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  botrytis

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12/18/12 12:03:43 PM#21
Originally posted by RedJorge

Hello all,

 

In my opinion, these 2 new games (dont forget Lineage Eternal when more details will be available) will rock our world:

 

Black Desert - http://steparu.com/previews/mmo-rpg-previews/897-black-desert-online-interview

Archeage (best viewed in Chrome for auto-translation) - http://www.archeage.com/preview#trailer (after the trailer you can check all game features).

Archeage is starting this week the OBT in Korea.

 

Best regards,

 

Red

Red,

 

I don't think so on either part. I bet Archage, for example, will change when it is brought over to the EU and the Americas. Why? The Koreans did it with Aion, TERA, and many other MMO's from there. We like different things so they will cater to the majority of the audience. Both games will end up being less than what they could be - it is just the facts.

 

Please just let the hype alone.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
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  Kuppa

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12/18/12 12:05:56 PM#22
Originally posted by eyelolled
I wouldn't install Chrome on my computer unless I planned to format it shortly.  As for the games, I think we have distinct differences of opinions.

First time I've seen anti Chrome sentiments...

 

On topic. I am looking foward to see what Archeage becomes.


  vierklauw

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12/18/12 12:11:39 PM#23
we will have the same hype like with gw2 or swtor again? really? o come on..  these game no have nothing special and new
  Ramonski7

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12/18/12 12:19:23 PM#24

I got as far as this:

All the characters are classified by different classes which are fighter, ranger, sorcerer, beast, and tamer. We are still working on other new classes. We are considering a gender lock system but we can't give you any specific details on it just yet. Also the name of the classes may change in the future.

especially the underlined part and I lost interest. Gender lock and classes spoken under the same breathe is worrisome. Now if it were race and gender lock, I'm cool with that. But I'm not fond of gender locked classes. It automatically brings to mind Vindictus. In other words, shortcuts to keep up frame rates and graphic quality.


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  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

12/18/12 12:24:36 PM#25
Originally posted by Venger
Both ffapvp games no thanks.
Archeage: Criminal system to help prevent random killings. The time and difficulty to break out of jail or do hard labor may be a good system to help prevent all kinds of mass killings. I know that some players like PvP and some don't. ArcheAge features a half-open PvP system. If a player kills another player of the same faction, he/she will get penalty points. If a player's penalty points (blood prints that appear after killing a player work as evidence of a crime which leads to penalty points) reach a certain level, he/she will be summoned to court, will receive a trial, and might be imprisoned. Though ArcheAge is half-open PvP, it is not the main fun feature. It will be developed as a game that PvE-lovers could enjoy too, while also enjoying the PvP system.

Black desert :

Q: Will this game have some kind of Player Kill system? Are there any penalties to players that enjoy PK'ing random players or penalties to players that are killed by PK'ers?

A: PK is possible but we are still discussing on how much of it we will allow. We think that it should be just right so that players don't leave the game because of too much PK. We are also considering making PK available during guild wars, so other players can PK other players who are in GvG.

Usually there is a chance to drop items when a player dies, though items that are binded on the character won't drop. We think that players losing a hard earned bind on pick up item will be too frustrating so we decided to go with this kind of system.

 

 

Neither one of these systems seems unreasonable. Its much better than 90% of the real open world full loot pvp mmo's released.

 

  botrytis

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12/18/12 12:24:56 PM#26
Originally posted by Ramonski7

I got as far as this:

All the characters are classified by different classes which are fighter, ranger, sorcerer, beast, and tamer. We are still working on other new classes. We are considering a gender lock system but we can't give you any specific details on it just yet. Also the name of the classes may change in the future.

especially the underlined part and I lost interest. Gender lock and classes spoken under the same breathe is worrisome. Now if it were race and gender lock, I'm cool with that. But I'm not fond of gender locked classes. It automatically brings to mind Vindictus. In other words, shortcuts to keep up frame rates and graphic quality.

It is very common for Korean MMO's to be genderlocked. In TERA, I played a female warrior in beta testing but having to ride side saddle was just odd.  There is a different sense and sensibility in Korean games and they oftern don't translate well. Same goes for EU/American games going to Korea.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
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  Chingo

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12/18/12 12:25:13 PM#27

Black Desert: "...giant, hobbit, elf, dwarf, and humans..."

Oh well. Let's hope everything else is original. Looks good, though.

  hfztt

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12/18/12 12:30:40 PM#28
Originally posted by Chingo

Black Desert: "...giant, hobbit, elf, dwarf, and humans..."

Oh well. Let's hope everything else is original. Looks good, though.

Has a bit of "Uncanny Valley" to me...

  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

12/18/12 12:32:38 PM#29
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by RedJorge

Hello all,

 

In my opinion, these 2 new games (dont forget Lineage Eternal when more details will be available) will rock our world:

 

Black Desert - http://steparu.com/previews/mmo-rpg-previews/897-black-desert-online-interview

Archeage (best viewed in Chrome for auto-translation) - http://www.archeage.com/preview#trailer (after the trailer you can check all game features).

Archeage is starting this week the OBT in Korea.

 

Best regards,

 

Red

No thanks, I do not play Eastern or Asian MMO's as they all inevitably end up as trash with lots of bugs, hacks and poor gameplay.  I'll stick to GW2 for now and play Neverwinter and Elder Scrolls Online when they come out.  Now those are 2 great MMO's you can sink your teeth into.

You do know that majority of the games you posted have asian companies in the mix.

And the red part is funny considering almost all western mmo's have the same issue ;)

 

 

  Sovrath

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12/18/12 12:34:24 PM#30
Originally posted by Ramonski7

I got as far as this:

All the characters are classified by different classes which are fighter, ranger, sorcerer, beast, and tamer. We are still working on other new classes. We are considering a gender lock system but we can't give you any specific details on it just yet. Also the name of the classes may change in the future.

especially the underlined part and I lost interest. Gender lock and classes spoken under the same breathe is worrisome. Now if it were race and gender lock, I'm cool with that. But I'm not fond of gender locked classes. It automatically brings to mind Vindictus. In other words, shortcuts to keep up frame rates and graphic quality.

But what if it were something like an amazonian class or a priestess class of an all female sect?

If it makes sense then it makes sense. If it's just a generic "let's make magic users female and fighters male" withtout any basis then I would agree.

  Kniknax

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12/18/12 12:34:55 PM#31
Originally posted by eyelolled
I wouldn't install Chrome on my computer unless I planned to format it shortly.  As for the games, I think we have distinct differences of opinions.

Why? I used it for years, and way better than anything I have used. Are they nicking my data or something?

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  MMO_REVIEWER

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MMO's are the ark of the gaming world. let it take us in new directions

12/18/12 12:39:31 PM#32

Honestly, Black Desert didn't impress me with that video; Especially the ending. The visuals were very buggy, there was texture popping and LOD errors all over the place. I understand that this is probably alpha footage, but lets be realistic; we've seen far better Alpha gameplay footage from other games without all of the shadow/texture/LOD popping. C'mon it's 2012. Look at GW2's announcement trailer. It was absolutely beautiful. They made sure to put their best foot forward and show us their best. Look at Tera's early gameplay footage and the same goes for Firefall and TSW.  For a game that's being revealed to us at the tail end of 2012 and probably slated for release late 2013-2014 it's nowhere near impressive. The combat looks nice and all, but the visuals are just sloppy. Granted they have some nice views and it is very pretty, but it is sloppily done which puts me off quite a bit. And for some reason, no matter how hard I look at it, it feels asian. I don't quite know what the qualifying factor is - but before I even saw the name pop up on the screen I knew it was an asian MMO. Not necessarily Asian themed, but an asian made game. They all have this look and feel to them that I'd grown tired of ages ago. On top of that the visuals already look dated. With games like GW2, FFXIV, Firefall, and even Eve Online to compare with, this game looks very stale.

Archage - we'll just have to wait and see on that. I've seen some things about it though I haven't followed it all that closely. Looks to be pretty good, but I won't put my chips in just yet. Kept my comments short on Archage as I don't know all that much about it as of yet.

MMO's are the ark of the gaming world. Let it take us in new directions.

  Ramonski7

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12/18/12 12:41:29 PM#33
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Ramonski7

I got as far as this:

All the characters are classified by different classes which are fighter, ranger, sorcerer, beast, and tamer. We are still working on other new classes. We are considering a gender lock system but we can't give you any specific details on it just yet. Also the name of the classes may change in the future.

especially the underlined part and I lost interest. Gender lock and classes spoken under the same breathe is worrisome. Now if it were race and gender lock, I'm cool with that. But I'm not fond of gender locked classes. It automatically brings to mind Vindictus. In other words, shortcuts to keep up frame rates and graphic quality.

It is very common for Korean MMO's to be genderlocked. In TERA, I played a female warrior in beta testing but having to ride side saddle was just odd.  There is a different sense and sensibility in Korean games and they oftern don't translate well. Same goes for EU/American games going to Korea.

I was under the impression that only gender locked races existed in Tera. Did they change something after launch? I admit I bought and played for about a month before I quit and didn't look back. Also I'm aware of the commonplace for Korean devs to include gender locked classes for many of their early and f2p mmorpgs. I played Aika, Vindictus, Soul of the Nation, Forsaken Worlds and C9. I mean its ok, but I've never stuck long with a mmo that uses them.


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  botrytis

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12/18/12 12:44:52 PM#34
Originally posted by Ramonski7
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Ramonski7

I got as far as this:

All the characters are classified by different classes which are fighter, ranger, sorcerer, beast, and tamer. We are still working on other new classes. We are considering a gender lock system but we can't give you any specific details on it just yet. Also the name of the classes may change in the future.

especially the underlined part and I lost interest. Gender lock and classes spoken under the same breathe is worrisome. Now if it were race and gender lock, I'm cool with that. But I'm not fond of gender locked classes. It automatically brings to mind Vindictus. In other words, shortcuts to keep up frame rates and graphic quality.

It is very common for Korean MMO's to be genderlocked. In TERA, I played a female warrior in beta testing but having to ride side saddle was just odd.  There is a different sense and sensibility in Korean games and they oftern don't translate well. Same goes for EU/American games going to Korea.

I was under the impression that only gender locked races existed in Tera. Did they change something after launch? I admit I bought and played for about a month before I quit and didn't look back. Also I'm aware of the commonplace for Korean devs to include gender locked classes for many of their eary and f2p mmorpgs. I played Aika, Vindictus, Soul of the Nation, Forsaken Worlds and C9. I mean its ok, but I've never stuck long with a mmo that uses them.

Yes, the Elin and Popori races were changed for the release in America as was slight tweaks to others.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  Ramonski7

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12/18/12 12:48:05 PM#35
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Ramonski7

I got as far as this:

All the characters are classified by different classes which are fighter, ranger, sorcerer, beast, and tamer. We are still working on other new classes. We are considering a gender lock system but we can't give you any specific details on it just yet. Also the name of the classes may change in the future.

especially the underlined part and I lost interest. Gender lock and classes spoken under the same breathe is worrisome. Now if it were race and gender lock, I'm cool with that. But I'm not fond of gender locked classes. It automatically brings to mind Vindictus. In other words, shortcuts to keep up frame rates and graphic quality.

But what if it were something like an amazonian class or a priestess class of an all female sect?

If it makes sense then it makes sense. If it's just a generic "let's make magic users female and fighters male" withtout any basis then I would agree.

I would be fine with that IF it were the main reason for such a restriction. But we both know that more likely than not the main reason is to cut corners, improve performance or save cost.


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  Ramonski7

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12/18/12 1:01:23 PM#36
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Ramonski7
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Ramonski7

I got as far as this:

All the characters are classified by different classes which are fighter, ranger, sorcerer, beast, and tamer. We are still working on other new classes. We are considering a gender lock system but we can't give you any specific details on it just yet. Also the name of the classes may change in the future.

especially the underlined part and I lost interest. Gender lock and classes spoken under the same breathe is worrisome. Now if it were race and gender lock, I'm cool with that. But I'm not fond of gender locked classes. It automatically brings to mind Vindictus. In other words, shortcuts to keep up frame rates and graphic quality.

It is very common for Korean MMO's to be genderlocked. In TERA, I played a female warrior in beta testing but having to ride side saddle was just odd.  There is a different sense and sensibility in Korean games and they oftern don't translate well. Same goes for EU/American games going to Korea.

I was under the impression that only gender locked races existed in Tera. Did they change something after launch? I admit I bought and played for about a month before I quit and didn't look back. Also I'm aware of the commonplace for Korean devs to include gender locked classes for many of their eary and f2p mmorpgs. I played Aika, Vindictus, Soul of the Nation, Forsaken Worlds and C9. I mean its ok, but I've never stuck long with a mmo that uses them.

Yes, the Elin and Popori races were changed for the release in America as was slight tweaks to others.

I see. I'm curious now. What classes were restricted to the two races above? I know Elgin were female only and popori were  male only. Sorry for derailing the topic OP, I just want to know if and why they changed this when both gender restricted races could play any class to begin with.


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  Grumium

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12/24/12 1:45:01 AM#37
Unless they revamped Archeage its an old game. I played it around 5 or 6 years ago. It was an  Asian grinder that was boring. Nothing rocked about it.
  leoo88556

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12/24/12 2:52:20 AM#38

Agreed!

I notice that the games you pick both featuring their own sandbox elements, in my opinion seamless sandbox world is going to be very popular in the mmo genre for the next ten years or so because they hold the key for some major problems mmos have been suffering from recently!

For starters, no matter how briliant your development team is you'll always bump into the same gigantic stupid wall we called... comsumption rate, and this bastard never back down, not even for GW2, WoW, TSW or Rift. For PvE, game developers use monthly or annual updates to try to keep up the pace, and eventually they all failed because there're simply too many new games out there trying to steal their fan base, and these new comers are not even necessarily mmos. Some other company try to use PvP content to deal with this problem, but even though this method works better than the first one it's still not enough. PvPing for loot, rank or fame can only last for so long, btw why care about a garrison/capture point if it doesn't matter who has it is beyond me. Gamers require something more, something that can give them the sense of progression and involvement without the constant need of additional content or pointless power race.

  moosecatlol

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12/24/12 3:07:02 AM#39
If Black Desert's combat plays as good as it looks, and they're able to adapt to modern gameplay mechanics, then count me in.
  Loktofeit

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12/24/12 3:32:10 AM#40

You guys don't see the pattern here of being all pumped up for these games and then pitching a fit over the cash shop once it gets here?

In the past 9 years or so, have any of the ultimate sandbox or ultimate warfare game delivered?

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