Lifetime sub here too, and still no regrets.  Current model I regard as far preferable to the Conan / LOTRO type setup I was expecting we could well end up with.

Originally posted by bcbully
before lifers didn't get anything. Now that b2p is here they get stuff.

I would'nt say they didn't get anything before. But lifers always have and always will be a risk that I will never understand why to get into it early in a games life.

Honestly, I have lifetime sub with STO. Tried to be part of the Beta TSW but the client just wouldn't work for me.

My opinion on the lifer sub for TSW (based on my experience with STO's) is its not that great but its also not that bad either. I rarely play STO but I find my allowance adds up while I'm playing other games. Expirations on how long the allowance will be valid for are either inaccurate or violating the Terms of the Lifetime Sub agreement (if you have a lifetime sub - your account CAN'T expire or cease for as long as the game is live - whether you play it or not and that would include any balances or credits associated with it). The allowance adds up - not as fast as it does for someone actually paying for the credit/virtual currency. It will allow you to buy optional content of your choosing when you accrue enough.

The things I find making it less than STO's is the lack of Exchange for in-game currency (F2P aka play credit currency) to and from Content Store currency. The initial benefits for having a lifetime subscription also seem bare, extremely underwhelming and effectively insulting to those would put the money out for it (this coming from someone who doesn't have a lifetime sub or has played the game). As well as part of the allowance being alloted to a purchase that may or not be wanted (if the allowance was 15$ worth then items would be a bonus but right now they seem to be mandatory purchases - I know I never buy XP boosters - the game is enjoyable to play regardless of progression or it isn't - boosters won't change that for me and I haven't little interest in playing a game that isn't enjoyable to JUST PLAY IT, some people adore and love Progression (or have friends they want to 'keep up' with) and those items are for them.

If I am wrong on any FACTS please do correct me as I haven't played the game or own it. My info is strictly hearsay from 3rd parties and FAQ's/News/Beta Info.

As a lifetime subscriber you should be happy. You actually are getting MORE per month than you were. Free points, Free item every month, Free xp boost, Use your Free points to buy the DLC, 20% off any other purchases in store.

What the F**k do you have to be upset over?!? As far as i can tell you were not getting any of that prior to this. If nothing else this will add population to the game, which will be nice.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by bcbully
before lifers didn't get anything. Now that b2p is here they get stuff.

I would'nt say they didn't get anything before. But lifers always have and always will be a risk that I will never understand why to get into it early in a games life.

Well....

For me: I enjoy playing MMO's. My problem is that I also enjoy many other activities. It's pretty normal for me to blow $200 on weekend activities, so the cost of the lifetime isnt really the issue. I've played games over year's but maybe averaged 4  play sessions over a month, not because I dont enjoy the games, but because I just didnt/dont have the time. I like paying a onetime fee and being able to play anytime I want and forget about it. 

Originally posted by anthonyc999
explain to me how this is a bad thing for life timers they get 

• Every month Grandmaster accounts will receive $10 worth of Bonus Points. These points are valid for 6 months and can be used towards any Item Store purchase.
• Every month Grandmaster accounts will receive the Item-of-the-month: a special gift to all Membership accounts to the game.
• As a Grandmaster you receive a permanent item: The Time Accelerator. This item is available to all your characters and increases your experience gain by 100% for one hour and has a 16 hour cool-down!

Further, what used to be a discount of 10% discount to only social items in the Item Store has now been extended to be a discount on everything in the store. As members are getting a 10% discount to everything in the store, Grandmasters now receive a 20% discount! 

which technically is more then what we would have gotten if the game didnt go B2P?

If you have 100% completion of the skill wheel those xp items are useless.

Item of the Month ; A store item I wouldn't have bought anyways...no use.

$10 worth of points or 1200 points. This last point is a half-truth. The monthly Issues that were previously free now cost $5 to $10 and you will havew to use those free points to buy them.

One of 2 things will happen each month.

Some months you will get no free points because the monthly Issue cost 1200 points or $10.

Some months you will be left with up to 5$ or 600 points depending on how much the monthly Issue costs.

Originally posted by jdnewell

As a lifetime subscriber you should be happy. You actually are getting MORE per month than you were. Free points, Free item every month, Free xp boost, Use your Free points to buy the DLC, 20% off any other purchases in store.

What the F**k do you have to be upset over?!? As far as i can tell you were not getting any of that prior to this. If nothing else this will add population to the game, which will be nice.

Seriously.  I don't understand why some lifetimers are flipping the F out.  We get the same thing essentially except in funcom points.  Now players get a chance to play the game and experience an extremely large portion of the game.  THATS awesome. I can't wait for an influx of new players to share this game with.

Originally posted by TalulaRose

 $10 worth of points or 1200 points. This last point is a half-truth. The monthly Issues that were previously free now cost $5 to $10 and you will havew to use those free points to buy them.

They were in fact not free. You had to pay for the subscription to access them.

Now you get them even cheaper - well at least the first one which costs $5.

Originally posted by TalulaRose

 

 

One of 2 things will happen each month.

Some months you will get no free points because the monthly Issue cost 1200 points or $10.

Some months you will be left with up to 5$ or 600 points depending on how much the monthly Issue costs.

No, one thing will happen each month.  You will be spending less than 1200 points for DLC.  That's it.  According to the Lead Developer, the DLC will be less than the point rewards.  They wanted the lifers and members to get a little extra in addition.  Think of it like rollover minutes I guess if that helps.

Regardless, not enough people are playing the game.  They need more revenue and more people to play the game because that's its biggest issue right now.  They went B2P for that reason.  The only downside this change brings lifetimers and members is if they didn't want to play with more people in a MMO.  They are actually getting more for their investment than they were before this change.  In addition many other people that don't like a sub, but understand a business needs to make money can jump in now if the game interests them.  There's a crap ton of content available for free and in the future Funcom is hoping those people either become a member or buy whatever DLC they want to experience.

Win win across the board.  There's no downside.

Want to know what would be a downside?  Doing nothing and the servers shut down.  Tell me how much value a lifetime would have then?  Funcom has my full support on this.  I just wish they would of done this model from the beginning.

Originally posted by SuperXero89
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Hmm...

sounds kinda like marriage

Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L

Originally posted by jdnewell

As a lifetime subscriber you should be happy. You actually are getting MORE per month than you were. Free points, Free item every month, Free xp boost, Use your Free points to buy the DLC, 20% off any other purchases in store.

What the F**k do you have to be upset over?!? As far as i can tell you were not getting any of that prior to this. If nothing else this will add population to the game, which will be nice.

Seriously.  I don't understand why some lifetimers are flipping the F out.  We get the same thing essentially except in funcom points.  Now players get a chance to play the game and experience an extremely large portion of the game.  THATS awesome. I can't wait for an influx of new players to share this game with.

/agree +1

Originally posted by SuperXero89
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If you choose to buy a lifetime, you accept the risks.  You understand that it's a video game.  You understand it's not forever.  You understand that sh*t happens.  Many bought lifetime because their investment was matched dollar for dollar with Funcom Points.  Many bought lifetime because they also wanted to support the company and the game.

Originally posted by SuperXero89
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Tough love but true

The problem is now the services subscribers get with the B2P model are worthless. $15 per month for $10 worth in limited time points, whereas a B2P player can buy DLC each month for cheaper ($5) and have exactly the same access to the game. $15 (sub per month) > $10 (in virtual Funcom monies) > $5 per month for DLC you need to keep up with other players.

I feel that the subscription option is only there so that they don't have to refund people with existing subs and of course lifetimers. Lifetimers now have to manage their points to keep current with content or their points will expire. The sub has no value and is a ripoff. The new B2P and sub model are a complete change in the terms of service with no warning nor community discussion besides a "prank" youtube video. A sub gave players both access to new content and to the game itself. Now that everyone has access to the game, the sub has lost part of its value and so people with existing sub time should demand a refund.

I would really like to know what a lawyer's legal opinion of this change would be.  I think existing subscribers should seek legal recourse - they are not getting what they paid for.

Well my LoTRO lifetime account saved me alot of money during all those years. It also lets you support game that you love.

Imho people who tell how its a scum, how we are morons and oher blah blah, just cant afford GM pack and try to make people who can feel bad. Try harder :D