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Originally posted by KingGator
I can tell from all the hate this game is getting it will probably be a solid title.

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Even though I feel that the "standard MMO format" is bland garbage, I still think people have to make up their own minds. I think that Information is always good to have, but the tone of your public service announcement was at odds with your professed intent.

Waiting to see but honestly not expecting much....

 - Not the same Studio/Team that's responsible for TES single player RPG's.

- Not all that long before the announcement of TESO came out one of the main developers responsible for the single-player games responded to fan questions about turning the series into an MMO said that he felt  the TES series wouldn't work as an MMO and would make a pretty crappy one if they tried. Whoops! "arrow to the knee", I guess corporate forgot to fill him in on thier plans! FWIW, I tend to agree with him...and he WAS alot of the creative talent that helped make the series popular in the first place.

That being said, it might be worth the price of $30-$40 for a couple month's entertainment....or it might not...we'll wait and see what folks I know (not reporters) have to say about it when it comes out..... worst comes to worst, I can probably check it out F2P in a couple years time. YMMV.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by Boonshniggle

Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.

If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise.

If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

Some will never learn and will always expect a game to be something it isn't. SWTOR is prime example of this.  Too many wanted it to be something it was never designed to be and as such were very pissed when it wasn't SWG2 or an X-Wing vs TIE Fighter MMO, oh well, it's their fault for not doing the proper research and reading between the lines to figure out for themselves.  I for one could tell right off the bat that it wasn't going to be what either of those groups wanted.  I still play the game because I still have fun playing it.  It ain't perfect but it isn't a pile of trash like those that created false hype for themselves and those like them claim it to be.

Players need to stop looking through rose colored glasses and learn to comprhend the info put out by these companies.  They are all in business for one reason, to make a profit period.  They will skew things as much as possible to draw you in without stepping over that perverbial line that would result in lawsuites.  It's your money, and in the end, its your responsibility to know what you are buying.

It's never the customers fault. If you create something and it fails because it does not meet the expectations of the market then it is your fault as the developer and no one else.

Now if you mean it is the customers fault for buying something that they dont want then isnt this exactly what the OP is doing? Warning, those of us who dont like ThemePark garbage, to stay away from it? Yet he is at fault as well.

I guess it is everyone's fault except the bussiness, they are just here to make profit so they cant ever be at fault. 

You can put a cute little emoticon at the end of your post but you obviously haven't heard of Caveat emptor now have you.  It is YOUR fault if you buy something and it isn't what you expected unless you were obviously lied to.  Get a clue dude, it's your money.  If buy something and let yourself be fooled it aint the companies fault unless they lied to you.  If they did then prove it in a court of law.

Now if they totally screw up and made something that is in no way what the market research says the customer wants, then it is their fault, but in my opinion that is not what EA/Bioware did.  They stated what there plans were and stupid people twisted that info into what they wanted to hear.  In other words, for those that wanted the type of game I listed above it is their own damn fault they got let down if they believed it was going to be SWG2 of a free roam space type of game because that is what Star Wars is all about and in truth, space has almost nothing at all to do with what Star Wars was all about.  It was about redemption, period. 

Now if they are in the group that are all pissed because there are no chat bubbles, or they need add-ons to succeed or in any other small minority of people that hate the game because it doesn't have X then oh well, they should have done more research to see it their must haves were in the game, and since they obviously didn't, it's their fault! 

My point is still true.  Research something before you buy into hype or you will be dissappointed and that is in no way Company X's fault.  Gamers like to blame the company for their own shortsightedness and don't like to take RESPONSIBILITY for their actions.  It's time to grow the fuck up and stop blaming others for ones own mistakes.

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By the way, if people need to be warned, then maybe they need to find another hobby because they obviously don't learn from mistakes. 

Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

Waiting to see but honestly not expecting much....

 - Not the same Studio/Team that's responsible for TES single player RPG's.

- Not all that long before the announcement of TESO came out one of the main developers responsible for the single-player games responded to fan questions about turning the series into an MMO said that he felt  the TES series wouldn't work as an MMO and would make a pretty crappy one if they tried. Whoops! "arrow to the knee", I guess corporate forgot to fill him in on thier plans! FWIW, I tend to agree with him...and he WAS alot of the creative talent that helped make the series popular in the first place.

 

That being said, it might be worth the price of $30-$40 for a couple month's entertainment....or it might not...we'll wait and see what folks I know (not reporters) have to say about it when it comes out..... worst comes to worst, I can probably check it out F2P in a couple years time. YMMV.

Ummm, they still think it's a bad idea and they still are not developing an Elder Scrolls MMO. like you said, they are letting a completely different developement team take the risk while they just get a percentage off what they sell for using their IP to do it.

If Bethesda felt it was a good risk for them to take, they would...but they aren't.

Bethesda literally has no hands in the developement of this game. ZERO. They are merely leasing the IP, nothing else.

Considering none of the developers from any other Elder Scrolls game are working on ESO, its hard to expect something consistent, at least in terms of gameplay, to any of the previous titles.

Interesting how people don't even wait for a game to be out in beta before they start to bash it.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Yamota
I agree with OP. Unless we MMO gamers stop buying this dumbing down and mainstreaming of awesome IPs then this garbage will continue to be released.

yeah but that assumes everyone has a problem with it but we are all "for some reason" still buying it.

I bet dollars to donuts that there are plenty of people who have no problem with buying a game, having fun in it for a small bit, not expecting the holy grail of games or seeking "NEW AND IMPROVED"  and then moving on.

Exactly my perspective.  I'm not looking for The One True Game(tm). It literally doesn't and will never exist.  NO actual game will ever be able to live up to peoples projections, expectations and the inevitable media hype.  

All I'm looking for these days, is a game thats entertaining.  If thats only for a month or two, then so be it.  Longer would be a bonus, but its not a requirement. 

This is not about the One True game. This is about great IPs being butchered and dumbed down to cater to the masses.

Skyrim was an awesome game so an MMO like Skyrim would be even more awesome. However since the masses want to all be the "heroes" and be able to "finish the game" then instead of creating a Skyrim experience in an MMO setting, then they instead create some generic ThemePark, single player garbage where everyone can be a hero and now you get to pay a monthly fee for it. YAY!

The "masses" (main stream) is where the most money is. These games tend to be very expensive, so they get directed at the demographic that is likely to bring in the most return on investment. Thats simply how the free market (such as it is) works.  There is MUCH more market for theme park games, than for sand box at this point. 

WoW is a classic example of a theme park.  For all of those who howl about Blizzards game, its obvious that millions and millions of people consider it to be of enough value, to continue to pay a monthy subscription...For years and years now.  It has made them billions of dollars. 

I'm going to wait until the game actually launches, and see how it plays.  I suggest that everyone make their own decision in that regard. 

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Yamota
I agree with OP. Unless we MMO gamers stop buying this dumbing down and mainstreaming of awesome IPs then this garbage will continue to be released.

yeah but that assumes everyone has a problem with it but we are all "for some reason" still buying it.

I bet dollars to donuts that there are plenty of people who have no problem with buying a game, having fun in it for a small bit, not expecting the holy grail of games or seeking "NEW AND IMPROVED"  and then moving on.

Exactly my perspective.  I'm not looking for The One True Game(tm). It literally doesn't and will never exist.  NO actual game will ever be able to live up to peoples projections, expectations and the inevitable media hype.  

All I'm looking for these days, is a game thats entertaining.  If thats only for a month or two, then so be it.  Longer would be a bonus, but its not a requirement. 

This is not about the One True game. This is about great IPs being butchered and dumbed down to cater to the masses.

Skyrim was an awesome game so an MMO like Skyrim would be even more awesome. However since the masses want to all be the "heroes" and be able to "finish the game" then instead of creating a Skyrim experience in an MMO setting, then they instead create some generic ThemePark, single player garbage where everyone can be a hero and now you get to pay a monthly fee for it. YAY!

The "masses" (main stream) is where the most money is. These games tend to be very expensive, so they get directed at the demographic that is likely to bring in the most return on investment. Thats simply how the free market (such as it is) works.  There is MUCH more market for theme park games, than for sand box at this point. 

WoW is a classic example of a theme park.  For all of those who howl about Blizzards game, its obvious that millions and millions of people consider it to be of enough value, to continue to pay a monthy subscription...For years and years now.  It has made them billions of dollars. 

I'm going to wait until the game actually launches, and see how it plays.  I suggest that everyone make their own decision in that regard. 

You spoke true words, BMO. WoW is the major example what kind of players make majority in MMO market. Still, WoW is top quality product in technical terms, based on Lore already established amongst majority of players, Blizzard is huge company with huge experince prior to WoW launch. And, WoW still lives.

And how can you take a cut from WoW's market pie, longterm? Can you do it by making MMO with similar gameplay design, only by adding FPV combat which is also simplified compared to original TES. Can you do it with less budget than your competitor, and less support? Why would players abandon WoW or any other similar established MMO to pay and play rader another similar MMO with minor inovations? GW2 had inovations, but is not successful enough. 

Being new at something for MMO is just not enough. You have to be truly revolutionary and offer something that engages players in quite different ways, and for that fact people would leave WoW type MMO and try something completely new. Unfortunately, ESO didn't present it self in that light, and it is fair to expect not to be the new MMO experience.

Originally posted by Boonshniggle

You guys do still understand this will not be anything like previous Elder Scrolls games? It literally will be mainly a standard MMO formula set in an Elder Scrolls universe?

As long as that's what you are expecting, then I am happy.

But if you except a game that plays anything like previous Elder Scrolls titles with MMO elements to it.....it just isn't going to be that.

The studio developing this game probably isn't capable of making even a good mediocre true Elder Scrolls single player game, let alone an MMO one.

They are mainly using Elder Scrolls for lore and setting....not in anyway the actual gameplay. Just the limited video out there showing you any sort of combat is already proof of that.

I hope I am wrong, I doubt that though.

And do you understand for example, franchise based pinball machines while not anything like the material they were taken from, were still very much like pinball, which is what the majority of pinball players actually wanted.

OP, why do you assume that the play style you don't enjoy ins't enjoyed by others?

I am very interested in TEO.  But thanks for trying to tell me what games I should support.  Who are you again?  Oh that's right...

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Originally posted by Boonshniggle
Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.

If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise.

If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

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The whole "It's not an Elder Scrolls game" baffles me.

Do people who use the same logic with Mario games? "Mario Kart isn't a Mario game as It's not a platformer!"

Whatever they develop it IS going to be an Elder Scrolls game. Looks like it's going to be fun from what little I have seen.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Boonshniggle
Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.

 

If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise.

If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

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What if you're wrong?

They have a three hundred million dollar budget. What if the world is actually fleshed out, there is a lot of content and players don't have to wait three months after release to see the entire game?

What if WoW, but Elder Scrolls with fully fleshed out content is exactly what people want?

* Bonus What If. What if the game is Buy to Play when it releases?

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Scratch that. The company just received a three hundred million dollar investment. That's not the budget for the game itself.

 

Anybody that has followed MMO's pre and post launch can see the writting on the wall. "megaserver"  let me translate that for you massive number of instances. What are instances? they are nothing more than a band aid fix for lack of content. Thus corner cutting. The info  on this game is full of BS hype from the devs.

They are after the box sales thats for sure. Its kind of like FFXI, it sold a large number of box sales predicated on the name Final Fantasy. It left a sour taste in a lot of FF fans, but XI itself turned out to be an overwhelming success (500k subs for 5-6 years) for a niche type game. TESO is doing the same thing but following the model that has been tried and tested, and only lasts for 90 days max. If I were them I would offer life time subs, and be laughing all the way to the bank. You better believe a cash grab attempt such as this, there will be subs, they can milk a good month or 2 out of it.

Ill play this game when it goes F2P just for the lore, atleast I hope they dont screw that up.

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Originally posted by toddze

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Originally posted by lizardbones  

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Originally posted by Boonshniggle Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.   If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment. I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement. This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise. If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

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What if you're wrong? They have a three hundred million dollar budget. What if the world is actually fleshed out, there is a lot of content and players don't have to wait three months after release to see the entire game? What if WoW, but Elder Scrolls with fully fleshed out content is exactly what people want? * Bonus What If. What if the game is Buy to Play when it releases? ** edit ** Scratch that. The company just received a three hundred million dollar investment. That's not the budget for the game itself.  

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Anybody that has followed MMO's pre and post launch can see the writting on the wall. "megaserver"  let me translate that for you massive number of instances. What are instances? they are nothing more than a band aid fix for lack of content. Thus corner cutting. The info  on this game is full of BS hype from the devs.

They are after the box sales thats for sure. Its kind of like FFXI, it sold a large number of box sales predicated on the name Final Fantasy. It left a sour taste in a lot of FF fans, but XI itself turned out to be an overwhelming success (500k subs for 5-6 years) for a niche type game. TESO is doing the same thing but following the model that has been tried and tested, and only lasts for 90 days max. If I were them I would offer life time subs, and be laughing all the way to the bank. You better believe a cash grab attempt such as this, there will be subs, they can milk a good month or 2 out of it.

Ill play this game when it goes F2P just for the lore, atleast I hope they dont screw that up.

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I think the take away for the consumer/gamer is going to be that just because they liked the Elder Scrolls single-player games is no reason to assume they are going to like TESO, it's a different game made in a different format by a different development studio using the same IP. So the consumer/gamer really is going to have to do some research into TESO's own merits qualities to understand if they will like it or not.

To use an analogy, I like Buck Knives, I've owned a few and they've always performed well. When I go to the store and see a new model Buck Knife, I can have a reasonably high assurance that I'm going to like it even if I haven't done any consumer research on it. However if go shopping for DvD players and I see one with the same name as one of the Buck Knife models, that doesn't really tell me anything about whether I'm going to like it or not.

Originally posted by Boonshniggle

Mark my words, this will be a standard cookie cutter MMO. It will not have anything revolutionary, at least not in any big way. The Elder Scrolls brand is being used as nothing but Lore and an Atmosphere for their world. The game itself will be very much so your standard WoW, SWTOR, Everquest, etc. type affair, just set in an Elder Scrolls universe.

If you think this will play anything remotely like Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim and with MMO elements, you are going to be setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

I really hope gamers learned from SWTOR and not listen to any hype, especially when a franchise you love is at stake. Please, be critical and logical and don't let your hope blind your logic and judgement.

This is the truth, rather you like it or not. So many of my friends didn't listen to me about SWTOR and every one of them regrets their purchase and support of that product. Now those same friends are getting hyped about this game thinking it will be MMO Skyrim. They will not listen to me say otherwise.

If you guys want to think it will be MMO Skyrim, go ahead, but at least this time I can feel I tried to warn more people about a brand that is mostly being used to rape your wallets and do nothing but build hype....for the most part anyways.

People are lemmings, surely you've realized that by now.  It doesn't matter how bad a game fails and even when all of the potential failings are right there slapping them in the face...as long as it's new and shiny they are going to spend the money.  More power to them, it's their time and money.  Let them waste it.

But this is by no means an Elder Scrolls game and my guess is that the fans that really do enjoy these games like myself can already see the writing on the wall.