To be clear.  I love the Goons and what they bring to the environment of EVE-Online.  I think they are a much needed thing in this game.  That said, I do not agree with most of their actions and therefore do not support them if I can help it.  Much like I won't read a single article that comes from Fox News, regardless of who wrote it.  I'm not helping Fox's wallet by viewing their advertising just like I'm not helping Goons by clicking on his site and seeing their ads.

I'd LOVE to read Mal's articles but if standing on my principles means that I can't well...  So be it.  Maybe one day he'll start a blog and re-post his past write-ups.

o7

Originally posted by Malcanis

The other 10%; 36,000 votes will be enough for me!

 

As for Goons being a "cancer", all I'll say is that when you've been on the internet a little longer, you might learn not to bite so hard on obvious trolls. For now I'll just say that massive sweeping generalisations might be easy and fun, but you run some terrible risks when making them.

As you'd know if you read "The Big Lie"  ;)

Obviously when talking about a bunch as big as the Goonswarm the only way to have a discussion about them is generalization. Of course there are people from every end of the spectrum, but the fact is too many of them base their game enjoyment in the misery of others. They feed from the tears of those they claim to "take the game too seriously". That claim is of course easy to make as there is no force big enough to turn their own joke to them. Frankly I'm not quite certain many of them would take the "joke" so easily if it was shoved down their throats.

Classic bullies who cry and shit in their pants when faced with an even bigger bully.

Originally posted by tom_gore

 

Obviously when talking about a bunch as big as the Goonswarm the only way to have a discussion about them is generalization. Of course there are people from every end of the spectrum, but the fact is too many of them base their game enjoyment in the misery of others. They feed from the tears of those they claim to "take the game too seriously". That claim is of course easy to make as there is no force big enough to turn their own joke to them. Frankly I'm not quite certain many of them would take the "joke" so easily if it was shoved down their throats.

Classic bullies who cry and shit in their pants when faced with an even bigger bully.

 

This is EVE-Online where the point of the game is to enjoy the tears. In other words 'toughen the F up!' - CEO of CCP

I know factually that Goons will take that joke because they had to at the beginning.

Did Goons take your space or something? Are you -A-? o_O

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by tom_gore

 

Obviously when talking about a bunch as big as the Goonswarm the only way to have a discussion about them is generalization. Of course there are people from every end of the spectrum, but the fact is too many of them base their game enjoyment in the misery of others. They feed from the tears of those they claim to "take the game too seriously". That claim is of course easy to make as there is no force big enough to turn their own joke to them. Frankly I'm not quite certain many of them would take the "joke" so easily if it was shoved down their throats.

Classic bullies who cry and shit in their pants when faced with an even bigger bully.

 

This is EVE-Online where the point of the game is to enjoy the tears. In other words 'toughen the F up!' - CEO of CCP

I know factually that Goons will take that joke because they had to at the beginning.

Did Goons take your space or something? Are you -A-? o_O

It's Harden the F up or HTFU, get your terms right ;)

The goons that came originally to banish BoB have become BoB themselves or even worse. I highly doubt BoB took that as a joke then and I highly doubt the Goons would take it now. They pretend they would, but considering how much time they have invested in building their "empire"... yeah I don't think so.

And no, I'm not involved in nullsec myself. Too little time to get anything done there and too much drama for the aforementioned reasons. I don't hate Goonswarm of EVE in particular. I hate their "charter" and the "values" they represent, no matter the game.

Originally posted by Malcanis
I wrote a new thing: http://themittani.com/features/xnym-or-everybody-needs-somebody

I read this one first.

Decided after I finished reading to read more that you wrote.

Originally posted by tom_gore

 

It's Harden the F up or HTFU, get your terms right ;)

The goons that came originally to banish BoB have become BoB themselves or even worse. I highly doubt BoB took that as a joke then and I highly doubt the Goons would take it now. They pretend they would, but considering how much time they have invested in building their "empire"... yeah I don't think so.

And no, I'm not involved in nullsec myself. Too little time to get anything done there and too much drama for the aforementioned reasons. I don't hate Goonswarm of EVE in particular. I hate their "charter" and the "values" they represent, no matter the game.

 

Doh! yeah yeah. :P

Last I checked, Goons didn't have a BBQ where 'pets' were not permitted to enter the house and had to be confined in pre-established tent areas.

It is always easy to hate on Goons but it always puzzled me why being successful in EVE made you hated.

Shouldn't people want to be like Goons and try to be better?

Or are you 'hating' cause you can't put in the effort but are jealous of its success?

If the 'tears' = hate, then you must hate every player in EVE except 'Eve-Uni'.

More goon 

Propaganda

again

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by tom_gore

 

It's Harden the F up or HTFU, get your terms right ;)

The goons that came originally to banish BoB have become BoB themselves or even worse. I highly doubt BoB took that as a joke then and I highly doubt the Goons would take it now. They pretend they would, but considering how much time they have invested in building their "empire"... yeah I don't think so.

And no, I'm not involved in nullsec myself. Too little time to get anything done there and too much drama for the aforementioned reasons. I don't hate Goonswarm of EVE in particular. I hate their "charter" and the "values" they represent, no matter the game.

 

Doh! yeah yeah. :P

Last I checked, Goons didn't have a BBQ where 'pets' were not permitted to enter the house and had to be confined in pre-established tent areas.

It is always easy to hate on Goons but it always puzzled me why being successful in EVE made you hated.

Shouldn't people want to be like Goons and try to be better?

Or are you 'hating' cause you can't put in the effort but are jealous of its success?

 

If the 'tears' = hate, then you must hate every player in EVE except 'Eve-Uni'.

 

You don't obviously get it, but I'll try once more. I don't hate Goons as the entity in EVE. I hate the "values" they represent, which is trying to have fun at the expense of others. This is their "charter", it's what they strive for. How they actually pursue that charter and how much of this still remains, I don't know as I haven't been in any major contact with them in ages.

Maybe it's just me, but my "charter" would be to have fun while others are also having fun. Yeah I know, I must be weird like that.

Originally posted by tom_gore

 

You don't obviously get it, but I'll try once more. I don't hate Goons as the entity in EVE. I hate the "values" they represent, which is trying to have fun at the expense of others. This is their "charter", it's what they strive for. How they actually pursue that charter and how much of this still remains, I don't know as I haven't been in any major contact with them in ages.

Maybe it's just me, but my "charter" would be to have fun while others are also having fun. Yeah I know, I must be weird like that.

 

I assumed you are an EVE player which has that charter 'gimmie tears!' as a given.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by tom_gore

 

You don't obviously get it, but I'll try once more. I don't hate Goons as the entity in EVE. I hate the "values" they represent, which is trying to have fun at the expense of others. This is their "charter", it's what they strive for. How they actually pursue that charter and how much of this still remains, I don't know as I haven't been in any major contact with them in ages.

Maybe it's just me, but my "charter" would be to have fun while others are also having fun. Yeah I know, I must be weird like that.

 

I assumed you are an EVE player which has that charter 'gimmie tears!' as a given.

Well yes. There is one thing I can say for Goons and it's that they're at least honest in their charter :D

And yes, I am an EVE player but believe or not, there is a way to play EVE (and even PvP) without pissing off other players. Maybe it's the "wrong" way, but that's the way I play :D