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  zymurgeist

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12/10/12 2:59:15 PM#41
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
I hate to tell you this but for nine years they've been covering a lot more than MMOs. They focus on MMOs but the cover other gaming too.

I am not talking about site coverage. Not at all. I am talking about people thinking Diablo 3 and COD are MMO's.

 So exactly how does this site control how people think again?

I am sorry, but where did I even once state that this site controls the way people think? Or are you just going to try to make up a fake argument?

 Just trying to see where you're going with this. Oh and if you can find me one person who ever thought Warcraft 2 was a MMO I'd be gobsmacked. Almost no one thinks any of  those games are MMOs.

What is so different from Warcraft 2 and Diablo? If Diablo can be called an MMO, explain to me how Warcraft 2 cant be.

 I can call a cat a dog. It doesn't make it a dog. I really don't see more than a few seriously calling a Diablo 3 a MMO. It's a single player and co-op online game. For the few that mistakenly do call it a MMO what should we do call the internet thought police?

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  madazz

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OP  12/10/12 2:59:52 PM#42
Originally posted by rawfox
Originally posted by madazz

And now Diablo 3, Call of Duty, Quake, League of Legends, Team Fortress, Warcraft 2, Starcraft, Battlefield, Civilization and any multiplayer game or game with a mutliplayer component is called an MMO just because other people are playing it in their own little instances at the same time. You know, forget that we have descriptors for these games to seperate them into their own genres... forget what the word massive and multiplayer mean when combined... forget it... 

I guess I am going to go just play my fav MMO. Its a board game that I play with only one other person. It's called Chess. 

If you can't understand that MMO means a massive amount of multiplayers online in one game world/instance, and you instead believe that MMO means a massive amount of separate games in duplicate copies of the world...  well.... I don't even know what to say. 

 

It was the Java coders !

They started with this stupid crap, to place a bracket direct behind the function instead of the next line to keep it "containered".

They are guilty !

LOL you win :)

  evilhuman

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12/10/12 3:00:47 PM#43
I'm jelous
  VengeSunsoar

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12/10/12 3:00:48 PM#44
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Maybe they do understand but dont' agree.

Thing is, you can disagree with fact that the earth is round in shape, but all that does is make you wrong. The definition of MMO doesn't leave room to call a 4 player game an MMO.

 One is factually based the other isn't.

No one is calling a 4 player game an MMO.  They are calling games that let us interact with hundreds of people and actively group with 5-25 an MMO.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Icewhite

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12/10/12 3:01:47 PM#45
Originally posted by zymurgeist
what should we do call the internet thought police?

Again?  I mean, they were just here.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  User Deleted
12/10/12 3:02:12 PM#46
The only real strength of this site has been it's forum.  The original content it produces is pretty bad.  I can't count how many times I've read a column here, only to be dismayed at how short in length, or light in content, it was.  They seem more like summaries rather than actual articles, which is unfortunately.  I'm sure they all mean well, but it's a side effect of hiring what appears to be gamers who happen to write, rather than writers who happen to game.
  madazz

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Posts: 1519

 
OP  12/10/12 3:05:48 PM#47
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
I hate to tell you this but for nine years they've been covering a lot more than MMOs. They focus on MMOs but the cover other gaming too.

I am not talking about site coverage. Not at all. I am talking about people thinking Diablo 3 and COD are MMO's.

 So exactly how does this site control how people think again?

I am sorry, but where did I even once state that this site controls the way people think? Or are you just going to try to make up a fake argument?

 Just trying to see where you're going with this. Oh and if you can find me one person who ever thought Warcraft 2 was a MMO I'd be gobsmacked. Almost no one thinks any of  those games are MMOs.

What is so different from Warcraft 2 and Diablo? If Diablo can be called an MMO, explain to me how Warcraft 2 cant be.

 I can call a cat a dog. It doesn't make it a dog. I really don't see more than a few seriously calling a Diablo 3 a MMO. It's a single player and co-op online game. For the few that mistakenly do call it a MMO what should we do call the internet thought police?

You don't get the point of this thread. It isn't about Diablo 3 specifically. I just use it as an example. I could really bring up others as well. The issue is you have people entering a thread where people are discussing an MMO, and their ideas for an MMO whether it be sandbox or themepark and then arguing that the MMO should be turned into a multiplayer game (ie; instances, lobby, limited people per area and so on), because they have no idea what an MMO is! An MMO can absolutely 100% have those non MMO like features and still be an MMO as long as the core is there.

For this website too have proper conversations people need to know the difference between an MMO and a general multiplayer game. Nothing is wrong with either genre, I love both (and single player). When someone starts a thread about an MMO they have no interest in someones fanatical ideas about a general multiplayer game.

  VengeSunsoar

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12/10/12 3:09:51 PM#48

Maybe we should make a new classification.  Something that bridges the gap between a multiplayer and what many people feel an MMO is.

A multiplayer only lets me interact with a set amount of people (for arguments sake say 64) but if there is an ability to talk/trade/auction with more than that that is is not simply a multplayer anymore, it's gone beyond that.

Call them moderate multiplayer?

Or maybe we should just call them them MMO and put the suffix virtual world onto traditional MMO.  MMOVW.  (massive multiplayer online cars... hmm auto assault :)  )

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  nariusseldon

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12/10/12 3:11:07 PM#49
Originally posted by madazz
 

It is not narrowminded. I don't like JRPG's that much so I don't typically pay attention to them. I also don't like Romance Comedy movies either... I don't think I am missing out on anything.

Let's just stop labeling stuff to help people find what they like so that they can discover new things right? 

To some extent it is true. But there are obviously grey areas. Like what do you call Dishonored? It has some RPG elemetns, some stealth, and a steam punk setting.

And to me, many "proper" MMOs, and non-MMOs are close enough that the distinction is much less than the details of gameplay. I like D3 more than WOW not because D3 is a ARPG, and WOW is a MMO, is because of the combat mechanics.

In fact, online pvp, vs online PVE games are better separated than MMO like WOW, and non-MMO diablo 3. So i don't see the MMO label that useful. When i am evaluating PS2, the important label is large battle pvp, which is 100% different in playstyle, than WOW, which incidentally is also referred to as a MMO by common usage.

I am for people spending a little more time, ignoring the labels, and learning more about individual games.

  evolver1972

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What is "real"? How do you define "real"?

12/10/12 3:11:52 PM#50
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by Drevar

It wouldn't be such a big deal to me if the site name was just MMO.com.   You could then argue that any game or network that has thousands of players online regardless of being in a single world, having traditional RPG elements, etc. should be featured here. 

The name, however is MMORPG.com.  The RPG part is what (I thought) distinguished it's content from all other types of half-ass-sorta-hybrid MMO's.

[mod edit]

MMO = "any game or network that has thousands of players online"

Can't get much more clear than that.  Not sure why Drevar supposedly doesn't know what an MMO is.  Seems like he (?) summed it up pretty well.

 

And before you start talking about how the players all need to be in the same world, does that exclude dungeons?  How about dynamic layers?  Different servers?  Instances that allow thousands of players?  How about a game where you can play by yourself in some, or even most, areas and maybe only need others to take down a difficult boss?

 

It seems to me you are trying to make up what you think MMO should mean, and anything that doesn't conform to that needs to not be included in the term.  It seems like you're trying to say that MMO only means that a game has to have a whole bunch of players online who can see/interact with every other player if they want to in one open world on one server.  Rather than the actual definition of a game that is capable of having a bunch of players online, provided that online element is a requirement to play the game.

You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???

Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!

  madazz

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OP  12/10/12 3:11:55 PM#51
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Maybe they do understand but dont' agree.

Thing is, you can disagree with fact that the earth is round in shape, but all that does is make you wrong. The definition of MMO doesn't leave room to call a 4 player game an MMO.

 One is factually based the other isn't.

No one is calling a 4 player game an MMO.  They are calling games that let us interact with hundreds of people and actively group with 5-25 an MMO.

If people knew what an MMO was I wouldn't have made this thread. Now you are just being silly and pretending people know what an MMO is. And yes, MMO does have a definition. It is exceptionally straightforward. The only subjective part of MMO is massive as no true number has been attached to the word massive.

If you are interacting with a few people, its multiplayer. Just because you have the possibility of interacting with others at some point in time in the future does not turn that multiplayer game into a massive one. MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER means we are interacting with them (a massive amount) in the same world at the same time. Multiplayer means people playing TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. Otherwise single player games are now multiplayer games because a second person can play that game AFTER the previous person.

I would take to MMO's being called multiplayer much easier as they are multiplayer. But if you aren't interacting at the same time with a massive amount of people, while playing a game, its not an MMO.

  Nevulus

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12/10/12 3:14:01 PM#52

all jokes aside I knew it was over when they introduced Guild Wars to this forum. It was not a MMO, it was just another lobby game. Slowly the tides turned in favor of this new ez-mode lobby game format. And that was that.

 

Bottomline, as a business, mmorpg.com has no choice but to accept all gaming genres in order to maintain some sort of business model with a revenue stream vast enough to keep the model going. Plain & simple, this site isn't hosted on hopes & dreams, nor wishful thinking. 

 

Minecraft is more MMO than Diablo 3 and GW1 put together, yet Minecraft is not listed on this site.[mod edit]

  grimal

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12/10/12 3:14:40 PM#53
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by stygianapoth
being on the this forum for 9 years doesn't make your opinion superior.

But it does make them at least 10 years old.

Wow... so few responses so far and already 2 people who don't understand the reason I pointed out the amount of years I've been on. It is no wonder we have so many people who don't know what an MMO is if they can't even comprehend the reason I wrote down how many years I've been coming here.

Listen, I've been here seven years.  Being here an additional two years does not make you some sort of MMORPG guru. 

My SWTOR referral link.

  VengeSunsoar

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12/10/12 3:16:28 PM#54
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Maybe they do understand but dont' agree.

Thing is, you can disagree with fact that the earth is round in shape, but all that does is make you wrong. The definition of MMO doesn't leave room to call a 4 player game an MMO.

 One is factually based the other isn't.

No one is calling a 4 player game an MMO.  They are calling games that let us interact with hundreds of people and actively group with 5-25 an MMO.

If people knew what an MMO was I wouldn't have made this thread. Now you are just being silly and pretending people know what an MMO is. And yes, MMO does have a definition. It is exceptionally straightforward. The only subjective part of MMO is massive as no true number has been attached to the word massive.

If you are interacting with a few people, its multiplayer. Just because you have the possibility of interacting with others at some point in time in the future does not turn that multiplayer game into a massive one. MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER means we are interacting with them (a massive amount) in the same world at the same time. Multiplayer means people playing TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. Otherwise single player games are now multiplayer games because a second person can play that game AFTER the previous person.

I would take to MMO's being called multiplayer much easier as they are multiplayer. But if you aren't interacting at the same time with a massive amount of people, while playing a game, its not an MMO.

 Having that ability to interact with hundreds (at some point or anytime) is what seperates multiplayer from Massively multiplayer.

Does d3 let me trade/chat with hundreds of people (so interact) with hundreds of people at the same time?  If so then it's an MMO.  If not than it doesn't. 

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  grimal

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12/10/12 3:17:26 PM#55
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by stygianapoth
being on the this forum for 9 years doesn't make your opinion superior.

But it does make them at least 10 years old.

[mod edit]

Listen, I've been here seven years.  Being here an additional two years does not make you some sort of MMORPG guru. 

[mod edit]

Oh boy.

Ok, let's try this.

What do you consider a proper MMORPG? (as in a title)

My SWTOR referral link.

  Icewhite

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12/10/12 3:20:05 PM#56

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  nariusseldon

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12/10/12 3:20:10 PM#57
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Does d3 let me trade/chat with hundreds of people (so interact) with hundreds of people at the same time?  If so then it's an MMO.  If not than it doesn't. 

yeh, you got them.

If the definition is interact with massive number of people, and interaction certainly includes "chat and trade", then the logical conclusion is that D3 is also a MMO.

That is why i said discussion definition is useless. MMO is jsut a label and common usage. D3 is not a MMO, not because of some god almighty reasoning, it is just because the common label is online ARPG.

The same reason why WOW, which many players spend most of the time in instances, is an MMO .. is becuase Blizz, IGN, and all the gaming press said so.

  madazz

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OP  12/10/12 3:20:36 PM#58
Originally posted by Nevulus

all jokes aside I knew it was over when they introduced Guild Wars to this forum. It was not a MMO, it was just another lobby game. Slowly the tides turned in favor of this new ez-mode lobby game format. And that was that.

 

Bottomline, as a business, mmorpg.com has no choice but to accept all gaming genres in order to maintain some sort of business model with a revenue stream vast enough to keep the model going. Plain & simple, this site isn't hosted on hopes & dreams, nor wishful thinking. 

 

Minecraft is more MMO than Diablo 3 and GW1 put together, yet Minecraft is not listed on this site.

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I saw it coming too... but I didn't think it would get THIS bad. I was just hoping people would understand what the difference between a general multiplayer game was and a MASSIVE version of it was.

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  grimal

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12/10/12 3:21:40 PM#59
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by Nevulus

all jokes aside I knew it was over when they introduced Guild Wars to this forum. It was not a MMO, it was just another lobby game. Slowly the tides turned in favor of this new ez-mode lobby game format. And that was that.

 

Bottomline, as a business, mmorpg.com has no choice but to accept all gaming genres in order to maintain some sort of business model with a revenue stream vast enough to keep the model going. Plain & simple, this site isn't hosted on hopes & dreams, nor wishful thinking. 

 

Minecraft is more MMO than Diablo 3 and GW1 put together, yet Minecraft is not listed on this site. Oh that's right, Notch didn't cough up the $$ for the mmorpg promotion package that included their own subforum and support.   :)   See how it works?

I saw it coming too... but I didn't think it would get THIS bad. I was just hoping people would understand what the difference between a general multiplayer game was and a MASSIVE version of it was.

After a few of the posts on here, I give up. People here just don't want to understand. This topic isn't even a matter of opinion. MMO has a definition. When you look at the words apart, then you put them together you get a pretty clear description.

I am going to go play GTA 4 now, it too is apparently an MMO because it has multiplayer and many people are networked playing the game too. Never mind there will only be 4-8 people in my game world, 4-8 is massive because somewhere else there is another game world with 4-8 people.

Irony.

My SWTOR referral link.

  Lizardone

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12/10/12 3:22:42 PM#60

MMOs come in different flavors, such as: heavily instanced MMOs, "sandbox" MMOs, FP shooter MMOs, and one of the most popular ones, single player MMOs.

 

 

 

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