Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by ignore_me

MMOs keep moing toward stripped down experiences. Problem is they don't have the action that other games incorporate so MMORPGs are now simply quest hubs with boring tab and target combat (no world, few systems, egalitarian loot systems). New combat styles don't seem to work either commercially, so I dont know how this will get better. I am semi-hopeful for EQNext but I'm pretty sure it will be a let down too.

 

That is the issue .. you restrict yourself to MMORPGs. There are MMOFPS (like PS2) that are not boring tab & target combat.

Or you can play online action RPG like D3, which has much better combat. Marvel Heroes, a new F2P MMO, is also going to have action diablo type combat.

It is getting good, as long as you consider similar to, but strictly not MMOs. There are also RTS combat games, like LOL, and vehicle action combat onlinge games like WOT and MWO.

 

This is true :) , and I should have added that I do enjoy those other game types. If you include those I am more hopeful, but as for the MMORPGs I just don't know.

Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by ignore_me

MMOs keep moing toward stripped down experiences. Problem is they don't have the action that other games incorporate so MMORPGs are now simply quest hubs with boring tab and target combat (no world, few systems, egalitarian loot systems). New combat styles don't seem to work either commercially, so I dont know how this will get better. I am semi-hopeful for EQNext but I'm pretty sure it will be a let down too.

 

That is the issue .. you restrict yourself to MMORPGs. There are MMOFPS (like PS2) that are not boring tab & target combat.

Or you can play online action RPG like D3, which has much better combat. Marvel Heroes, a new F2P MMO, is also going to have action diablo type combat.

It is getting good, as long as you consider similar to, but strictly not MMOs. There are also RTS combat games, like LOL, and vehicle action combat onlinge games like WOT and MWO.

 

This is true :) , and I should have added that I do enjoy those other game types. If you include those I am more hopeful, but as for the MMORPGs I just don't know.

Sure. And that is the point. MMORPGs is just a slice (even a small slice) of gaming. I highly doubt, even here, there are many that won't play other games.

And there are also many type of games that are close to, but strictly speaking not MMOs. I doubt most people make that distinction. Even marketing research of the MMO market will include games like LOL and WOT.

From my perspective, having grown up in the 70's and 80's, gaming has never been better.  I can play all my old games DRM Free (no disc, no copy protection) through GoG.com (no more having to screw with autoexec.bat, fiddling with the sys file to manage upper memory, no more sound driver issues).  I have more sub free options in gaming than ever before and more games than I have time to play.

P.S. It's the last day you can get Duke Nukem 3D from GoG for free.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

From my perspective, having grown up in the 70's and 80's, gaming has never been better.  I can play all my old games DRM Free (no disc, no copy protection) through GoG.com (no more having to screw with autoexec.bat, fiddling with the sys file to manage upper memory, no more sound driver issues).  I have more sub free options in gaming than ever before and more games than I have time to play.

P.S. It's the last day you can get Duke Nukem 3D from GoG for free.

I agree.

Particularly lots of new game types and good games in the online space. There are a lot of indie dev.

I started on my Apple 2+ roughly around Ultima 3 time .. and today i am having much more fun than then.

MMOs, when you really think about it, are pretty awful video games.  They're laggy out of necessity.  The content is fairly repetitive and uninspired most of the time.  The treadmill structure is a transparent money grab, even with FTP models.  What really makes them a marvelous genre is the fact that you have to play with other people.  Unfortunately, modern MMOs create an environment where you don't really have to cooperate with anyone ever if you don't want to.

Sure, forced grouping was a PITA.  Excessive downtime was a PITA.  Large death penalties were a huge PITA.  But they forced a sense of community onto a bunch of strangers, which made the games memorable and fun.  MMO developers don't seem to really be trying to do that anymore, and I'm probably too old to be making new friends on the internet anyway.

So, I just make do with the new, slick pap that gets churned out.  It comes almost too fast to keep track of.  The new MMO titles of 2012 have buzzed by, and I can barely remember most of them.  2013 will probably be even busier.

I don't mean to make the old, non-solo MMOs out to be some kind of heaven.  They tended to be elitist, cloistered, stressful communities infatuated with getting better loot or being seen as "the best" at....whatever.  Still, they were communities.  I always put off the neurotic nature of those communities to the character of the members rather than the MMO they happened to inhabit.

So, no, I do not see much improvement in the MMO genre if you long for older titles.  They don't sell as well, so nobody really makes them.  Those older titles were successful because there were fewer options.  About the only one left that's still active is EVE Online, but it's pretty hard to break into.  It can get somewhat cliqueish.

Originally posted by DancingQueen
Greetings and salutations my good hobbit and about future games that you might want to play: EverQuest Next, The Elder Scrolls Online and Neverwinter.

I am a hobbit...And so is my wife!

(sorry, couldn't resist a chance to combine my two favorites)

Allow me to sharpen my original post. Yes I do play other types of pc games. I am a big fan of fantsy rpg(diablo1&2, dung siege1, eld scr oblivion, skyrim, etc) But these types of games are not my favorite. MMORPG's are! Specifically high fantasy and sci fi based. Yes I have played mmo's like ps2 and 1, lol, sec wrld, etc, but these games imo are just not very fun. 

One poster in this thread talked about how when WoW first came out and through mid to late burning crusade that it took months to reach max level. That is the experiance I am talking about. And it wasnt that you couldnt level fast if u needed to(although without boa gear and guild bonusses it was harder), it was that because the way the game was made and how fantastic everything around u was, you didnt want to level fast. You wanted to experiance everything! That is the type of mmo I am looking for in the future. I have hopes for TESO and possibly Neverwinter. 

And NO I DO NOT LIKE CONSOLES.(not since original nentendo)

I AM A TRUE PC GAMER

any hobbit ladys out there looking for a hot hairy footed fella?

Originally posted by hobbitpimp

I am a vet of mmo's. and by vet I have been playing hardcore to subs and ftp models since ultima. But now it just seems like everything is a complete let down that comes out. This is of course my own opinion. Are there others out there who feel the same way? WoW got boring after BC(although I still log in evry now and then), SWTOR just broke my damn heart, DDO is the same buggy crap it always was as well as LOTRO, EQ is outdated and just a forerunner of WoW, GW1&2 well they are what they are and I hate pvp so they mean little to me even though iI put 300 hrs in GW1, AOC just failed hard, Vanguard broke a lil piece of my heart, and Rift was just way to repetative for me and kinda lame imo.

What does the future hold for us old vets? Was the classic days of DAOC and early WoW and EQ the best we will have ever played....I guess I am asking a question there is no real answer to untill more games come out but I am just bummed. I really have nothing to play any more...

Feel free to pick me apart and spit me out like the trolls always do but if there are any who feel like I do lets have a intelligent conversation about this

 are you playing games or nitpicking them?  It seems too many people are just looking for issues to complain about.

Yes I play them bro. 8 yrs off and on of WoW 2 yrs of gw1, ddo 2 yrs, lotro 1 yr, ps1 1yr, tsw 100hrs, swtor 10 months, etc etc etc

the truth is todays mmo market is not the awe inspired challenge of yesteryears mmo market

Originally posted by hobbitpimp

Yes I play them bro. 8 yrs off and on of WoW 2 yrs of gw1, ddo 2 yrs, lotro 1 yr, ps1 1yr, tsw 100hrs, swtor 10 months, etc etc etc

the truth is todays mmo market is not the awe inspired challenge of yesteryears mmo market

And you complained? Count how many years WOW, Gw1, DDO, LOTRO, PS1, TSW and TOR entertained you.

And don't tell me they weren't fun .. becuase otherwise you need to examine you head to see why you play them at all.

A game that entertained you for 10 month is a win.

Originally posted by hobbitpimp

Yes I play them bro. 8 yrs off and on of WoW 2 yrs of gw1, ddo 2 yrs, lotro 1 yr, ps1 1yr, tsw 100hrs, swtor 10 months, etc etc etc

the truth is todays mmo market is not the awe inspired challenge of yesteryears mmo market

 Are you as open minded about games as when you first started playing them?