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  Latronus

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12/20/12 5:40:15 AM#61
Originally posted by Swanea

I personally feel so many people are lying to themselves and on this poll about voting NO.

I know there are a FEW who dislike the game but still wish it success and give active suggestions to improve it (and not SWG2!!!!!@!@!@!@@).  But so many people just post hate on it, that it's unreal No is winning.

I bet that most of those that want this game to fail are really mad because it isn't SWG2.  They just can't believe hat heir beloved game was shut down.  Another group want it to fail because it wasn't all or mostly free range space content and those need to watch the original movies because space was not the main emphasis of the story.  I guess that doesn't matter because the name is "Star" Wars so it shouldn't matter that most of the content happens on Planets.

  Loke666

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12/20/12 5:42:11 AM#62

I never wanted TOR to fail even if it isnt what I want in a SW game.

But I fear this is too late, the game was supposed to have 3 million players the end of this year (EAs prediction this spring) and now it have pretty few active players and is F2P.

I still hope they wont close it down though, but if this isnt a failure I dont know what is. It had a huge budget and at least some talented people on it but the game never had the good MMO feeling and neither did it give a pen and paper RPG feeling (like BW did before in NWN) so it just wasnt good enough.

  redcapp

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12/20/12 5:45:27 AM#63

"yes"

 

I don't want to see people lose their jobs.  I'm not happy that their game didn't live up to their own hype.  That said, I personally do not like the direction the genre is headed.  Story driven, voice-over acting as main selling points of an MMORPG isn't what it's all about for me.

 

So from a selfish standpoint, yes I want to see games like this be less successful and would like to see some new alternatives do well.

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

12/20/12 6:35:23 AM#64
Originally posted by Loke666

I never wanted TOR to fail even if it isnt what I want in a SW game.

But I fear this is too late, the game was supposed to have 3 million players the end of this year (EAs prediction this spring) and now it have pretty few active players and is F2P.

I still hope they wont close it down though, but if this isnt a failure I dont know what is. It had a huge budget and at least some talented people on it but the game never had the good MMO feeling and neither did it give a pen and paper RPG feeling (like BW did before in NWN) so it just wasnt good enough.

I agree

If companies were not so eager to shut down games, I would give SWTOR more of a chance, but after playing and paying SWG for 8 years, and they state both MMOs would co-exist, and then not, and then many exagerations to SWTOR like back in 2008 Bioware said they had enough content for KOTOR 3-9 and beyond. If that was the case, we should be swamped with content, and not recycling content from June 2012 again now for release as an expansion about Jun 2013. Then all the actions and announcements within BW/EA with layoff, the Doctors (founders) them selves vacating not only BW but gaming althogether, the merges and now F2P, all adds up to the game being on its last legs and wrapping things up before its closure, so that EA/BW can move on to better things, that will get them more money.

I do not have a crusade against SWTOR, I just fear shutdowns and do not trust the companys. SWTOR is a game I want to play. If it was successsful like LOTRO, Rift, WOW etc and I did not like it, then I would not be posting on these forums bashing it.  I don't particullary like GW2 and prefer SWTOR more, and I do not bash GW2. I don't want people to end up being gutted if it does close - it is not very nice. I also want BW to get off their backside and make something of SWTOR - it is not a single player game but a MMO, but as you say it seems too late.

  ShakyMo

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12/20/12 6:52:08 AM#65
Never mind swtor

I want ea to fail
  Nonderyon

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12/20/12 6:59:52 AM#66

According to  the Forum title:  - Yes

Why?

Because when they fail (hopefully learn about why they fail in SWG and SW:TOR) and maybe they can make a third star wars mmo game what is decent enought most of the people to play with it.

 

  apocoluster

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\m/,

12/20/12 7:05:47 AM#67
  Every game fails in time..ToR will probably be around for a while.

No matter how cynical you become, its never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin

  Hermod

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12/20/12 7:09:04 AM#68
A few bitter SWG player voting here
  ControlBlue

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12/20/12 7:18:52 AM#69

Voted 'yes'.

If the game and its F2P model fails, it will show the industry that F2P is not to be implemented with frustration of the customers in mind but with gaining their support.

For the good of the industry, the players, and F2P, SWTOR must, and is highly likely to,  fail!

  gogysb

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12/20/12 7:22:56 AM#70

yes!

why?

EA/Bioware made a good singleplayer game but a terrible mmorpg.

It had huge potential but ended up being subpar (cept the story gz writers)

They made little progress with patches in the given time and they keep asking for more time and more money. The engine is flawed, the concept is flawed and this F2P isn't a redemption but another way to suck more cash for EA and the new "exp" *cough* dlc *cough* bullshit confirms it.

It should sink with loses to show the publishers and their puppet developers that this doesn't pass with the consumers!

 

  Oziius

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12/20/12 7:28:51 AM#71

First off, I voted no as I don't care to see any game "fail". 

 

Secondly; there are some sick people out there. Mmo fans are easily the worst I've ever seen.. Everyone is misreble. Everyone hates every game but the one the're playing, they hope games fail and argue all day long. I"ve never seen a group of people sit around and try to "outsmart" other posters more then an mmo fan. 

 

This site is becoming more and more depressing everyday and I fear for this genre. 

  thamighty213

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12/20/12 7:31:00 AM#72

I'm torn on the issue.

 

From a gamer standpoint,   Yes it would be nice to show the industry we want innovation we want teams that listen to the players (within reason) and we don't want hacks who have failed at other games given multi million pound budgets to blow on pet projects.

 

From a personal standpoint no I worked for BW for a while during the lead up to launch opting to leave as my family couldnt settle overseas there are many great guys and gals at work on SWTOR who are brilliant at what they do but for whatever reason it hasnt all come together (too many chiefs not enough indians) I would hate to see these people lose their jobs especially at a company and a product many of them do have a real passion for.

  Eir_S

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GW2 socialist.

12/20/12 7:36:03 AM#73
I was going to say no, but then I realized EA/Bioware need to be taught a valuable lesson and not just copy/paste WoW into a different popular IP.  Besides, all the shit they're doing with DLC makes them crooks in my opinion.
  EnzoBautista

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12/20/12 7:49:36 AM#74

In all honesty, Yes.

Which is unfortunate because I've played the Kotor series over and over like many other gamers.

 

Its more out of frustration of the golden oppurtunity that Bioware (in respects to their reputation) had with this game that burned pretty quickly. They underachieved in my eyes, for the long term scheme of the game.

 

If only the single player version of Kotor 3 was released.....But I cannot shift all the blame onto Bioware, there were other forces at work, namely EA.

 

  MurlockDance

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12/20/12 7:52:48 AM#75

I voted no because I still have hope that ToR can be shaped up into a really great game. Unfortunately, I doubt that it will. I do wish that the company would rework the cash shop and restrictions. They are absolutely oppressive in comparison to even SOE's.

If they did rework the restrictions and pricing, I would quite happily play this game casually and spend a little bit to unlock things à la carte, since this would be only a secondary MMO I doink around in a little bit here and there.

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  EnzoBautista

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Waiting for: World of Darkness

Playing: SWTOR & Planetside 2

12/20/12 7:54:32 AM#76
It's as if Darth Baras designed the F2P restrictions sometimes...
  ktanner3

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12/20/12 7:57:24 AM#77
Originally posted by Praetalus

First off, I voted no as I don't care to see any game "fail". 

 

Secondly; there are some sick people out there. Mmo fans are easily the worst I've ever seen.. Everyone is misreble. Everyone hates every game but the one the're playing, they hope games fail and argue all day long. I"ve never seen a group of people sit around and try to "outsmart" other posters more then an mmo fan. 

 

This site is becoming more and more depressing everyday and I fear for this genre. 

This site has been this way ever since I started posting here in 2006. A bunch of miserable cry babies who go around from forum to forum bashing games they don't like. When you ask them what game they are playing, 9 times out of 10 they won't give an answer. The WOW forums have had to deal with the most of it because that was the game everyone flocked to and forced lesser MMOs to shut down. The TOR forum has had to deal with the nuts every since pre-release when the announcement came that TOR wasn't going to be a sandbox MMO. Fans of Elder Scrolls Online are getting a taste of the same thing right now. 

Whats hilarious is the idiots who think tthat if this game fails, themparks will cease to be made and another Star Wars MMO is guarenteed. It isn't. 

You never see this in any other form of entertainment. I've never seen anyone say "I hated that movie so I hope it fails so that movies like it are never made again." What kind of upbringing breeds that sort of narcissitst mentality and why does it tend to  flock to MMO's?

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  gordiflu

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12/20/12 8:04:29 AM#78
Originally posted by MoutonDocile

Why would anyone WANT something to fail? Is it going to make you feel better?

 

You don't like it? You think it failed? Good for you. But do you want it to fail?

 

I don't care for SWTOR but I don't want it to fail.

Becouse some players think that if something that was supposed to be that big fails it will be a headsup for studios already planning on releasing yet another eq-wow-clone.

I personally just don't care. I am done with tab-targetting and rotation of skills. Sick of it already. I keep track of these forums in case something actually new comes up, but I am not playing any MMO and haven't for many months. Currently on the Firefall beta, disappointed by some stuff but aware of the potential, hoping it turns out to be something actually interesting.

For example, I personally think that one of the reasons for EVE's many years of steady growth is that it's different in many aspects.

  gordiflu

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12/20/12 8:10:04 AM#79
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by Praetalus

First off, I voted no as I don't care to see any game "fail". 

 

Secondly; there are some sick people out there. Mmo fans are easily the worst I've ever seen.. Everyone is misreble. Everyone hates every game but the one the're playing, they hope games fail and argue all day long. I"ve never seen a group of people sit around and try to "outsmart" other posters more then an mmo fan. 

 

This site is becoming more and more depressing everyday and I fear for this genre. 

This site has been this way ever since I started posting here in 2006. A bunch of miserable cry babies who go around from forum to forum bashing games they don't like. When you ask them what game they are playing, 9 times out of 10 they won't give an answer. The WOW forums have had to deal with the most of it because that was the game everyone flocked to and forced lesser MMOs to shut down. The TOR forum has had to deal with the nuts every since pre-release when the announcement came that TOR wasn't going to be a sandbox MMO. Fans of Elder Scrolls Online are getting a taste of the same thing right now. 

Whats hilarious is the idiots who think tthat if this game fails, themparks will cease to be made and another Star Wars MMO is guarenteed. It isn't. 

You never see this in any other form of entertainment. I've never seen anyone say "I hated that movie so I hope it fails so that movies like it are never made again." What kind of upbringing breeds that sort of narcissitst mentality and why does it tend to  flock to MMO's?

Two comments about your post.

1) Maybe people won't answer to "what are you playing now" becouse they don't want the thread to be derailed and becouse the question smells like "since you are bashing my game, I am going to bash yours".

2) As a musician and music lover, another form of entertainment, I badly want all these bland-cloned-dumb-uninteresting bands to fail horribly, so that I finally can turn on the radio or the TV and listen to interesting music instead digging forums and websites to get to know the bands that are actually worth it.

  Skuz

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12/20/12 8:13:38 AM#80
Originally posted by ControlBlue

Voted 'yes'.

If the game and its F2P model fails, it will show the industry that F2P is not to be implemented with frustration of the customers in mind but with gaining their support.

For the good of the industry, the players, and F2P, SWTOR must, and is highly likely to,  fail!

You are already 3 years too late, F2P is not thriving because companies want it to, it is thriving because it works, but carry on "playing Salmon" if it makes you feel better, or justified or wtf ever.

 

I votedNo, because I enjoy the game & get a great deal of fun out of it, I'm a member of a guild of likeminded people & so I get to experience the game positively as a direct result of that common interest.

Personally I think SWTOR is just the "poster child" for a lot of "I hate soandso design" voices. But the elements found in SWTOR permeate virtually all MMO, so perhaps you should really be asking yourself if it's SWTOR you hate or just MMO's in general?

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