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  Vorthanion

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12/17/12 8:19:47 PM#21
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by maplestone

What do you mean by turn-based? 

Anything that involves waiting for other people to submit their turn is not going to scale very well as your number of players increases.  If you are thinking of giving players one action every so many units of time, then you're essentially talking cooldowns.

Exactly. OP, turn-based combat required a pause in time for playing one's turn. How would you go about incorporating such a mechanic in your fully realized 3D world without instancing the combat?

Just like they do in Wizard 101, you would go into combat mode and all participants would take their turn based on initiative and any other bonuses applied.  It could be grid based like many of the games of old or some localized kind of arena similar to the Heroes of Might and Magic series.

I would love a fully realized persistant world MMO with turn based or any other more tactical, slower paced combat mechanic.

 

I came to MMOs to get away from all of the action / arcade style games, only to eventually have it corrupted by the action junkies who would rather ruin our genre than stick with the games that already cater to their play styles.  It's one thing to have the genre expand to MMOFPS or MMORTS and so forth, it's quite another when they gripe so much they end up changing virtually every upcoming  MMORPG to look and play more like Doom than the games many of us came here to love.

  Wizardry

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12/17/12 8:22:32 PM#22

Turn based =single player gaming FFX .

I prefer when login to a MMO to have more realsitic combat,with weapon delays and outside factors.FFXI

 

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  Loktofeit

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12/17/12 9:00:00 PM#23
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by maplestone

What do you mean by turn-based? 

Anything that involves waiting for other people to submit their turn is not going to scale very well as your number of players increases.  If you are thinking of giving players one action every so many units of time, then you're essentially talking cooldowns.

Exactly. OP, turn-based combat required a pause in time for playing one's turn. How would you go about incorporating such a mechanic in your fully realized 3D world without instancing the combat?

Just like they do in Wizard 101, you would go into combat mode and all participants would take their turn based on initiative and any other bonuses applied.  It could be grid based like many of the games of old or some localized kind of arena similar to the Heroes of Might and Magic series.

I would love a fully realized persistant world MMO with turn based or any other more tactical, slower paced combat mechanic.

I came to MMOs to get away from all of the action / arcade style games, only to eventually have it corrupted by the action junkies who would rather ruin our genre than stick with the games that already cater to their play styles.  It's one thing to have the genre expand to MMOFPS or MMORTS and so forth, it's quite another when they gripe so much they end up changing virtually every upcoming  MMORPG to look and play more like Doom than the games many of us came here to love.

I guess we just have different ideas of what a "fully realized 3D world" is. I have nothing against the way KingsIsle does combat and I rather enjoy it, but it does create a distinct and unavoidable break in the world environment when one joins battle.

 

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  Mister_Re

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12/17/12 10:04:50 PM#24
It would have to be similar to ffx 13's (1/2) combat. IIRC it's referred to as active time combat.
  darkhalf357x

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12/17/12 10:14:35 PM#25

I like how MMO combat is today.  Turn-based is great for single player RPGs.  I loved turn-based when I played Chrono Trigger.  But what I love about MMOs is that its a hybrid of turn based coupled with time management (essentially cooldowns).  It keeps the pace at a good level while maintaining the stat based strategy of combat.

Turn-based in an MMO today would be too slow.  Anything you implement to speed it up would make it similiar to how it is today, or possibly worse.

I will say I dont like the action combat in my MMORPG.  I dont like moving when I fight ... but thats a throwback to how I originally played RPGs to begin with.

  MyTabbycat

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12/17/12 10:24:28 PM#26
I personally cannot stand turn based combat. In my opinion it's incredibly stupid that your character just stands there while getting smacked by someone or something else and waits until it's their turn to defend themselves and hit back. It completely ruins the immersion of the game. If they do make MMO's with turn based combat, I won't buy them.
  lorewise

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OP  12/18/12 12:26:55 AM#27

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

So far I've seen that a few people would embrace turn based combat and others have reservations or just wouldn't like it in a 3D MMORPG.  I may try to coalesce this feedback and add it to the original post. Any thoughts on the matter is appreciated, especially if you would like to see a game like this, and if so what would you like to see or what would you be afraid of.

I'm checking out the suggestions a few of you made regarding Atlantica and Wizard 101, thanks to those of you who have suggested them!

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