Originally posted by Ayliar
It's not bad, it's not what everyone wanted it to be. This tends to be a common trend these days. People aren't happy with one thing or another then it becomes a bashing session for months. I've come to the conclusion that no mmo will ever be close enough to perfect or make a decent fraction of any gaming site community happy. 

Totally agree. I do think that this gaming site is much more negative then the others I follow but accross all of them the trend is the same - no matter what the game there is a vocal audience that will trash it.

And SWTOR is not that bad - I played it for a good three months. I quit because I wanted to play in a world not be a part of a play.

My Server is packed with people 24/7

Thats what a mmo needs, its the people.

Originally posted by velmax
So i was expecting the worse! Super grindy game, boring combat, and horrible gameplay in general. To be honest, i didn't get any of that. The story was pretty amazing, one of my favorite aspects of the game, the combat wasn't anything new, but still enjoyable. I really liked the PVP especially Huttball, that's probably the best PVP map I've played, and the PVP is pretty balanced. The dungeons were cool since they were Star Wars themed and i liked how all classes got a knockback and stun skill, balances the PVP out very well.  So overall, dont let other players freak you out, the game is great and the RESTRICTION for F2P arn't that bad, at least 1-50.

The game isn't bad. It's got some rather large shoes to fill given that it's part of the Star Wars Universe and it follows behind  SW:G.

That's two strikes either for or against it off the bat.

It also sets a couple of bars for expectations outside of those that come with any new mmo no matter what.

If the game doesn't measure up to those expectations people are going to complain.  Add into that the amount it cost in production and the statements made by Bioware and how those statements were fulfilled in game and you have a bad set-up.

Had this mmo been from their Mass Effect IP, I think we'd have seen a better result. The W0W playbook would, most likely,  have had to be thrown out to make such a game and the IP isn't as polarizing in general.

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by MyBoot

Originally posted by velmax
So i was expecting the worse! Super grindy game, boring combat, and horrible gameplay in general. To be honest, i didn't get any of that. The story was pretty amazing, one of my favorite aspects of the game, the combat wasn't anything new, but still enjoyable. I really liked the PVP especially Huttball, that's probably the best PVP map I've played, and the PVP is pretty balanced. The dungeons were cool since they were Star Wars themed and i liked how all classes got a knockback and stun skill, balances the PVP out very well.  So overall, dont let other players freak you out, the game is great and the RESTRICTION for F2P arn't that bad, at least 1-50.

Good on you mate, glad to see you enjoy the game and are having fun, Don't listen to the rest of the dead beats who are just pissed off because SWTOR wasn't made to there exact styles. 

If we were to get actual sub numbers right now. I guarantee Rift would have more and wouldnt be surprised if LOTRO had about the same if not more. SWTOR sold 2 million copies at launch and was down to 500k subs at 6 months. After a year I would put SWTOR at maybe 200k subs, and a lot of f2p accounts. 6 months from now the f2p accounts wont be that many with how terrible of a f2p they offer and the subs will probably be around 125k. 

And hopefully the game shuts down a year from now so we can get the Star Wars MMO we deserve.

 

Haha too funny buddy. Where do you get your facts? I wish I could pull ignorant crap out of my a$$ like some on here do non-stop. I can't wait to be celebrating the 2nd expansion in a year while those like you will still be pouting and pulling crap out of their a$$

uhm, my facts came from EA's investor meetings where they have to give factual data on how successful their game properties are. So theres that.

P.S. Congrats on paying for an expansion that comes out in spring that was originally suppose to release around this time as a content update...for free.

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by MyBoot

Originally posted by velmax
So i was expecting the worse! Super grindy game, boring combat, and horrible gameplay in general. To be honest, i didn't get any of that. The story was pretty amazing, one of my favorite aspects of the game, the combat wasn't anything new, but still enjoyable. I really liked the PVP especially Huttball, that's probably the best PVP map I've played, and the PVP is pretty balanced. The dungeons were cool since they were Star Wars themed and i liked how all classes got a knockback and stun skill, balances the PVP out very well.  So overall, dont let other players freak you out, the game is great and the RESTRICTION for F2P arn't that bad, at least 1-50.

Good on you mate, glad to see you enjoy the game and are having fun, Don't listen to the rest of the dead beats who are just pissed off because SWTOR wasn't made to there exact styles. 

If we were to get actual sub numbers right now. I guarantee Rift would have more and wouldnt be surprised if LOTRO had about the same if not more. SWTOR sold 2 million copies at launch and was down to 500k subs at 6 months. After a year I would put SWTOR at maybe 200k subs, and a lot of f2p accounts. 6 months from now the f2p accounts wont be that many with how terrible of a f2p they offer and the subs will probably be around 125k. 

And hopefully the game shuts down a year from now so we can get the Star Wars MMO we deserve.

 

Haha too funny buddy. Where do you get your facts? I wish I could pull ignorant crap out of my a$$ like some on here do non-stop. I can't wait to be celebrating the 2nd expansion in a year while those like you will still be pouting and pulling crap out of their a$$

uhm, my facts came from EA's investor meetings where they have to give factual data on how successful their game properties are. So theres that.

P.S. Congrats on paying for an expansion that comes out in spring that was originally suppose to release around this time as a content update...for free.

Originally posted by velmax
So i was expecting the worse! Super grindy game, boring combat, and horrible gameplay in general. To be honest, i didn't get any of that. The story was pretty amazing, one of my favorite aspects of the game, the combat wasn't anything new, but still enjoyable. I really liked the PVP especially Huttball, that's probably the best PVP map I've played, and the PVP is pretty balanced. The dungeons were cool since they were Star Wars themed and i liked how all classes got a knockback and stun skill, balances the PVP out very well.  So overall, dont let other players freak you out, the game is great and the RESTRICTION for F2P arn't that bad, at least 1-50.

Good for you :)

The game while it has faults it has many upsides also. For me it has the best story & voice acting (and a ton of it) of any MMO. Plus neat little touches to the stories that take into account whether your light side or dark, and on one story line whether your companion is the same gender as you. They maybe small things but it enhances the enjoyment quite a bit. It's an attention to detail rarely seen in any game never mind an MMO.

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by MyBoot

Originally posted by velmax
So i was expecting the worse! Super grindy game, boring combat, and horrible gameplay in general. To be honest, i didn't get any of that. The story was pretty amazing, one of my favorite aspects of the game, the combat wasn't anything new, but still enjoyable. I really liked the PVP especially Huttball, that's probably the best PVP map I've played, and the PVP is pretty balanced. The dungeons were cool since they were Star Wars themed and i liked how all classes got a knockback and stun skill, balances the PVP out very well.  So overall, dont let other players freak you out, the game is great and the RESTRICTION for F2P arn't that bad, at least 1-50.

Good on you mate, glad to see you enjoy the game and are having fun, Don't listen to the rest of the dead beats who are just pissed off because SWTOR wasn't made to there exact styles. 

If we were to get actual sub numbers right now. I guarantee Rift would have more and wouldnt be surprised if LOTRO had about the same if not more. SWTOR sold 2 million copies at launch and was down to 500k subs at 6 months. After a year I would put SWTOR at maybe 200k subs, and a lot of f2p accounts. 6 months from now the f2p accounts wont be that many with how terrible of a f2p they offer and the subs will probably be around 125k. 

And hopefully the game shuts down a year from now so we can get the Star Wars MMO we deserve.

 

Haha too funny buddy. Where do you get your facts? I wish I could pull ignorant crap out of my a$$ like some on here do non-stop. I can't wait to be celebrating the 2nd expansion in a year while those like you will still be pouting and pulling crap out of their a$$

uhm, my facts came from EA's investor meetings where they have to give factual data on how successful their game properties are. So theres that.

P.S. Congrats on paying for an expansion that comes out in spring that was originally suppose to release around this time as a content update...for free.

 

Too bad their f2p has been a huge success! Please provide a link that says they are below 125k. I have never read any investor meeting stating anything below 500k. So how about that link? Oh wow god forbid things changed, they are adding more than just what your talking about. I know selective reading and missed the part of "more information coming". Ill pay $10 to play new content on a game i enjoy. I guess im fortunate to have a job where I dont need to pout about ten bucks.

LOL oh boy

You mention selective reading but I never stated the subs were at 125k... if you read my comment properly you would realize I was making a prediction. The last known sub total was at 500k almost 6 months ago. Im not a math major but if within the first 6 months you lose 1.5 million out of 2 million sales, I think its safe to assume that 6 months later it wont still be at 500k.

Its just common sense.

Oh and F2P has not been a success so far. The reviews on it have been overwhelmingly negative. Sure, you are gonna see a boost in population at first. That always happens with F2P implementations. A month or two from now and that will wear off.

Im glad your happy to give your money away, but I prefer to spend my hard earned money on something worthwhile ....and not something that was supposed to be a free content update.

SWTOR wont share their sub numbers.. that alone is proof for me 8P

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by MyBoot

Originally posted by velmax
So i was expecting the worse! Super grindy game, boring combat, and horrible gameplay in general. To be honest, i didn't get any of that. The story was pretty amazing, one of my favorite aspects of the game, the combat wasn't anything new, but still enjoyable. I really liked the PVP especially Huttball, that's probably the best PVP map I've played, and the PVP is pretty balanced. The dungeons were cool since they were Star Wars themed and i liked how all classes got a knockback and stun skill, balances the PVP out very well.  So overall, dont let other players freak you out, the game is great and the RESTRICTION for F2P arn't that bad, at least 1-50.

Good on you mate, glad to see you enjoy the game and are having fun, Don't listen to the rest of the dead beats who are just pissed off because SWTOR wasn't made to there exact styles. 

If we were to get actual sub numbers right now. I guarantee Rift would have more and wouldnt be surprised if LOTRO had about the same if not more. SWTOR sold 2 million copies at launch and was down to 500k subs at 6 months. After a year I would put SWTOR at maybe 200k subs, and a lot of f2p accounts. 6 months from now the f2p accounts wont be that many with how terrible of a f2p they offer and the subs will probably be around 125k. 

And hopefully the game shuts down a year from now so we can get the Star Wars MMO we deserve.

 

Haha too funny buddy. Where do you get your facts? I wish I could pull ignorant crap out of my a$$ like some on here do non-stop. I can't wait to be celebrating the 2nd expansion in a year while those like you will still be pouting and pulling crap out of their a$$

uhm, my facts came from EA's investor meetings where they have to give factual data on how successful their game properties are. So theres that.

P.S. Congrats on paying for an expansion that comes out in spring that was originally suppose to release around this time as a content update...for free.

 

Too bad their f2p has been a huge success! Please provide a link that says they are below 125k. I have never read any investor meeting stating anything below 500k. So how about that link? Oh wow god forbid things changed, they are adding more than just what your talking about. I know selective reading and missed the part of "more information coming". Ill pay $10 to play new content on a game i enjoy. I guess im fortunate to have a job where I dont need to pout about ten bucks.

LOL oh boy

 

You mention selective reading but I never stated the subs were at 125k... if you read my comment properly you would realize I was making a prediction. The last known sub total was at 500k almost 6 months ago. Im not a math major but if within the first 6 months you lose 1.5 million out of 2 million sales, I think its safe to assume that 6 months later it wont still be at 500k.

Its just common sense.

Oh and F2P has not been a success so far. The reviews on it have been overwhelmingly negative. Sure, you are gonna see a boost in population at first. That always happens with F2P implementations. A month or two from now and that will wear off.

Im glad your happy to give your money away, but I prefer to spend my hard earned money on something worthwhile ....and not something that was supposed to be a free content update.

Originally posted by mcburly
Its unfortunate to see how delusional some people are about a bad game

It is your opinion, maybe you are delusional in your opinion that this game is bad. It's actually pretty awesome :)

Why your opinion should have more weight then mine?

To OP: glad that you loke it. You definitely have to make Imperial Agent if you did not try it yet. The story is AMAZING!

Originally posted by mcburly
Its unfortunate to see how delusional some people are about a bad game

To be honest the game isn't that bad but compared to even older MMOs, it's not good.

Originally posted by pioneer08

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by MyBoot

Originally posted by velmax
So i was expecting the worse! Super grindy game, boring combat, and horrible gameplay in general. To be honest, i didn't get any of that. The story was pretty amazing, one of my favorite aspects of the game, the combat wasn't anything new, but still enjoyable. I really liked the PVP especially Huttball, that's probably the best PVP map I've played, and the PVP is pretty balanced. The dungeons were cool since they were Star Wars themed and i liked how all classes got a knockback and stun skill, balances the PVP out very well.  So overall, dont let other players freak you out, the game is great and the RESTRICTION for F2P arn't that bad, at least 1-50.

Good on you mate, glad to see you enjoy the game and are having fun, Don't listen to the rest of the dead beats who are just pissed off because SWTOR wasn't made to there exact styles. 

If we were to get actual sub numbers right now. I guarantee Rift would have more and wouldnt be surprised if LOTRO had about the same if not more. SWTOR sold 2 million copies at launch and was down to 500k subs at 6 months. After a year I would put SWTOR at maybe 200k subs, and a lot of f2p accounts. 6 months from now the f2p accounts wont be that many with how terrible of a f2p they offer and the subs will probably be around 125k. 

And hopefully the game shuts down a year from now so we can get the Star Wars MMO we deserve.

 

Haha too funny buddy. Where do you get your facts? I wish I could pull ignorant crap out of my a$$ like some on here do non-stop. I can't wait to be celebrating the 2nd expansion in a year while those like you will still be pouting and pulling crap out of their a$$

I dont understand why some ppl are just so defensive of something they do not have a full picture of the situation yet.

Look, SWTOR by game is a fairly good game for its story play. but its EA who is causing all these problems.

Look at how many complains from ex-subs and current subs since launch back in 2011. Memory leaks/bugs/population issues/suggestions ignored etc were there for a very long time. EA have totally no idea on running a MMO game. From game launch they crash and burn the p2p model. Now in f2p, its a disaster too.Thats why 2mil sub became 500k subs.

If a game of that standard which can cause 3/4 of its fans to quit on p2p. What makes it think that by forcing people to sub now in f2p model will keep them long. (F2P model is not enticing nor fun at all)

Oh and i also want to reply.

You know why Lotro is still surviving up till now? Because that game made their F2P model enticing for the f2p players.

Once you purchase a functionality,bags,char slot whatsoever.... thru during your sub period or thru their turbine shop you keep it permanently on your account.

Next, you earn cash shop currency thru grinding mobs. A tedious way BUT there is a way. Motive is to let you have the choice to buy cash shop items if you have plenty of time but just dont want to spend a dime. (Its roughly about 2-3 hours u earn abt 30 turbine pts which is around $0.50, cant rmb the conversion rate)

The main idea is if you dont want to pay a dime, you play the FULL game but u grind a whole lot more than others.

People want to and tend to pay as you are able to earn more than that in real life with that give amount of time spent on grinding. But if you just dont want to pay, go work for it in game.

For SWTOR context, you bloodywell sub and play. OR forget about their F2P model.

You are crippled from start to end 1-50 in all ways possible they can think of. You do not have the option to play the full game on f2p.

Sorry for my poor english rant....  

Originally posted by zzx81

Originally posted by pioneer08

 

 

Haha too funny buddy. Where do you get your facts? I wish I could pull ignorant crap out of my a$$ like some on here do non-stop. I can't wait to be celebrating the 2nd expansion in a year while those like you will still be pouting and pulling crap out of their a$$

 

I dont understand why some ppl are just so defensive of something they do not have a full picture of the situation yet.

Look, SWTOR by game is a fairly good game for its story play. but its EA who is causing all these problems.

Look at how many complains from ex-subs and current subs since launch back in 2011. Memory leaks/bugs/population issues/suggestions ignored etc were there for a very long time. EA have totally no idea on running a MMO game. From game launch they crash and burn the p2p model. Now in f2p, its a disaster too.Thats why 2mil sub became 500k subs.

If a game of that standard which can cause 3/4 of its fans to quit on p2p. What makes it think that by forcing people to sub now in f2p model will keep them long. (F2P model is not enticing nor fun at all)

Today I learned that calling out posts for factual errors is considered 'so defensive'. 

LOLWUT? Logic??

MMO is horrible at retention, even the sub number king WoW is only 30%.

I enjoy SWTOR and will keep on making alts cause damn does BW know how to write a good story.

As much shit as I give TOR, I actually enjoyed some of the story aspects. For a single player game, I probably would have expected more from the likes of the smuggler's quest line, but it was certainly enjoyable for the time that it took for me to complete the content. That being said, I don't agree that MMO's should be designed with an end in mind, and linearity is probably the best way to assure one.

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Originally posted by mcburly
Its unfortunate to see how delusional some people are about a bad game

It is your opinion, maybe you are delusional in your opinion that this game is bad. It's actually pretty awesome :)

Why your opinion should have more weight then mine?

 

To OP: glad that you loke it. You definitely have to make Imperial Agent if you did not try it yet. The story is AMAZING!

Oh the irony in that statement

Originally posted by velmax
So i was expecting the worse! Super grindy game, boring combat, and horrible gameplay in general. To be honest, i didn't get any of that. The story was pretty amazing, one of my favorite aspects of the game, the combat wasn't anything new, but still enjoyable. I really liked the PVP especially Huttball, that's probably the best PVP map I've played, and the PVP is pretty balanced. The dungeons were cool since they were Star Wars themed and i liked how all classes got a knockback and stun skill, balances the PVP out very well.  So overall, dont let other players freak you out, the game is great and the RESTRICTION for F2P arn't that bad, at least 1-50.

Most people agreed that leveling to 50 once was fine. It was what happened afterwards that made people leave. The end game is bad and making alts (except for 1 on each faction) is pointless since you go through all the same planets. Yes there are 4 different stories for each side, but honestly its just too boring.