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General Discussion  » Beta is under NDA, stop talking about beta.

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  Kyleran

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12/19/12 7:39:22 PM#21
Never occurred to me that they would have a NDA for this paid beta, but then I forgot, "this is AV". truly enough said

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  Realbigdeal

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12/19/12 7:52:26 PM#22
Originally posted by Zyzra
Originally posted by Celusios
Originally posted by Zyzra
Originally posted by Entropy14

Why exactly do you care, who gives a flying F**k what people say , NDA is just a dumb rule, freedom of speech, I had to pay to get into beta so since I paid my money I should be free to say what I want. 

 

Exactly!  Like how I paid for this gun I can shoot who I want!  Right Entropy?

Comparing a harmless NDA to a gun is totally a realistic comparsion. inb4 "BREAKING A LAW IS BREAKING A LAW!"

Here's a comparison for ya then.

Consumer agrees to pay 30 dollars to receive a game called "Darkfall: Unholy Wars"

Aventurine agrees to provide game "Darkfall: Unholy Wars" to the consumer for the 30 paid dollars.

Then Aventurine says "even though we agreed, we have your money and rules are dumb I shoudl be free to do whatever I want so we're not giving you your game even though we agreed to"

Consumer says "But we had an agreement!"

Entropy14 says "who gives a flying F**k"

 

How do you think people would feel if Aventurine broke their agreement to release the game despite being paid?

Now relate that to the NDA.

There you go.

Yeah, freedom of speech, you can break the NDA if you want. Do it. But if you're not smart enough to use a computer from your nearest library to post your stuff on a random account, dont be surprise if you get cut. Nothing bad will happen. Your beta access will be removed and they will pay you back. They dont really care about 1 dude like you when they got many others who payed.

 

 

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  Cstahler92

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12/19/12 7:55:24 PM#23
Originally posted by Zyzra

I am not in beta, and have not signed an NDA.

That said, why would a re-released game that AV thought was almost ready for actual launch, with a beta anyone can get into for a fee, have an NDA at all?

Because

SPOILER ALERT:

it was nowhere near ready. It is hardly reayd to even be in beta form and at this point I'm going to refer to it as VERY VERY VERY early stages of an Alpha.

  jahgreen

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Joined: 11/22/06
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12/19/12 7:57:34 PM#24
Actually the game is very good. Most fluid combat I have ever seen.
  kaiser3282

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12/20/12 3:52:17 AM#25
Originally posted by Cstahler92
Originally posted by Zyzra

I am not in beta, and have not signed an NDA.

That said, why would a re-released game that AV thought was almost ready for actual launch, with a beta anyone can get into for a fee, have an NDA at all?

Because

SPOILER ALERT:

it was nowhere near ready. It is hardly reayd to even be in beta form and at this point I'm going to refer to it as VERY VERY VERY early stages of an Alpha.

I take it youve never been in an alpha or beta before.

There is 1 major issue they need to deal with right now. Aside from that, things are going great for the most part.

Funny thing is people usng that 1 issue as a reason why its "not even beta ready"... yet similar issues existed in the actual retail launch of many major games including SWTOR, GW2, Diablo 3, and various others. Those games had this issue after multiple betas and stress tests on top of the funding and staff backing the game. You're throwing a fit about something in the 1st 2 days of the only beta of a game made by a small company.

  Siveria

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Joined: 3/11/11
Posts: 1217

12/20/12 3:58:57 AM#26

Game is just going to fail again a second time most liley due to the extremly tiny playerbase that likes full looting pvp, I give it 3 months till its f2p or shut down entirely. They got a good concept but are screwing it up entirely by making it a gank/grief-fest, the full player body looting also is going to kill it even more.

 

Its sad to see something that looks like it might be diffrent, be ruined by catering to a extremly small amount of niche players. I know a ton of people who, even though the game is going to be a gank/greif filled game, would actually play if the corpse looting was removed, or if there was another server with it removed, I don't see why they cannot have it both ways, its only better for the game if they offer a server without the looting, and then one with it.  I really do wonder though what kind of weird enjoyment people get about losing a pvp fight and having yer stuff taken in the first place, whats the draw to it?

Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:

A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

or

B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!

  Siveria

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12/20/12 4:01:24 AM#27
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Cstahler92
Originally posted by Zyzra

I am not in beta, and have not signed an NDA.

That said, why would a re-released game that AV thought was almost ready for actual launch, with a beta anyone can get into for a fee, have an NDA at all?

Because

SPOILER ALERT:

it was nowhere near ready. It is hardly reayd to even be in beta form and at this point I'm going to refer to it as VERY VERY VERY early stages of an Alpha.

I take it youve never been in an alpha or beta before.

There is 1 major issue they need to deal with right now. Aside from that, things are going great for the most part.

Funny thing is people usng that 1 issue as a reason why its "not even beta ready"... yet similar issues existed in the actual retail launch of many major games including SWTOR, GW2, Diablo 3, and various others. Those games had this issue after multiple betas and stress tests on top of the funding and staff backing the game. You're throwing a fit about something in the 1st 2 days of the only beta of a game made by a small company.

I still think if they don't have a server that removes player corpse looting the game is going to die a fairly quick death sadly, the playerbase into that kind of pvp is probally not big enough to sustain a mmo in todays time. UO was successful bu tthat was over 10 years ago, Eve is successful only because of plex and the fact you can bascally play on someone else dollar, or else the game was about to die. Of course though. no one will listen to me.

Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:

A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

or

B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!

  Atlan99

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Joined: 8/07/08
Posts: 1355

12/20/12 4:02:29 AM#28
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Cstahler92
Originally posted by Zyzra

I am not in beta, and have not signed an NDA.

That said, why would a re-released game that AV thought was almost ready for actual launch, with a beta anyone can get into for a fee, have an NDA at all?

Because

SPOILER ALERT:

it was nowhere near ready. It is hardly reayd to even be in beta form and at this point I'm going to refer to it as VERY VERY VERY early stages of an Alpha.

I take it youve never been in an alpha or beta before.

There is 1 major issue they need to deal with right now. Aside from that, things are going great for the most part.

Funny thing is people usng that 1 issue as a reason why its "not even beta ready"... yet similar issues existed in the actual retail launch of many major games including SWTOR, GW2, Diablo 3, and various others. Those games had this issue after multiple betas and stress tests on top of the funding and staff backing the game. You're throwing a fit about something in the 1st 2 days of the only beta of a game made by a small company.

Things are far from going great.

Just taking a look at the beta forums would show you that. 90% of the threads on the General Beta Discussion forums are complaints about the state of the game.

Tasos said this game was ready for launch and just needed a little polish. We found out quickly that the game is no where near ready to launch and that the NDA is place for a very good reason. If it wasn't in place the game would be torn to shreds and there would be  a bunch of youtube videos up, mocking the current state of the game.

  wartyxwt

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Joined: 4/17/10
Posts: 181

12/20/12 4:57:56 AM#29

NDAs are legally invalid as is, they took my money and gave me access to the game before they asked me to "sign" an NDA so yeah agreed, it's an invalid one and if I feel like saying the game is a joke I will. Note I did not just say the game is a joke, just that I could say it is if I felt it is. Which I might. See, that's as clear as the NDA situation is LOL.

  kaiser3282

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Joined: 5/21/08
Posts: 2721

12/20/12 5:42:38 AM#30
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Cstahler92
Originally posted by Zyzra

I am not in beta, and have not signed an NDA.

That said, why would a re-released game that AV thought was almost ready for actual launch, with a beta anyone can get into for a fee, have an NDA at all?

Because

SPOILER ALERT:

it was nowhere near ready. It is hardly reayd to even be in beta form and at this point I'm going to refer to it as VERY VERY VERY early stages of an Alpha.

I take it youve never been in an alpha or beta before.

There is 1 major issue they need to deal with right now. Aside from that, things are going great for the most part.

Funny thing is people usng that 1 issue as a reason why its "not even beta ready"... yet similar issues existed in the actual retail launch of many major games including SWTOR, GW2, Diablo 3, and various others. Those games had this issue after multiple betas and stress tests on top of the funding and staff backing the game. You're throwing a fit about something in the 1st 2 days of the only beta of a game made by a small company.

Things are far from going great.

Just taking a look at the beta forums would show you that. 90% of the threads on the General Beta Discussion forums are complaints about the state of the game.

Tasos said this game was ready for launch and just needed a little polish. We found out quickly that the game is no where near ready to launch and that the NDA is place for a very good reason. If it wasn't in place the game would be torn to shreds and there would be  a bunch of youtube videos up, mocking the current state of the game.

You seem to be confused about the difference between an actual issue vs something someone doesnt like / personal preference. Yes there threads about things people dont like about the game itself or changes that were made. But as far as actual technical issues, nearly every thread is directly about or related to that 1 issue i mentioned. Yes there are minor issues impatcing a few people here and there, but only 1 very widespread issue remaining. There were others, but several of those have been fixed.

  Azdul

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Joined: 11/11/09
Posts: 442

12/20/12 5:44:34 AM#31
Originally posted by wartyxwt

NDAs are legally invalid as is, they took my money and gave me access to the game before they asked me to "sign" an NDA so yeah agreed, it's an invalid one and if I feel like saying the game is a joke I will. Note I did not just say the game is a joke, just that I could say it is if I felt it is. Which I might. See, that's as clear as the NDA situation is LOL.

It's not free speech issue - it's about chargeback disputes. If you want to get back your 15 $ / 30$  after they ban you - some kind of NDA agreement works in their favour. NDA also allows them to ask Youtube to take down videos.

They won't take anyone to court and sue for damages for saying on the Internet that the game sucks.

 

 

  kaiser3282

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12/20/12 5:46:53 AM#32
Originally posted by Siveria
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Cstahler92
Originally posted by Zyzra

I am not in beta, and have not signed an NDA.

That said, why would a re-released game that AV thought was almost ready for actual launch, with a beta anyone can get into for a fee, have an NDA at all?

Because

SPOILER ALERT:

it was nowhere near ready. It is hardly reayd to even be in beta form and at this point I'm going to refer to it as VERY VERY VERY early stages of an Alpha.

I take it youve never been in an alpha or beta before.

There is 1 major issue they need to deal with right now. Aside from that, things are going great for the most part.

Funny thing is people usng that 1 issue as a reason why its "not even beta ready"... yet similar issues existed in the actual retail launch of many major games including SWTOR, GW2, Diablo 3, and various others. Those games had this issue after multiple betas and stress tests on top of the funding and staff backing the game. You're throwing a fit about something in the 1st 2 days of the only beta of a game made by a small company.

I still think if they don't have a server that removes player corpse looting the game is going to die a fairly quick death sadly, the playerbase into that kind of pvp is probally not big enough to sustain a mmo in todays time. UO was successful bu tthat was over 10 years ago, Eve is successful only because of plex and the fact you can bascally play on someone else dollar, or else the game was about to die. Of course though. no one will listen to me.

You, and the others you speak of, really need to stop being so single minded. This is not WoW. You do not spend months grinding to get that leet gear only to have it taken from you 5 minutes later.

Gear is expendable, easy to get, and MEANT to be lost. You have durability on your gear also. So wether someone takes it from you, or you break it through us, it is gone either way. There is no permanent gear whatsoever.

Gear is not what makes you good.  Your character stats / skill levels, as well as individual player skill is what makes you good. You will see very good player running around in little to no gear and using crappy weapons just destroy entire groups of shitty players in top gear.

  Atlan99

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12/20/12 5:49:22 AM#33
Originally posted by kaiser3282

You seem to be confused about the difference between an actual issue vs something someone doesnt like / personal preference. Yes there threads about things people dont like about the game itself or changes that were made. But as far as actual technical issues, nearly every thread is directly about or related to that 1 issue i mentioned. Yes there are minor issues impatcing a few people here and there, but only 1 very widespread issue remaining. There were others, but several of those have been fixed.

Since that issue is preventing 90% of the people from beta-testing the game, I think you are jumping the gun by saying it is the only issue remaining.

Wait until people can actual beta test the game before you give it the greenlight. You seem to want to excuse AV and downplay the issues with the game.

I'm trying to give people a more accurate view of what to expect if they pre-order the game in order to get into beta. So far that involves not so much beta testing the game but more so testing the limits of your own patience.

Edit. Oh and there are at least 2 widespead issues not one. Both are gamebreaking.

  Aethaeryn

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12/20/12 5:55:19 AM#34
Originally posted by Entropy14

Why exactly do you care, who gives a flying F**k what people say , NDA is just a dumb rule, freedom of speech, I had to pay to get into beta so since I paid my money I should be free to say what I want. 

 

 

Ahahaha. . right. . and you paid for your car so you can drive it on the road however you want.  You can urinate in public as well I suppose in rush hour with no problems either.

No country is free.  You are free to vote for people who will make rules you will likely often disagree with.  Try ranting about something really obsene and sexual on this forum and see how long your free speach lasts.

 

See. . you agreed to something.   I hope I never run into someone that agrees to things and then never does it because of some percieved right.

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  Aethaeryn

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12/20/12 5:57:17 AM#35
Originally posted by Azdul
Originally posted by wartyxwt

NDAs are legally invalid as is, they took my money and gave me access to the game before they asked me to "sign" an NDA so yeah agreed, it's an invalid one and if I feel like saying the game is a joke I will. Note I did not just say the game is a joke, just that I could say it is if I felt it is. Which I might. See, that's as clear as the NDA situation is LOL.

It's not free speech issue - it's about chargeback disputes. If you want to get back your 15 $ / 30$  after they ban you - some kind of NDA agreement works in their favour. NDA also allows them to ask Youtube to take down videos.

They won't take anyone to court and sue for damages for saying on the Internet that the game sucks.

 

 

No but the rules of this forum do not allow you to break the NDA here.   

I don't get how the. . "yeah I agreed but its not legally binding" is a legitimate argument for a decent human being.

 

Done on the soapbox now.

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  kaiser3282

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12/20/12 5:59:40 AM#36
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by kaiser3282

You seem to be confused about the difference between an actual issue vs something someone doesnt like / personal preference. Yes there threads about things people dont like about the game itself or changes that were made. But as far as actual technical issues, nearly every thread is directly about or related to that 1 issue i mentioned. Yes there are minor issues impatcing a few people here and there, but only 1 very widespread issue remaining. There were others, but several of those have been fixed.

Since that issue is preventing 90% of the people from beta-testing the game, I think you are jumping the gun by saying it is the only issue remaining.

Wait until people can actual beta test the game before you give it the greenlight. You seem to want to excuse AV and downplay the issues with the game.

I'm trying to give people a more accurate view of what to expect if they pre-order the game in order to get into beta. So far that involves not so much beta testing the game but more so testing the limits of your own patience.

Edit. Oh and there are at least 2 widespead issues not one. Both are gamebreaking.

Im not trying to downplay anything. I know its a major issue, but aside from that most things are working quite well. On the other hand you seem like youre trying to make it sound like the entire game is broken and nothing works by claiming the forums are full of issues. But in reality the forum is full of everyone talking about 1 issue and making tons of different threads about it.

  Atlan99

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12/20/12 6:05:19 AM#37
Originally posted by kaiser3282

Im not trying to downplay anything. I know its a major issue, but aside from that most things are working quite well. On the other hand you seem like youre trying to make it sound like the entire game is broken and nothing works by claiming the forums are full of issues. But in reality the forum is full of everyone talking about 1 issue and making tons of different threads about it.

First off people are complaining about more than 1 issue.

Second, do you think maybe most people are talking about 1 issue because it prevents them from playing?

Third, don't you think it's premature to say the game is running great when nobody can play it?

Fourth, if nobody can beta test the game, wouldn't you consider it broken?

  Latronus

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12/20/12 6:06:29 AM#38
If you really care then petition MMORPG to close this and all threads thatt have info violating the NDA.  Anything else is just superficial BS.  Nuff said /thread.

  Biskop

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12/20/12 7:42:32 AM#39
Originally posted by Siveria

Game is just going to fail again a second time most liley due to the extremly tiny playerbase that likes full looting pvp, I give it 3 months till its f2p or shut down entirely. They got a good concept but are screwing it up entirely by making it a gank/grief-fest, the full player body looting also is going to kill it even more.

 

Its sad to see something that looks like it might be diffrent, be ruined by catering to a extremly small amount of niche players. I know a ton of people who, even though the game is going to be a gank/greif filled game, would actually play if the corpse looting was removed, or if there was another server with it removed, I don't see why they cannot have it both ways, its only better for the game if they offer a server without the looting, and then one with it.  I really do wonder though what kind of weird enjoyment people get about losing a pvp fight and having yer stuff taken in the first place, whats the draw to it?

You and your likes are starting to sound like a broken record. You are beating a dead horse here and you're wrong to begin with, so just gtfo and play some other game, will you?

  Gwahlur

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12/20/12 10:29:01 AM#40
Originally posted by Biskop
Originally posted by Siveria

Game is just going to fail again a second time most liley due to the extremly tiny playerbase that likes full looting pvp, I give it 3 months till its f2p or shut down entirely. They got a good concept but are screwing it up entirely by making it a gank/grief-fest, the full player body looting also is going to kill it even more.

 

Its sad to see something that looks like it might be diffrent, be ruined by catering to a extremly small amount of niche players. I know a ton of people who, even though the game is going to be a gank/greif filled game, would actually play if the corpse looting was removed, or if there was another server with it removed, I don't see why they cannot have it both ways, its only better for the game if they offer a server without the looting, and then one with it.  I really do wonder though what kind of weird enjoyment people get about losing a pvp fight and having yer stuff taken in the first place, whats the draw to it?

You and your likes are starting to sound like a broken record. You are beating a dead horse here and you're wrong to begin with, so just gtfo and play some other game, will you?

Biskop, do you even see the irony of your post?

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