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  Enerzeal

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Joined: 6/27/10
Posts: 332

There is no good or evil, only power - and those too weak to seek it.

 
OP  12/13/12 2:09:04 PM#1

I am rather shocked at how the market has developed in this day and age. Now developers create free to play games, they put in place gimics to get you to spend your money. Items you buy for a chance to get a nice item, increased exp rates, equipment that beats out what can be found in game, they lock away content, they seal up the game until you pay money.

People quote often that atleast 90% of people who play free to play games avoid spending any cash on them. This is to you 90% who complain about pay to win, who moan about how long it takes to achieve what someone purchasing from the shop can acheve.

You made this happen.

In a subscription game, 100% of the people pay $15 / £9 a month. Everything is open, nothing is pay to win.

In a play for free game, a better rate of income is achieved inside the 10% of people who play, than that of a subscription game. To compare, this is like 9 people playing WoW for free, and the tenth guy paying 10 times as much, plus some on the top because as we know, play for free is more profitable.

So when that tenth guy come along with his great gear, his fast leveling, and his lovely cosmetic items, do not complain that he paid to win, he paid to win because the developers offered those items, they offered those items - because they need to properly monetize their game.

I play Planetside 2, in the past month I have spent about £40 on it. Roughly on par with a purchased game box and a subscription. i won't be needing to spend this much in the future, I have what I need now and I am pleased with it. People complain that certification gains are to slow, they they can't farm up enough to buy guns with cert points. Now cert gain is fine if you buy the guns off the market with station cash and use your cert points to upgrade the guns and your selected classes.

You see what so many free to play people forget is that though the game might be free to log in, the developers never intended you to free ride your way through the game, they didn't intend for you to have your cake and eat it, to let the crazy 10% support your free loading.

heres a novel thought, spend a bit on the market every now and then and developers might not need to implement pay to win options, gear, exp increases and random chance loot bags.

 

  SirFubar

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Joined: 7/21/11
Posts: 402

12/13/12 2:13:28 PM#2
Originally posted by Enerzeal

I am rather shocked at how the market has developed in this day and age. Now developers create free to play games, they put in place gimics to get you to spend your money. Items you buy for a chance to get a nice item, increased exp rates, equipment that beats out what can be found in game, they lock away content, they seal up the game until you pay money.

Sorry but no, most F2P games aren't like this anymore. We're not at the beginning of the F2P transition where most F2P games were still P2W with locked content and where you absolutely needed to pay money in those games. We are wayyyy ahead of that.

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6492

"Only cunts name their swords"

12/13/12 2:16:20 PM#3

That is some backward logic! What has created all these Pay 2 Win games is because devs have realised that some people will pay, and some pay alot, to get an advantage over others.

What you are saying makes no sense. Is it irony?

  Fluxii

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Joined: 9/14/10
Posts: 198

12/13/12 2:23:05 PM#4

It's generation DUH's new mentality.

We want it NOW!

We want it NOW and EASY!

We want it NOW and EASY and FREE!

It's an entitlement progression that just keeps getting worse.  Occupy Wallstreet anyone?

  dreadlordnaf

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Joined: 12/11/12
Posts: 38

12/13/12 2:23:26 PM#5
Originally posted by Yamota

That is some backward logic! What has created all these Pay 2 Win games is because devs have realised that some people will pay, and some pay alot, to get an advantage over others.

What you are saying makes no sense. Is it irony?

Or we can reverse that.  They have realized many people either can't pay because they can't afford it, or are too damn cheap to pay.  So if a monthly subscription is the only option many people will never even try it.  So they need to focus on the few who actually will pay.

I have played 4 different f2p games at a time before, paying only here and there for some item unlock or paying the monthly fee only when I knew I would play a lof that month.  I would definitely not play 4 monthly subscription games at a time though like WoW.  So f2p gives you more flexibility also.  

  User Deleted
12/13/12 2:23:52 PM#6

I for one completely agree with you. The games I play have  F2P option but i chose to pay monthly sub. For seeral reasons, 1 it helps further development and longjevity if the game. 2 I get my DLC powers and whatever cosmeticly appealing items I was wanting, 

Lets face it, if they make no money then the lifespan of the game is limmited at best. F2P is killing the industry.

The next time you cry because you can't get the gear or game mode or whatever you want because you didnt pay a sub or make a micro-transaction, Just be thankful that they allow you to mooch of the generosity of the game company. I for one wish that F2P never came to be. I pay my subs and am happy to do so!  

 

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  moosecatlol

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Joined: 8/25/10
Posts: 1169

12/13/12 2:25:28 PM#7

Lets use vindictus as a perspective as it's the game I currently know the rates of USD->CScurrency, USD-> Gold, and GOLD->CScurrency.

Currently the rates are:

13.00/14.00USD = 100m gold

60m Gold = 10000nx

10.00USD = 10000nx

 

By those standards would you not agree that the Gold Sellers are offering better rates than Both Nexon and Players selling NX, by at least 14%. Something to note about Vindictus, you are able to purchase everything with gold.

 

  furidiam

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Joined: 7/07/07
Posts: 131

What happened to fun and innovative mmo's?

12/13/12 2:28:41 PM#8

I play FTP games and do not pay a dime. I also play sub games with multiple accounts. I play the sub games 95% of the time.

It is the devs fault for not making there game good enough for me to pay a sub to it.

If a dev wants to milk me dry by putting in micro transactions, then I will pay nothing and get something free and give my money to the company that has a quality product.

  Disdena

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Joined: 3/05/10
Posts: 1098

12/13/12 2:29:30 PM#9

This is indeed backwards logic.

I play F2P games occasionally. I never pay anything for them (with one exception) but I also don't complain about them. If playing the game for free is not fun, I stop playing.

If someone plays an F2P game for free and complains that it is Pay To Win, I would encourage them to do what I do: uninstall. Don't gripe about it, don't insist on the forums that they change it, don't run to the window and bellow the developers' flaws to the world. Just leave, without a grudge.

You're suggesting that someone in that situation should not only continue to play the game, but should begin paying for it, with the intention of changing the entire paradigm of how game companies charge for their services. Uh uh, nope. There are too many games out there to bother with this tactic. If the game you're playing doesn't have the type of fiscal model that you like, go find one that does. There will ALWAYS be Play To Win games, because there will ALWAYS be players who want to pay for power. Why think that you can undo that? Why even try?

  Quizzical

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Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 13113

12/13/12 2:30:13 PM#10

The problem isn't when people who pay $15/month have big advantages over people who pay $0/month.  A free trial is called a "trial" for a reason.  Or at least it used to be, before marketing gurus figured out that calling a free trial "free to play" brought in more customers.

The problem is when people who actually pay quite a bit still have huge disadvantages as compared to people who pay even more.  When paying $50/month isn't enough to make you competitive, that's pay to win in the worst sense of it.

  Gruug

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Joined: 4/03/08
Posts: 1134

The more you know, the more you know you don't know.

12/13/12 2:30:24 PM#11

I won't pay a sub nor will I pay for items in the item shop if the game says it is FREE to play. Why, because I am not going to pay for those freeloaders to play on my dime. If they want to play a game....PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!

 

Let's party like it is 1863!

  User Deleted
12/13/12 2:30:50 PM#12

It's true that there are two sides to this argument. I respect the views of the other. But I also have my view,

For those not welthy enough to pay a sub, I am sorry but please dont complain when they guys that pay a sub get something you do not. You are playing for FREE! and without the income the game will NOT thrive. Why would a company sink money into development if the have no gain!?!

  User Deleted
12/13/12 2:33:43 PM#13
Originally posted by Gruug

I won't pay a sub nor will I pay for items in the item shop if the game says it is FREE to play. Why, because I am not going to pay for those freeloaders to play on my dime. If they want to play a game....PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!

 

I can repsect that lol

But this only proves the point! I really dont want a F2P option on the games I play. For this reason.  I'm sure Gruug is a quality player. But we will never see because he is gonna have crappy gear lol

  Yizle

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Joined: 4/24/10
Posts: 523

12/13/12 2:39:59 PM#14
Originally posted by Yamota

That is some backward logic! What has created all these Pay 2 Win games is because devs have realised that some people will pay, and some pay alot, to get an advantage over others.

What you are saying makes no sense. Is it irony?

This is about right.

Any decent F2P does not add P2W. I do not mind games that add pay to level/gear up faster as long as it is also available in game.

And before the OP in his delerium starts to call us all free loaders. I have 2 active sub games.

  Squarll

Novice Member

Joined: 8/13/10
Posts: 47

12/13/12 2:42:50 PM#15
Seriously i hate f2p, give me a good subscription game anyday but it will have to be "good" most new mmo's are about geting cash out the player as fast as they can with any means possible... so just give me a subscription game with no micro transactions....

  CalmOceans

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Joined: 5/06/11
Posts: 1803

12/13/12 2:44:27 PM#16

F2P causes nothing but drama in games. I hope this payment model dies quickly.

Free 2 Play games is a misnomer, most are pay2win, including planetside 2.

  Zyzra

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Joined: 6/18/07
Posts: 363

12/13/12 2:45:10 PM#17
Originally posted by Gruug

I won't pay a sub nor will I pay for items in the item shop if the game says it is FREE to play. Why, because I am not going to pay for those freeloaders to play on my dime. If they want to play a game....PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!

 

It's you.

You're the freeloader.

  Talgen

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Joined: 9/04/02
Posts: 408

This is just my opinion and should be viewed as just that, an opinion

12/13/12 2:47:29 PM#18
Originally posted by Fluxii

It's generation DUH's new mentality.

We want it NOW!

We want it NOW and EASY!

We want it NOW and EASY and FREE!

It's an entitlement progression that just keeps getting worse.  Occupy Wallstreet anyone?

This.

  dreadlordnaf

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/11/12
Posts: 38

12/13/12 2:49:39 PM#19
Originally posted by kaungst
Originally posted by Gruug

I won't pay a sub nor will I pay for items in the item shop if the game says it is FREE to play. Why, because I am not going to pay for those freeloaders to play on my dime. If they want to play a game....PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!

 

I can repsect that lol

But this only proves the point! I really dont want a F2P option on the games I play. For this reason.  I'm sure Gruug is a quality player. But we will never see because he is gonna have crappy gear lol

Ah but you forget the upside.  Many f2p players will do literally anything to avoid paying real money.  This is great in games with crafting that require lots of mining/resource gathering for high level gear.  Seriously I can buy some lame cash-shop item that costs maybe $5 dollars of real money and some free player who "refuses to pay for f2p games on principle" will literally trade me the equivlant of 20 hours of farmed materials for that.   So basically he won't pay for games he likes, but he is cool working for 25 cents an hour mindlessly farming... Haha, fine with me, that means I don't have to.

  furidiam

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Joined: 7/07/07
Posts: 131

What happened to fun and innovative mmo's?

12/13/12 2:49:45 PM#20


Originally posted by Zyzra

Originally posted by Gruug I won't pay a sub nor will I pay for items in the item shop if the game says it is FREE to play. Why, because I am not going to pay for those freeloaders to play on my dime. If they want to play a game....PAY FOR IT YOURSELF!  
It's you.

You're the freeloader.


No he is not a free loader......do not market your game as free if you do not want people to play it for FREE lol

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