In an age where (Arguably) big names like Machinima calls things like Far Cry 3 (and I quote) "Skyrim with guns", I'm just ashemed to live on this planet. Wish we could go back to the N64 era and have proper games once more.

Please listen game devoloppers, Slapping a big name on a game does NOT make it a good game. Please invent something new or atleast make a proper game for once.

As a MMO beta tester and huge fan of TES series I'm inclined to play this game, but I have very very shitty hopes.

Bill you are trying way too hard with this game..............give us video footage and we will make our mind

Too much talk and not enough evidence.

There is no point in over hyping this game, we all know that this game will sell 2+ Million copies already.

The point is, is it going to retain those players after the first month?

No amount of hype can keep players playing if their first month was disappointing.

ESO has to be more Skyrim and less WOW to succeed, that's as simple as that.

At the moment it looks like a mix between SWTOR and GW2 from the information released so far (even if some of them are twisted to make some features look better then they are)

There is already a huge design flaw in my view, the real game should be between level 1 and lvl 49 (the Journey as in every TES game)................it should not start at 50 like every other MMO

Zenimax are losing their chance to revolutionize the MMO industry, the same way Bethesda did with TES for the RPGs with their unconventional approach that makes TES so different from any other RPG on the market.

Settling down for another WOW with a twist, just won't cut it.

I'm still waiting for them to announce at least one unique or inovative system they are going to use for this game.   One thing that hasn't been done before?  

And how can the dev's fail to realize that what Elder Scrolls fans actually want isn't an mmorpg...  What we want is just the world and mythos of Tamriel to run around in, and the freedom to do whatever the hell we want when we get there... together with a thousand or so players at the same time. 

Do we really care if it's perfectly balanced?  No.  Why?   Because in the game we want, we can learn any skills, or spells in the game eventually.  Balance achived through equal choice, and options for progression.  If there are enough abilitys to learn / choose from, the charcters will still be built diversely by the playerbase. 

We are witnesses to the end of an age.  RIP Elder Scrolls.   

Some unique features. Sure. But I honestly think this is going to be another example of a game that fails due to lack of player-driven content.

You can have the best gameplay in the world. But when there isn't anything to do in the end other than PvP the same instanced zones over and over or Raid the same 5 instances over and over...    it's going to flop.

I'm sorry Bill, but you're just flat out wrong.  GW2 has already proven that the whole "lateral" progression model only works for a fairly small subset of the MMO playerbase.  The one problem you came up with is a pretty major problem.  Most rogue type players for example wouldnt be caught dead wielding a mace in one hand and a sword in the other.  So to suggest that its a meaninful method of progression for them is reaching, badly.  Also, to be fair, no one style or mix of weapons can be overly strong vs another and this means that basically you have no real reason to get these other skills other than A. You want to, or B. You don't like the playstyle of your current weapons.

Honestly we just need to move back to the days of EQ, where leveling times were long enough that the idea of "rushing to endgame" was never even thought of.  It meant all the content you developed along the way actually god used and played because there was an actual reason to.  That sword you got in the level 20 dungeon was worth it because you're not gonna just replace it in 2 hours when you've outleveled it.  Just as an example.

That will work for the true mmorpg players, the reality is we're in an industry thats trying to morph MMORPG's into something that non MMO players (which, IMO is about 75% of the current playerbase) will accept.  These people are not MMO players, they are console gamers, or single player gamers, or what i believe we've started calling content locusts.  They literally only care about chewing through content, replaybility, social aspects to games, world, art, etc, are meaningless, they want story lines and content, cool looking stuff to kill, etc.

MMORPG's simply can't cater to this player/playstyle and be succesful, its non sustainable.

traditional theme park endgame of dungeons, raids, and PVP Will defitnyl kill this game just as fast as any other themepark endgame game in the past years.  So while Im not a 100% leet pvp'er I would hope that they are so smart as to make a dynamic dungeon system whitin the central pvp zone were people can go in at random and do personal dungeon at their current level.

would make sure theres like 666 dungeon entrances else we will have 2000 "grievers" camping the entrances. but cant imagen more fun then sneaking true the lands finding dungeons and avoiding enemy's or fight some off on the ocasional simulair dungeon exit / finding timing ..

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Originally posted by ShakyMo
EladiIf they have dungeons in cyrodil, I'm guessing they are open ones not instances.

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Cyrodil is instanced lol, Instances inside instances? inception much?

I'm looking forward to it.. ESO Sounds alright to me  8)

Originally posted by Hrimnir

 

Honestly we just need to move back to the days of EQ, where leveling times were long enough that the idea of "rushing to endgame" was never even thought of.  It meant all the content you developed along the way actually god used and played because there was an actual reason to.  That sword you got in the level 20 dungeon was worth it because you're not gonna just replace it in 2 hours when you've outleveled it.  Just as an example.

That will work for the true mmorpg players, the reality is we're in an industry thats trying to morph MMORPG's into something that non MMO players (which, IMO is about 75% of the current playerbase) will accept.  These people are not MMO players, they are console gamers, or single player gamers, or what i believe we've started calling content locusts.  They literally only care about chewing through content, replaybility, social aspects to games, world, art, etc, are meaningless, they want story lines and content, cool looking stuff to kill, etc.

MMORPG's simply can't cater to this player/playstyle and be succesful, its non sustainable.

You hit it on the head.  These companies need to bring back the MMO in MMOs.  Themed-park level progression just doesn't work.  Players blow through all of the content in 1-3 months and are done.  Due to the fact that the entirety of games now days is just about 100% theme-parked, game developers just can't keep up with the players anymore.

I hate to say it, but if the industry is going to survive they need to bit back meaning to these games.  In the old days (prior to WoW), when you earned a level, you really felt like you earned a level. 

Yes, there was a grind, but it had meaning and the chance of rewarding the grinders with semi-rare items if one was patient. 

Yes, there were death penalties, but it made a community responcible to itself and helped to forge friendships that are still stong today with alot of players.

Yes, you had to "find" a quest (or at least look it up) out in the middle of nowhere rather than just going to a camp that contained all the quests for a zone right there for your convienance.

Yes, there was very little content to solo, but it was a freakin MMO, not a game that you just happened to play solo with 1000s of other people simutaniously on the same server at the same time.

And yes, these games were punishing (to a fault), but players took it as a challenge and kept coming back for more. 

Disagree?  That's fine.  This is just my opinion after leading Guilds and gaming for over the last decade.  Many players that have been gaming longer than me may well disagree also.  But before you disagree, think about this.....  Almost every game that has launched since WoW is either barren of players after a couple years (if that), or dead and gone :(

Wish i had a few hundred million to design a game.

You know, one game that does have my attention not neccessarily for the actual game, but for the concept is Neverwinter Nights Online.  Granted i'm an ex-pencil/paper player, but i think that they've hit on some thing and that's launching with user created content.

The foundry is a brilliant idea imo.  It allows players to create content at game launch, freeing up the developement team to concentrate on fixing bugs and working on the future expansions.  I literally think that the concept, as they are implimenting it could result in a paradiem shift in the gaming industry within the next couple years.

NWO may, or may not become a hit, but a future game certain could using the same philosophy.

Originally posted by ste2000

Bill you are trying way too hard with this game..............give us video footage and we will make our mind

Too much talk and not enough evidence.

There is no point in over hyping this game, we all know that this game will sell 2+ Million copies already.

The point is, is it going to retain those players after the first month?

No amount of hype can keep players playing if their first month was disappointing.

 

ESO has to be more Skyrim and less WOW to succeed, that's as simple as that.

At the moment it looks like a mix between SWTOR and GW2 from the information released so far (even if some of them are twisted to make some features look better then they are)

There is already a huge design flaw in my view, the real game should be between level 1 and lvl 49 (the Journey as in every TES game)................it should not start at 50 like every other MMO

Zenimax are losing their chance to revolutionize the MMO industry, the same way Bethesda did with TES for the RPGs with their unconventional approach that makes TES so different from any other RPG on the market.

Settling down for another WOW with a twist, just won't cut it.

I'd much rather it be more like Daggerfall than Skyrim.