BuniontToes

Some perspecctive:

 

• Darkfall 1 - 11 Developers increasing to ~30 at launch
• Darkfall 2 UW - 55 Developers (last 4 months)
• Vanguard SOH - 150 employees
• Guildwars 2 - 250 Developers
• Wow (Blizzard) - 4,900 Employees

 

Obvioulssy the Blizzard number are not all wokring on WoW but the number is HUGE in comparisn to the Av team.  Unless you have tried to develop using limited resources just stop compaining.

 

More perspective:

Miasmata - 2 developers, brothers in fact.  Game got largely positive reviews as well, with a better UI, graphics, and representation of their game.

Obviously the Darkfall UW number is HUGE in comparison to the Miasmata brothers, but AV still can't use their greater resources to produce something of quality.

Mismata  is a  single player game wtritten on an existing game eengine.  To get an idea of the orders of complexity between this  and an MMO.:

• MMO game engine
• Server architecture
• Client  server syncronization
• Cleint security
• Sever security

Each one of these is likely more complex than an entire single player game.

 

Now lets mention that yyour game was relased 2 weeks ago.  Not like you have mucfch time or expeure to even claim anyhtijng is  good or  not.

Well I may not have had much time, but last I looked its metacritic average was higher than any of the individual critic Darkfall 1 reviews on metacritic.

Also, yes they don't have multiplayer.  However did you know that Darkfall Unholy Wars has the advantage of being based on an existing game called Darkfall?  I mean maybe the adding of 'roles' in an expansion for an existing game and trying to fix a few bugs along the way requires the additional 50 employees or so, but I would struggle very hard to say with a straight face  that means the 55 people working on Darkfall UW did a better job than the 2 devs who have a functional game that is released.