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News & Features Discussion  » General: Smedley: MMOs 'Are Stagnant and Stuck in This Model'

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12/20/12 12:29:37 PM#21
We need more good sanbox mmorpgs. I'm glad companies are finally coming around to this, and HOPEFULLY, we'll start seeing them stop cloning. One thing I didn't like that he said though was Free to play...ugh...I've never played an mmorpg yet that has held my attention more than a month or two when it was a buy to play or free to play. I'd much rather a good subscription game. We'll have to see how it goes with EQ Next I guess.

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12/20/12 12:31:37 PM#22
Originally posted by Onomas
Originally posted by health001

3 things that are a must for eq 3


1 racial starting citys

2 omg large raids (make guilds compete)

3 the most important one ,TRAIN TO ZONE !



sandboxes dont have raids, thats a themepark feature to keep you content while they try to make more content.

i never said sand box in my statement O_o But if u want to go their then!! Both eq games had massive raids 100+ :) atleast eq 1 did .Nothing like having 2 or 4 rival guilds going after one raid boss :) man the chat spam alone shesh lol ,good times.Those where true stress tests on servers :D


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12/20/12 12:31:55 PM#23
Sorry. I didn't believe a single word of it as it came from Smegley. If that guy told me grass was green I would have to go outside and check it.


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12/20/12 12:33:26 PM#24
He does have a point that alot of people ask about any new mmo comeout is it p2p or f2p and most mmo develop try too find wat business model they prefer too take a risk on.

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12/20/12 12:33:48 PM#25

The fact that someone like Smedley makes such statement is an important thing for the genre and the community or at least its part that is fed up with current standard of MMOs which is so shallow and meaningless. It is the shift in preferences of this part of community that influences the producers to think differently when designing their games. This is a sign that the voice of this part of MMO community is heared and may be reflected.

Nevermind, keep blaming Smedley and ignoring the big picture which some people in this thread simply cannot comprehend.

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12/20/12 12:36:09 PM#26
I have a feeling this might be a good game, but the core everquest fan base will hate it for not being a raid grinder

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

12/20/12 12:36:27 PM#27

So sick of the F2P bandwagon seriously. The reason subs arent working is because the newer games suck lol.

Sandbox and F2P?

Dont know, just dont think it will work. Cant have restrictions on a sandbox and thats what F2P models do.


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12/20/12 12:37:07 PM#28
Originally posted by Tayah
We need more good sanbox mmorpgs. I'm glad companies are finally coming around to this, and HOPEFULLY, we'll start seeing them stop cloning. One thing I didn't like that he said though was Free to play...ugh...I've never played an mmorpg yet that has held my attention more than a month or two when it was a buy to play or free to play. I'd much rather a good subscription game. We'll have to see how it goes with EQ Next I guess.

Sadly F2P is here to stay ,it brings far more cash then sub fees ;/ but hopefully maybe it could be sub :) In the end it all comes down to smelly pleasing the share holders ;/


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12/20/12 12:37:32 PM#29
As someone that has been extremely critical of Smedley in the past, I think maybe he is finally opening his eyes and ears.   Maybe he finally sees that the MMO market has room for growth in the direction it was meant to be taken back in the day - when we had persistent game worlds and not theme parks.   Time will tell if he actually delivers on what he is saying - but I remain an optimist.    If he does turn SOE around and delivers better games in the future I will be the first to jump on the SOE bandwagon.   They did give US EQ and SWG, and SWG was one of my all time favorite MMO's.   Here is to hoping Smedley is not just telling us what we want to hear.


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12/20/12 12:42:37 PM#30

WHen you can start a new game, already know how to move, fight and pretty much everything else. There isnt alot of "newness" to anything. YOu quiclkly run out into the world and start your level grind, which you can get to lvl 10 in almost any MMO now in a hour or two, dont have to worry about death. Casue it doesnt mean anything. And away you go.


 Sounds fimiliar right? Like that last 5-10 "new" MMO's that have come out. We have adapted to the WoW style of game (which lets be honest, it was a great thing. AT THE TIME") But now they are all the same. We as gamers dont have to learn. Because we already know. Becuase MMO's are now main stream they have also become.....Friendlier? There is no risk anymore. RUn in. Die. Rez. No big deal.


Smead went from king of the castle with EQ. To being like the rest of us and watching the beast we know as WoW come in and dominate the market. We have then tried to copy that game. Over, and over, and over again....While some have been moderate sucess stories and otthers not so much. It has been the same mold.

 We are ready for something new, we want something new. But it will take someone with a BIG set of stones to do that. And will it has the same success as WoW? I dont think that we will ever see that again, and that could be a very limiting factor. The return on investment. MMO's have gone from people who loved RPG and going out on a limb and doing something that they love . To BIG buissness.


 People with a passion Vs Big money are two different beast. For us gamers it never seems to turn out well. So here is for crossing my fingers and wishing them well. Im not going to get my hopes up. But ill certainly been keeping my eyes open to this new game


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12/20/12 12:45:04 PM#31
I really hope 50% of what he said is true


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12/20/12 12:47:02 PM#32
Originally posted by Caldrin
Well after how well they have handled PS2 I am now looking forward to EQ:next quite a bit.. they have restored my faith in SOE.

Totaly agree with this.


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12/20/12 2:03:08 PM#33
I am not a big Smedley fan or even SOE for that matter, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Now whether he can produce what he is talking about is another matter.   The funny thing is he invented the existing themepark design with EQ.

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12/20/12 2:04:30 PM#34
Originally posted by evilastro
Smed is all talk. The proof is in the pudding, I will believe what he is saying when he releases some solid info / footage of EQNext.

110% this

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12/20/12 2:07:10 PM#35
Originally posted by Fendel84M
How great would it be with all the trash talk about SOE if they end up being the ones to bring back the sandbox on a large scale. The haters would be butt hurt to the extreme since they all vowed not to touch SOE ever again.

It would be one of the funnier things I've seen.  People loved their games, then hated them, maybe we are coming full circle.


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12/20/12 2:07:58 PM#36
Originally posted by superniceguy

MMOs are what SOE does, and now they no longer have SWG and its negative aura, SOE are starting to get their mojo back.

I am starting to think so too...


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12/20/12 2:08:03 PM#37

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12/20/12 2:24:53 PM#38

Looks like SOE has seen the light, at least partly, with the admission that the current themepark model doesn't work. The themepark model works for loads of players, plenty of people buy the games - but the customers don't like the games long enough to make the model work financially.

Cue in the sandbox appraoch. Sure, you get less players initially - but those you get play (and pay) for many more months.

Now, if only SOE would see the light too with their business model. Just make it a subscription game with a free trial and ditch all this F2P nonsense.


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12/20/12 2:34:08 PM#39
Really don't care what Smed or any marketing type has to say anymore.I'll wait  to be able to try the game and judge it on it's own merits myself.

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12/20/12 2:35:48 PM#40

We need Star Wars Galaxies again!

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