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  korent1991

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12/13/12 3:50:10 PM#21
Actually... no, people who play and don't pay a dime for a game which isn't worthy paying for did nothing to made pay 2 win models go so strong (even tho they're dieing now). Those 10% you're speaking of, they made it happen... Because alot of people would pay alot of money for some virtual advantage over others because they have to be better than anyone else, read it as the "snowflake disorder" or whatever you like, but that's the real reason behind p2w.

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  ZombieKen

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12/13/12 3:51:43 PM#22
Originally posted by Enerzeal

heres a novel thought, spend a bit on the market every now and then and developers might not need to implement pay to win options, gear, exp increases and random chance loot bags.

 

I don't think it works like that.

 

One description is that there are three categories of players:

No-Pays - People who aren't paying and never will, regardless of their reason.

Bargain Shoppers - People who buy occasionally based on need or an exceptional discount.

Whales - People who are more than willing to spend, and often do in large amounts.

 

Whales are, for at least some games, the major revenue stream for the business model.  In these games, the dev / publisher goes out of their way to keep the whales happy with all sorts of offerings to improve their gameplay experience.

 

If I decide to spend $25 on a F2P, I don't think that's going to change the position that those publishers go all out to keep the whales happy.

 

BTW: I myself fall into the bargain shopper category.  I'm no whale, but I do love a good deal when I see it.

 

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  nariusseldon

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12/13/12 3:53:14 PM#23
Originally posted by CalmOceans

F2P causes nothing but drama in games. I hope this payment model dies quickly.

Free 2 Play games is a misnomer, most are pay2win, including planetside 2.

You probably are not going to get your wish any time soon. F2P has grown from 39% to 50% revenue market share in the MMO market. By 2013, it will have more market share than p2p.

And whatever you call it .. you pay nothing to play some part of the game.

So what if it is p2w ... it is only fair those who subsidize the free riders should get a bit more.

  dreadlordnaf

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12/13/12 3:54:09 PM#24
Originally posted by CalmOceans

F2P causes nothing but drama in games. I hope this payment model dies quickly.

Free 2 Play games is a misnomer, most are pay2win, including planetside 2.

 

Reality will trump your hope.  Can you name any other business which only has a one-size-fits all pricing model?  Nope, they are all scaled by preference.  You pay more for a better cell phone plan than the ones that costs less, you pay more for a better cable package, you pay more for better seats at the ball game, etc, etc, etc etc.....

A flat one-size-fits-all subscription model is the one that is dieing.

  theAsna

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12/13/12 3:54:11 PM#25
I don't like the f2p rage in recent years.
 
  • I don't want to pay for all those freeloaders.
  • I don't like what gets offered in cash shops. I only tolerate permanently or temporarily unlocking content, unlocking races and unlocking classes. The rest (e.g. cosmetic items, pets, equipment, etc.) should be exclusively available in-game (either by crafting, trading or playing the game).
     
  nariusseldon

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12/13/12 3:54:41 PM#26
Originally posted by Enerzeal

heres a novel thought, spend a bit on the market every now and then and developers might not need to implement pay to win options, gear, exp increases and random chance loot bags.

 

It is novel indeed. Why should i care if devs implement p2w, gear exp increases and random loot bags?

If a game is fun for me, and i don't have to buy any of that stuff ... let the whales have those stuff.

 

  Zyzra

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12/13/12 3:54:48 PM#27
Originally posted by furidiam

 


Originally posted by Zyzra

Originally posted by Gruug I won't pay a sub nor will I pay for items in the item shop if the game says it is FREE to play. Why, because I am not going to pay for those freeloaders to play on my dime. If they want to play a game....PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!  
It's you.

 

You're the freeloader.


 

No he is not a free loader......do not market your game as free if you do not want people to play it for FREE lol

Well by his definition he is.  He said he won't pay sub or for items.  Then he said he won't pay anything so people who play free can play thanks to his money.  So naturally since he pays nothing, he's playing on some other paying customers dime = he's a freeloader.

  korent1991

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12/13/12 3:57:27 PM#28
Originally posted by Talgen
Originally posted by Fluxii

It's generation DUH's new mentality.

We want it NOW!

We want it NOW and EASY!

We want it NOW and EASY and FREE!

It's an entitlement progression that just keeps getting worse.  Occupy Wallstreet anyone?

This.

I don't see a problem with it...

as I don't see people complaining about broadband internet speed and it's cheaper than it was for 56k modem access.. I aswell don't see anyone complaining about better building materials or engineering methods which provide better, safer and more reliable product at better prices each new day...

If people get something better for the same price they don't want to pay the same amount of money for something that has lesser value to them, some won't even pay anything if they consider it's not worth the money... Every branch of human activity has this side effect and it's something that people who want to sell something need to cope with, if they can't... well, then they don't even deserve the money in first place.

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  bamdorf

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12/13/12 3:58:00 PM#29
Originally posted by Fluxii

It's generation DUH's new mentality.

We want it NOW!

We want it NOW and EASY!

We want it NOW and EASY and FREE!

It's an entitlement progression that just keeps getting worse.  Occupy Wallstreet anyone?

Entitlement literally means you deserve.   If I work 40 hrs a week and get a paycheck, that paycheck is something I am entitled to.   If I pay into Soc Sec for 45 years, it isn't a freebie, I am entitled to it.

What you are describing is a NONentitlement progression.

Otherwise, I don't disagree.

 

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  Yamota

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12/13/12 3:58:46 PM#30

How can you be called a freeloader when you are playing a game that is called FREE TO PLAY?!

For **** sake they are using it to get more people to play and then those same people will be called freeloaders? This thread does not make sense on so many levels but I will stop here before my head explodes.

  Zyzra

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12/13/12 4:00:18 PM#31
Originally posted by Yamota

How can you be called a freeloader when you are playing a game that is called FREE TO PLAY?!

For **** sake they are using it to get more people to play and then those same people will be called freeloaders? This thread does not make sense on so many levels but I will stop here before my head explodes.

I wouldn't call random people freeloaders.  I was just pointing out that that one person called himself one, probably without realizing it.

  st4t1ck

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12/13/12 4:02:20 PM#32
Originally posted by Zyzra
Originally posted by Gruug

I won't pay a sub nor will I pay for items in the item shop if the game says it is FREE to play. Why, because I am not going to pay for those freeloaders to play on my dime. If they want to play a game....PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!

 

It's you.

You're the freeloader.

+1 was just going to say that, you have now become the free loader, 

i dont see why what other people do with there money is of any concern. play the game as long as you have fun, if you want to buy some cash shop things do it, if not dont, but have fun doing it the way you like

  Zyzra

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12/13/12 4:04:29 PM#33
Originally posted by st4t1ck
Originally posted by Zyzra
Originally posted by Gruug

I won't pay a sub nor will I pay for items in the item shop if the game says it is FREE to play. Why, because I am not going to pay for those freeloaders to play on my dime. If they want to play a game....PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!

 

It's you.

You're the freeloader.

+1 was just going to say that, you have now become the free loader, 

i dont see why what other people do with there money is of any concern. play the game as long as you have fun, if you want to buy some cash shop things do it, if not dont, but have fun doing it the way you like

Exactly.  If you want something in the cash shop, buy it.  If not, don't.

But basing whether you purchase something on a perception of people who aren't buying things as being freeloaders is really crazy.  It's like saying "I don't want to pay anything to help these free players be able to play for free."  Without realizing that if everyone did the same thing you are saying the game would shut down and then nobody could play.

  ElirionLoth

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12/13/12 4:04:54 PM#34
I agree completely with the OP.  A large percentage of the FTP population is able to enjoy the game due to the efforts (payments) of a smaller percentage of the population.  I say this because the game would die if no one bought anything from the cash shop.  It kind of sounds like many countries today.  An entitled crowd living off the sweat and taxes of others.  I prefer subscription models especially in PvP games.  It's easier to have a level playing field and bots and hackers are easier for the company to deal with. 
  nariusseldon

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12/13/12 4:05:39 PM#35
Originally posted by Talgen
Originally posted by Fluxii

It's generation DUH's new mentality.

We want it NOW!

We want it NOW and EASY!

We want it NOW and EASY and FREE!

It's an entitlement progression that just keeps getting worse.  Occupy Wallstreet anyone?

This.

And?

Of course i want it NOW. If you want to play a game, you want to wait 2 hours before you can do it?

  dreadlordnaf

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12/13/12 4:06:20 PM#36
Originally posted by Yamota

How can you be called a freeloader when you are playing a game that is called FREE TO PLAY?!

For **** sake they are using it to get more people to play and then those same people will be called freeloaders? This thread does not make sense on so many levels but I will stop here before my head explodes.

 

Are you really that naive?  Why would any game company in the world give a rats ass how many players play their game if none of them are paying?  You act like if they call their game F2p then they have to adhere to that 100%, as if you are entitled to have a bunch of hard working devs spend hours creating a game for you to enjoy for free. 

  nariusseldon

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12/13/12 4:07:38 PM#37
Originally posted by Zyzra
Originally posted by Yamota

How can you be called a freeloader when you are playing a game that is called FREE TO PLAY?!

For **** sake they are using it to get more people to play and then those same people will be called freeloaders? This thread does not make sense on so many levels but I will stop here before my head explodes.

I wouldn't call random people freeloaders.  I was just pointing out that that one person called himself one, probably without realizing it.

What is the big deal. Freeloaders .. or free rider is just a term.

When i play PS2 .. i pay NOTHING. i am sure some do pay. And the game depends on these other people to make a profit. So i am free loading in PS2. So?

Everyone who is not paying is free riding on the paying ones ... pretty clear to me. That is the definition, right?

  dancingstar

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12/13/12 4:13:19 PM#38
Originally posted by bamdorf
Originally posted by Fluxii

It's generation DUH's new mentality.

We want it NOW!

We want it NOW and EASY!

We want it NOW and EASY and FREE!

It's an entitlement progression that just keeps getting worse.  Occupy Wallstreet anyone?

Entitlement literally means you deserve.   If I work 40 hrs a week and get a paycheck, that paycheck is something I am entitled to.   If I pay into Soc Sec for 45 years, it isn't a freebie, I am entitled to it.

What you are describing is a NONentitlement progression.

Otherwise, I don't disagree.

Off-topic, that's a pet peeve of mine. The word has had its meaning twisted in general useage in recent years from "a legal or moral right, or just claim," to "the false or delusional belief that one has such a right."

And I remember people talking disapprovingly about "the 'me' generation" back in the 1980s. That is, nearly a generation ago.

  ZombieKen

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12/13/12 4:15:18 PM#39

People who play free are built into the business model.

 

They make the game world more lively by increasing population.  (an empty game is a dead game)

They often bring in other players, which reduces advertising costs and increases revenue because people they bring in might pay.

They provide fresh meat for PVP.  (in a game with all whales in top-shelf gear, the whales wouldn't have an advantage)

They might end up spending money.

 

Dev / publishers don't give out free access because they want to lose money on them.  They give out free access because they want to use the player as a way to make money.

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  Zyzra

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12/13/12 4:15:57 PM#40
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Zyzra
Originally posted by Yamota

How can you be called a freeloader when you are playing a game that is called FREE TO PLAY?!

For **** sake they are using it to get more people to play and then those same people will be called freeloaders? This thread does not make sense on so many levels but I will stop here before my head explodes.

I wouldn't call random people freeloaders.  I was just pointing out that that one person called himself one, probably without realizing it.

What is the big deal. Freeloaders .. or free rider is just a term.

When i play PS2 .. i pay NOTHING. i am sure some do pay. And the game depends on these other people to make a profit. So i am free loading in PS2. So?

Everyone who is not paying is free riding on the paying ones ... pretty clear to me. That is the definition, right?

Yeah it is just a term.  Kinda like how fool, idiot, lowlife, bum, and slut are just terms.  I wouldn't call random people those either.

I find the terms "Free Player" or "Non-Paying Member" work better than "freeloader", generally.

Nothing wrong with playing a game for free when it encourages it.  The guy who did have a problem with it and called those freeloaders and then admitted to being the same way was what brought it up after all.

I don't mind if he plays forever without paying anything.  He seems to have a problem with people like himself though.

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