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  Simphanatic

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Joined: 9/11/12
Posts: 94

The problem with virtually every MMORPG: too much Pavlov and not enough Maslow.

 
OP  12/17/12 1:01:04 AM#1

No denying it, this is a QQ, whine, or whatever derogatory label you want to attach.

 

I haven't posted here in a month or two because I've been off sampling MMORPGs; some had promise, most didn't. Aside from the fact most are carrot-and-stick themeparks, with little backstory, originality, or other trappings that would encourage staying in these virtual worlds, the gaming communities are horrendous. Griefing, ganking, trolling, snerting, and other sophomoric behavior seems the order of the day. I'm only 28, but my aversion to ubiquitous drug references and gratuitous profanity make me feel 68.

 

Now, it happens that I've a strident egalitarian viewpoint. In the world of online gaming I don't think it matters if you're 13 or 80, clergyman or felon, dropout or scholar; but is there no game-haven for a reasonably level-tempered, polite, somewhat well educated woman, who knows how to begin and end sentences that don't include an F-bomb?

 

Answer to that last question: apparently not. MMORPG and civility are mutually exclusive words.

 

Done looking for my holy-grail MMORPG; just ordered Elder Scrolls IV and V. No more watching snotty bastages pop their zit-sized brains onto game chatboxes or being ganked by immature turdmuffins.

 

 

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

12/17/12 1:26:26 AM#2
Originally posted by Simphanatic

No denying it, this is a QQ, whine, or whatever derogatory label you want to attach.

 

I haven't posted here in a month or two because I've been off sampling MMORPGs; some had promise, most didn't. Aside from the fact most are carrot-and-stick themeparks, with little backstory, originality, or other trappings that would encourage staying in these virtual worlds, the gaming communities are horrendous. Griefing, ganking, trolling, snerting, and other sophomoric behavior seems the order of the day. I'm only 28, but my aversion to ubiquitous drug references and gratuitous profanity make me feel 68.

 

Now, it happens that I've a strident egalitarian viewpoint. In the world of online gaming I don't think it matters if you're 13 or 80, clergyman or felon, dropout or scholar; but is there no game-haven for a reasonably level-tempered, polite, somewhat well educated woman, who knows how to begin and end sentences that don't include an F-bomb?

 

Answer to that last question: apparently not. MMORPG and civility are mutually exclusive words.

 

Done looking for my holy-grail MMORPG; just ordered Elder Scrolls IV and V. No more watching snotty bastages pop their zit-sized brains onto game chatboxes or being ganked by immature turdmuffins.

It's why many like you (and me) (and others on this site) are snubbing themepark games.  Sure themeparks won't go away, but the game you might be looking for is a sandbox.  Patient, understanding people live there.  Those that want everything NAOW!!111 end up leaving, because they can't find what they are looking for, and never will.

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
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Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  VengeSunsoar

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Joined: 3/10/04
Posts: 4845

Be Brief, Be Bright... Be Gone.

12/17/12 1:30:49 AM#3

Sandbox, themepark... won't make a difference.  The biggest difference between good and bad communities (other than guilds, it is your responsibility to find a group of people you like) is the size of the community.  Small games typically of more like minded people.  Sandboxes, so far, have better communities because they are smaller.  As sandbox becomes more popular I expect this to change.

So check out smaller communities.  Istaria is a nice one. 

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Magiknight

Novice Member

Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 744

12/17/12 1:31:37 AM#4
Apparently bad games attract bad people. This is nearly a decade (more like 9 years) in the making.
  User Deleted
12/17/12 1:34:10 AM#5

umadbro?

 

Sorry. I couldn't resist. 

 

edit: Are people really saying the community in sandboxes are better. Played EVE recently? 

  ZombieKen

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Joined: 3/30/10
Posts: 4410

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12/17/12 1:39:58 AM#6

Might want to try stepping away from mainstream games.

 

Think of it like this.  What kind of games could I play that the antagonist types would have no interest in?

 

You might find a gem where gameplay and community match your personality.

 

MSOTSG with PPE : Massively Single-player Online Task-driven Storyline Game with Purchasable Performance Enhancements *grin*

  User Deleted
12/17/12 1:49:38 AM#7

The Internet, by its very nature, is a rude environment. I can not see what games you have been playing in order to offer any real advice or alternatives. Your profile is empty of them. I can say that there are games like Lord of the Rings, Ryzom, and The Secret World (RP servers in particular) just for example with more mature communities than other games might offer. To a degree, maybe you are crying and quitting too easily. There is likely an MMORPG out there some where for you.

 

But... "turd-muffins" ... LOL. Reminds me of a girl in 3rd grade that thought "turdy" was a bad word. ;)

  Simphanatic

Novice Member

Joined: 9/11/12
Posts: 94

The problem with virtually every MMORPG: too much Pavlov and not enough Maslow.

 
OP  12/17/12 1:52:51 AM#8
Originally posted by ezpz77

umadbro?

 

Not so much mad as disgusted.

 

The late George Carlin once said: "Pot is supposed to heighten your personality -- but what if you're an asshole to begin with?"

MMORPGs obviously have the same affect on people.

 

Thanks for the advice about sandboxes -- I was surely acquainted with them before my most recent walkabout.

  User Deleted
12/17/12 2:02:00 AM#9
Originally posted by Simphanatic
Originally posted by ezpz77

umadbro?

 

Not so much mad as disgusted.

 

The late George Carlin once said: "Pot is supposed to heighten your personality -- but what if you're an asshole to begin with?"

MMORPGs obviously have the same affect on people.

 

Thanks for the advice about sandboxes -- I was surely acquainted with them before my most recent walkabout.

 

I'm just not real sure what outcome you were expecting. People are assholes on the internet, and MMO's have their own special breed of assholes. Find some like-minded people to play with and turn off general chat. It's really nothing to get upset about. If I let myself get upset over assholes on the internet, I'd probably be in a padded room right now. Just laugh at their stupidity or ignore it. 

  Magiknight

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Joined: 4/10/09
Posts: 744

12/17/12 2:05:26 AM#10
Originally posted by ezpz77
Originally posted by Simphanatic
Originally posted by ezpz77

umadbro?

 

Not so much mad as disgusted.

 

The late George Carlin once said: "Pot is supposed to heighten your personality -- but what if you're an asshole to begin with?"

MMORPGs obviously have the same affect on people.

 

Thanks for the advice about sandboxes -- I was surely acquainted with them before my most recent walkabout.

 

I'm just not real sure what outcome you were expecting. People are assholes on the internet, and MMO's have their own special breed of assholes. Find some like-minded people to play with and turn off general chat. It's really nothing to get upset about. If I let myself get upset over assholes on the internet, I'd probably be in a padded room right now. Just laugh at their stupidity or ignore it. 

But they weren't always such assholes or so stupid.

  junzo316

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Joined: 2/19/07
Posts: 1690

12/17/12 2:07:52 AM#11

One of the best communities I was ever a part of was CoH.  Since grouping was very encouraged, people seemed to just get along.   I've played many MMO's and the CoH community was the best.  Still friends with some of my SG mates I met in-game.  Sadly, the game was closed. (even though I stopped playing s few years back)

I would love to find a community like that again.  Though, I don't think that's going to happen.   =(

 

  Corehaven

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Joined: 7/27/11
Posts: 1574

I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

12/17/12 2:16:49 AM#12

Hey OP, if you haven't tried GW2, you could always log onto Maguuma, which is my server.  As for GW2 I've not seen hardly any rude behavior in the game as a whole. 

 

I'm in a very active, small guild.  We are all in our late 20's to late 30's.  I haven't hardly heard so much as a curse word out of any of them, and they're very very nice people.  Very polite, helpful, and pleasant to talk to over vent. 

 

If you ever do try GW2, pm me here on the site, and I'd be happy to send you a guild invite.  As I said, regarding GW2 as a whole, I've found it to be the mmorpg with the least amount of scum baggery. 

  User Deleted
12/17/12 3:31:22 AM#13
Originally posted by Simphanatic

No denying it, this is a QQ, whine, or whatever derogatory label you want to attach.

 

I haven't posted here in a month or two because I've been off sampling MMORPGs; some had promise, most didn't. Aside from the fact most are carrot-and-stick themeparks, with little backstory, originality, or other trappings that would encourage staying in these virtual worlds, the gaming communities are horrendous. Griefing, ganking, trolling, snerting, and other sophomoric behavior seems the order of the day. I'm only 28, but my aversion to ubiquitous drug references and gratuitous profanity make me feel 68.

 

Now, it happens that I've a strident egalitarian viewpoint. In the world of online gaming I don't think it matters if you're 13 or 80, clergyman or felon, dropout or scholar; but is there no game-haven for a reasonably level-tempered, polite, somewhat well educated woman, who knows how to begin and end sentences that don't include an F-bomb?

 

Answer to that last question: apparently not. MMORPG and civility are mutually exclusive words.

 

Done looking for my holy-grail MMORPG; just ordered Elder Scrolls IV and V. No more watching snotty bastages pop their zit-sized brains onto game chatboxes or being ganked by immature turdmuffins.

 

 

Hear hear.

  jpnz

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Joined: 6/29/06
Posts: 3565

12/17/12 4:02:11 AM#14

Amazes me that people still expect other people to play nice when the population is 100k-500k for most themepark MMOs and 10 Million for WoW.

If I go to a city in real life that has more than 100k+ people, do I expect to only see 'nice' people?

No, I don't.

So why does anyone expect that in the virtual world where you are anonymous?

Doesn't make sense.

I actually talked about why you should find a community first and then an MMO in another recent thread;

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/371602/page/1

 

Most things have changed quite a lot since we first got MMOs, why do you think the community aspect hasn't changed since?

 

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  maplestone

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Joined: 12/10/08
Posts: 3109

12/17/12 4:05:34 AM#15

*starts to type something witty, intelligent and optimistic to restore your faith in humanity and gaming*

*waits for the words to come out*

*keeps waiting*

For crying out loud, brain, where are you when I need you?!

  Scalpless

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Joined: 3/22/07
Posts: 1313

12/17/12 4:31:22 AM#16

1) Find a good guild

2) Don't listen to general chat or turn it off

3) Have fun

I've played GW2 for a couple of months and joined a PUG for a dungeon a couple of days ago. Well, we got ourselves a guy who seemed to spend more time typing swear words in chat than playing, died constantly and had a crappy build. So, I guess I was lucky my group was 4/5 competent, but that's the first time I've had to deal with kind of that behaviour in GW2, because I avoid PUGs.

  Simphanatic

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Joined: 9/11/12
Posts: 94

The problem with virtually every MMORPG: too much Pavlov and not enough Maslow.

 
OP  12/17/12 7:28:45 PM#17
Originally posted by jpnz

Amazes me that people still expect other people to play nice when the population is 100k-500k for most themepark MMOs and 10 Million for WoW.

If I go to a city in real life that has more than 100k+ people, do I expect to only see 'nice' people?

No, I don't.

So why does anyone expect that in the virtual world where you are anonymous?

Doesn't make sense.

I actually talked about why you should find a community first and then an MMO in another recent thread;

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/371602/page/1

 

Most things have changed quite a lot since we first got MMOs, why do you think the community aspect hasn't changed since?

 

You know what? You're absolutely correct. Maybe I am being naive with regard to my expectations. So, no more MMORPGs for me. In the past 12 years I've perpetually maintained at least one game subscription, sometimes as many as three. I've also dropped a fair amount of cash in various F2P cash shops and more money for other F2P financial models (a la LotRo). LOL ... I doubt my financial contributions will be missed, but it's a revenue source game managers -- who can't or won't police their player base -- will not be be getting.

 

Somehow, I doubt I'm a lone voice in the wilderness, and I wonder at the impact of cash-ready customers, like me, who're fleeing MMORPGs to seek more conducive sources of entertainment. That's really the larger question I was implying when I started this thread.

  StonesDK

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Joined: 8/06/11
Posts: 1836

12/17/12 7:36:27 PM#18

Just to provide some equilibrium to this thread.

Just like the examples mentioned which I agree with. It's equally bad to be part of communities with women or people in general that tries to slap a PG-13 on the guild chat, just because she/they are offended by the F word. Specially if said community is an adult one and can easily distinguish betweem excessive foul language and the occational swearing and said drug reference. I'd much rather you people just removed yourself and play in your own little bubble.

Other than that your other examples are spot on which I again... largely agree with

  aleos

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12/17/12 7:41:26 PM#19

i laughed so hard.

The entire post was direct and serious and then turdmuffins

  Quizzical

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12/17/12 7:46:44 PM#20
Games based around killing and looting monsters attract a bad crowd.  If you want a good community, you have to pick a game where the bad apples would be horribly bored and soon quit.
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