Originally posted by stygianapoth

pvp in this game is just a mindless 5 man zerg for 1 of 3 points. it doesn't matter what build or character you have, it matters if you can out number the opposing factions and keep the nodes.

on top of that, there is no progression or accomplishment. gw2 offers no rewards whatsoever for being "good"

i quit after a week when the game came out because of the above points. if there is nothing to accomplish, what is the point of playing? especially when it all boils down to zerging.

maybe they havent played any pvp games before? or just wow ?

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

Simply becuase this game is best for PvP

Only game with better PvP is Knight Online World and that can be argued.

Really! perhaps you need to have a read of this before you claim GW2 is the best PVP game around, GW2 PvP is near on meaningless .

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5454980#5454980

Maybe his opinion is based on his own experiences instead of what others have to say about it, something i can advise more then half the posters in this thread.

Originally posted by stygianapoth

pvp in this game is just a mindless 5 man zerg for 1 of 3 points. it doesn't matter what build or character you have, it matters if you can out number the opposing factions and keep the nodes.

It would seem that way to an unorganised pvp noob, but it is not the case. 

on top of that, there is no progression or accomplishment. gw2 offers no rewards whatsoever for being "good"

The rewards for being good will come from the official tournaments.  They are tweaking the class balance before starting these.

i quit after a week when the game came out because of the above points. if there is nothing to accomplish, what is the point of playing? especially when it all boils down to zerging.

It doesn't boil down to zerging, but if you want PvP to be about gear like in WoW then it isn't the right game for you.

Originally posted by stygianapoth

pvp in this game is just a mindless 5 man zerg for 1 of 3 points. it doesn't matter what build or character you have, it matters if you can out number the opposing factions and keep the nodes.

on top of that, there is no progression or accomplishment. gw2 offers no rewards whatsoever for being "good"

i quit after a week when the game came out because of the above points. if there is nothing to accomplish, what is the point of playing? especially when it all boils down to zerging.

and you came now after 3 months ?

try to play at least free tournaments at this moment, you can join even solo and there you will find also premade teams ... then come again .

Originally posted by Rimmersman
My opinion is based on my own experience having played both games. GW2 has the most mindless, boring, near pointless PvP in any MMO on the market today.

And with no descriptive reasoning, explanation or evidence to back up your opinion, we have a clear winner of the thread here everybody. 

I think people should take Shaky's example and distinguish between the types of PvP you're referring to or we're going to miss the bus to constructive debate. 

For example: Arena-type PvP and World PvP are incomparables but still fall under the broad term of PvP. 

With the exception of activities like Snowball fighting and Keg Brawl, I suck in GW2's structured PvP so I haven't experienced it enough to comment. >.<

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

Simply becuase this game is best for PvP

Only game with better PvP is Knight Online World and that can be argued.

Really! perhaps you need to have a read of this before you claim GW2 is the best PVP game around, GW2 PvP is near on meaningless .

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5454980#5454980

Maybe his opinion is based on his own experiences instead of what others have to say about it, something i can advise more then half the posters in this thread.

 

My opinion is based on my own experience having played both games. GW2 has the most mindless, boring, near pointless PvP in any MMO on the market today.

I like how the link you posted has like 5 comments. Shows how great that games pvp is...

Different PvP games cater to different players. If you dont know the types and subtypes ie; FFA, Loot drop/non, Open World, Instanced, RvR, Balanced, player based economies, and so on.

Going back to Ultima Online and before that text based games like Space Merchant, you should know that every person has their niche. Now days games are catered to more casual gamers (WoW, LoL, Rift, Diablo 3), that isn't an insult its just a business decision. Hopefully in the future some of us hardcore pvper's can find a real home because the fact is that I feel that I don't have one. Last two would have to have been DAOC(2004 RIP) and EVE (2008 RIP), this is just my honest opinion.

Guild Wars 2 would be just that an option that seems to try and bridge PvP and Casual PvP, and I can respect that.

As to people complaining about hacks and cheats, all I gotta say is get better. I have been one of the best in any game I've ever played and yes that includes me beating cheaters and hackers. Planetside 2 as an example since its recent, I was number one for weeks during the CB and OB. Yes there were hackers and aim botters, but they can only aim as good as you can get and they definitely cannot hack a brain. Here is why some of us including myself love PVP, the situations are unlimited and the solutions are infinite as well. 

And to those that think that classes or builds or gear have anything to do with winning in any game that is semi balanced, I have to say I usually play healer or support classes which until recently were always passive and not geared for fighting 1 on 1 or say 2-3 or 10 on 1, but strategy/patience/execution is what sets things in stone. I have also taken off my gear in almost every game and beat fully geared opponents as well. 

You win some you lose some, but you always gain experience.

www.addictguild.com

Originally posted by stygianapoth

pvp in this game is just a mindless 5 man zerg for 1 of 3 points. it doesn't matter what build or character you have, it matters if you can out number the opposing factions and keep the nodes.

on top of that, there is no progression or accomplishment. gw2 offers no rewards whatsoever for being "good"

i quit after a week when the game came out because of the above points. if there is nothing to accomplish, what is the point of playing? especially when it all boils down to zerging.

Try a tournament, or better yet, a payed tourney (typically called tPvP). The basic hot-joinable sPvP matches are generally lower-skill, with just casual or semi-hardcore PvPers. Teams do not require little teamwork, or specific builds or meta. However in tournaments and especially payed tourneys, the skill level, the teamwork the meta is significantly higher. To the point that yes, this game does have the best PvP in the genre (by a long shot IMHO).

I must say I'm not entirely sure you played much of the game at all.. if at all. I say this for several reasons. First, you mention fighting other factions (which I highlighted). The game has no factions, and it's immediately obvious the moment you create a character.

If you speak the truth and you quite after the first week the game was out I suggest trying it again. The PvP has come a long way, there have been a number of great improvements, not to mention new sPvP maps. As to the 'there are no rewards' thing, the devs have actively said they want to do something about that. Though I wouldn't expect anything that will make you statistically more powerful than others. That just isn't the way this game works.

After playing DAoC for years, and every AAA mmo since, i have to say the pvp in GW2 is not very good. The PvP zones are too small. There is no real reason for doing anything. They need to award Karma for killing people. The giant red names that appear through solid objects need to go. Add /stick and /face.

Agree with others who say the pvp in GW1 was much better. Was hoping for that kind of experience in this game, sadly it's no good. The PVE is pretty fun for a while though.

Originally posted by korent1991

but it does offer you progression... you level up, just like you would level up in PvE (but here you get PvP levels), you get better looking gear

like i said, no progression.

Originally posted by Fion
It doesn't have open world PvP, thats true. They clearly decided against that but certainly some folks prefer it. But as far as structured team tournament PvP, there is no competition IMHO. I also think their server vs server PvP is the current best, though it also needs some serious attention and fixes.

The arena pvp is quite okay and the server vs server is decent, it's mostly big zergs and clusterfucks which they encourage. The open world pvp is something I'd really like to have, not being able to talk to your enemies is damn boring imo. The fact that you cannot even see their name is just terrible imo.

Originally posted by KingJiggly

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Rimmersman

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

Simply becuase this game is best for PvP

Only game with better PvP is Knight Online World and that can be argued.

Really! perhaps you need to have a read of this before you claim GW2 is the best PVP game around, GW2 PvP is near on meaningless .

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5454980#5454980

Maybe his opinion is based on his own experiences instead of what others have to say about it, something i can advise more then half the posters in this thread.

 

My opinion is based on my own experience having played both games. GW2 has the most mindless, boring, near pointless PvP in any MMO on the market today.

I like how the link you posted has like 5 comments. Shows how great that games pvp is...

The games in beta lol.

I started laughing after seeing the words Gw2 and good................. Alot of delusional ppl.

Terms seem to be splashed around a bit.IF you mean the small group 15 minute fights....I have no experience or interest.

IF you mean WvW.That I have an interest in and opinion.WvW in GW2 is more like a basketball game than warfare. Just drink 5 Red Bull's and run around in a zerg 24/7 taking the same places over and over and over again as the enemy faction takes thaem back and so you retake...until you drop.

sounds like great fun...huh  ?