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  D_TOX

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12/10/12 3:33:18 PM#21
Kids these days will never really know what a real MMO is. World of Warcraft was the last 'real' MMO. And sadly some of us were done with that after the first month. So it leaves much to be desired in this industry. It's all down to indie-developers/sandbox MMO's now. 
  madazz

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OP  12/10/12 3:34:20 PM#22
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by CreepProphet

Granted though, I'm not sure some folks grasp the full acronym. 

  • Massively - Bunches 
  • Multiplayer - of players
  • Online - at one time

Oh irony. :)

Multiplayer also means IN ONE INSTANCE. You do not call solitaire a multiplayer game because a bunch of people are playing it solo, but together in one room.

  CreepProphet

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12/10/12 3:35:46 PM#23
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by CreepProphet

Granted though, I'm not sure some folks grasp the full acronym. 

  • Massively - Bunches 
  • Multiplayer - of players
  • Online - all at one time

Oh irony. :)

Multiplayer also means IN ONE INSTANCE. You do not call solitaire a multiplayer game because a bunch of people are playing it solo, but together in one room.

Dude you're right. I totally ruined that one. *facepalms*

I should have added the "all" in there.


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  Cecropia

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12/10/12 3:36:17 PM#24
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by madazz

And now Diablo 3, Call of Duty, Quake, League of Legends, Team Fortress, Warcraft 2, Starcraft, Battlefield, Civilization and any multiplayer game or game with a mutliplayer component is called an MMO just because other people are playing it in their own little instances at the same time. You know, forget that we have descriptors for these games to seperate them into their own genres... forget what the word massive and multiplayer mean when combined... forget it... 

I guess I am going to go just play my fav MMO. Its a board game that I play with only one other person. It's called Chess. 

If you can't understand that MMO means a massive amount of multiplayers online in one game world/instance, and you instead believe that MMO means a massive amount of separate games in duplicate copies of the world...  well.... I don't even know what to say. 

MMO is just a label. And i have not heard anyone call D3, or LOL a MMO. Most people call D3 an online ARPG, and LOL a MOBA.

Do we need another debate on naming? And if a game is fun to you, do you really care whether it is called a MMORPG, or a MOBA?

I care if it is fun and what genre it falls into. When I hear about a new racing game coming out, I have the expectation and hope of being able to drive some sort of vehicle in the game. Know what I mean? I can't stand MOBAs but I love me a good MMORPG, so if I hear that game x is a MOBA then I know not to waste my time.

I'm not following where the confusion lies here but this is pretty basic stuff.

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  madazz

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OP  12/10/12 3:38:13 PM#25
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by madazz

And now Diablo 3, Call of Duty, Quake, League of Legends, Team Fortress, Warcraft 2, Starcraft, Battlefield, Civilization and any multiplayer game or game with a mutliplayer component is called an MMO just because other people are playing it in their own little instances at the same time. You know, forget that we have descriptors for these games to seperate them into their own genres... forget what the word massive and multiplayer mean when combined... forget it... 

I guess I am going to go just play my fav MMO. Its a board game that I play with only one other person. It's called Chess. 

If you can't understand that MMO means a massive amount of multiplayers online in one game world/instance, and you instead believe that MMO means a massive amount of separate games in duplicate copies of the world...  well.... I don't even know what to say. 

MMO is just a label. And i have not heard anyone call D3, or LOL a MMO. Most people call D3 an online ARPG, and LOL a MOBA.

Do we need another debate on naming? And if a game is fun to you, do you really care whether it is called a MMORPG, or a MOBA?

I care if it is fun and what genre it falls into. When I hear about a new racing game coming out, I have the expectation and hope of being able to drive some sort of vehicle in the game. Know what I mean? I can't stand MOBAs but I love me a good MMORPG, so if I hear that game x is a MOBA then I know not to waste my time.

I'm not following where the confusion lies here but this is pretty basic stuff.

Exactly, how are we supposed to share an interest on an MMO site when people keep arguing that Diablo 3 is an MMO? Things are put into genres or classified so we can be organized. Sometimes I want to play a co-op game with my buddies. I don't go to an MMO site to look up co-op games... 

  Tonin109

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12/10/12 3:39:43 PM#26
Originally posted by D_TOX
Kids these days will never really know what a real MMO is. World of Warcraft was the last 'real' MMO. And sadly some of us were done with that after the first month. So it leaves much to be desired in this industry. It's all down to indie-developers/sandbox MMO's now. 

what do you call "real" mmo?

  jimmyman99

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12/10/12 3:39:55 PM#27
Originally posted by madazz

And now Diablo 3, Call of Duty, Quake, League of Legends, Team Fortress, Warcraft 2, Starcraft, Battlefield, Civilization and any multiplayer game or game with a mutliplayer component is called an MMO just because other people are playing it in their own little instances at the same time. You know, forget that we have descriptors for these games to seperate them into their own genres... forget what the word massive and multiplayer mean when combined... forget it... 

I guess I am going to go just play my fav MMO. Its a board game that I play with only one other person. It's called Chess. 

If you can't understand that MMO means a massive amount of multiplayers online in one game world/instance, and you instead believe that MMO means a massive amount of separate games in duplicate copies of the world...  well.... I don't even know what to say. 

Can I have your stuff from like... everything? :)

I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.

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  Drevar

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12/10/12 3:41:15 PM#28

It wouldn't be such a big deal to me if the site name was just MMO.com.   You could then argue that any game or network that has thousands of players online regardless of being in a single world, having traditional RPG elements, etc. should be featured here. 

The name, however is MMORPG.com.  The RPG part is what (I thought) distinguished it's content from all other types of half-ass-sorta-hybrid MMO's.

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  zymurgeist

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12/10/12 3:41:31 PM#29
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
I hate to tell you this but for nine years they've been covering a lot more than MMOs. They focus on MMOs but the cover other gaming too.

I am not talking about site coverage. Not at all. I am talking about people thinking Diablo 3 and COD are MMO's.

 So exactly how does this site control how people think again?

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  nariusseldon

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12/10/12 3:45:12 PM#30
Originally posted by Cecropia
 

I care if it is fun and what genre it falls into. When I hear about a new racing game coming out, I have the expectation and hope of being able to drive some sort of vehicle in the game. Know what I mean? I can't stand MOBAs but I love me a good MMORPG, so if I hear that game x is a MOBA then I know not to waste my time.

I'm not following where the confusion lies here but this is pretty basic stuff.

Now of course that is very narrow minded and you probably miss out on some really good games in genre you don't pay attention to.

But still the label just help you save a little time. People should and would do their research anyway. Take LOL as an example. If it is labelled a MMO mistakenly, you would be wasting may be 5 more min reading its feature summary, which is pretty obviously that it is instanced pvp.

So once again, the label matters very little. If you really am interested in a game, you will take a least 5 min to read about what it does ... and there will be no confusion ... no matter what the label is ... of the gameplay.

So why would you care? Just for the 5 min to read a webpage to figure out LOL is a MOBA?

Personally i would much rather read up on it, and decide for myself if the details suits me.

  nariusseldon

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12/10/12 3:46:24 PM#31
Originally posted by Drevar

It wouldn't be such a big deal to me if the site name was just MMO.com.   You could then argue that any game or network that has thousands of players online regardless of being in a single world, having traditional RPG elements, etc. should be featured here. 

The name, however is MMORPG.com.  The RPG part is what (I thought) distinguished it's content from all other types of half-ass-sorta-hybrid MMO's.

May be this site should change its name, becuase it obviously cover action RPG (D3) and MOBA (LOL).

No one says a website cannot evolve.

  Quizzical

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12/10/12 3:47:48 PM#32

I don't see Call of Duty or Civilization listed on this site, among others.

What do you think should be done with games that don't neatly fit into the old classifications?  Ban game developers from trying anything innovative?

How many players in an instance does a game need before you can call it "massively" multiplayer?  Is 100 in an instance massive?  How about 1000?  I don't think you can justify picking any number n and saying that n+1 players per instance is massive and n is not.

What if a game has some instances capped at 1000 players and others capped at 2?  What if 99% of the game is instances capped at 10000 players and 1% is instances capped at 2?  What if the 99% and the 1% are reversed?

  zymurgeist

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12/10/12 3:49:41 PM#33
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
I hate to tell you this but for nine years they've been covering a lot more than MMOs. They focus on MMOs but the cover other gaming too.

I am not talking about site coverage. Not at all. I am talking about people thinking Diablo 3 and COD are MMO's.

 So exactly how does this site control how people think again?

I am sorry, but where did I even once state that this site controls the way people think? Or are you just going to try to make up a fake argument?

 Just trying to see where you're going with this. Oh and if you can find me one person who ever thought Warcraft 2 was a MMO I'd be gobsmacked. Almost no one thinks any of  those games are MMOs.

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  Loktofeit

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12/10/12 3:50:19 PM#34
Originally posted by CreepProphet
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by CreepProphet

Granted though, I'm not sure some folks grasp the full acronym. 

  • Massively - Bunches 
  • Multiplayer - of players
  • Online - all at one time

Oh irony. :)

Multiplayer also means IN ONE INSTANCE. You do not call solitaire a multiplayer game because a bunch of people are playing it solo, but together in one room.

Dude you're right. I totally ruined that one. *facepalms*

I should have added the "all" in there.

I got a kick out of that. :) The "all at one time" part seems to be where people differ in opinion. For example, GW1 had a main environment where everyone convened but since the gameplay was in small battle arenas, they opted to classify their game as a CORPG and never refered to it originally as an MMO.  In Travian, there is no 3D world, but players are not only interacting with each other but doing so on a far more massive scale than most 3D MMORPGs do, but many here do not consider Travian to be an MMO. Some of the people here would have an aneurism if you tried to convince them that Ikariam or Grepolis were MMOs, let alone MMORPGs, despite hundreds of players concurrently levelling up, chatting and warring with each other in a persistent game world.  :)

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  madazz

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OP  12/10/12 3:52:05 PM#35
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Drevar

It wouldn't be such a big deal to me if the site name was just MMO.com.   You could then argue that any game or network that has thousands of players online regardless of being in a single world, having traditional RPG elements, etc. should be featured here. 

The name, however is MMORPG.com.  The RPG part is what (I thought) distinguished it's content from all other types of half-ass-sorta-hybrid MMO's.

May be this site should change its name, becuase it obviously cover action RPG (D3) and MOBA (LOL).

No one says a website cannot evolve.

Weird... I had you blocked.

Either way, its about people not understanding what an MMO is, not what the site covers. I can't make that any more clear that I already have. 

Now, if you want to discuss taking a part a site that covers a specific topic (or tries too), and replacing it with a run of the mill website in the likes of gamespot, or ign, well thats a whole other thread my friend.

 

 

  madazz

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OP  12/10/12 3:53:23 PM#36
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by zymurgeist
I hate to tell you this but for nine years they've been covering a lot more than MMOs. They focus on MMOs but the cover other gaming too.

I am not talking about site coverage. Not at all. I am talking about people thinking Diablo 3 and COD are MMO's.

 So exactly how does this site control how people think again?

I am sorry, but where did I even once state that this site controls the way people think? Or are you just going to try to make up a fake argument?

 Just trying to see where you're going with this. Oh and if you can find me one person who ever thought Warcraft 2 was a MMO I'd be gobsmacked. Almost no one thinks any of  those games are MMOs.

What is so different from Warcraft 2 and Diablo? If Diablo can be called an MMO, explain to me how Warcraft 2 cant be.

  madazz

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OP  12/10/12 3:55:01 PM#37
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Cecropia
 

I care if it is fun and what genre it falls into. When I hear about a new racing game coming out, I have the expectation and hope of being able to drive some sort of vehicle in the game. Know what I mean? I can't stand MOBAs but I love me a good MMORPG, so if I hear that game x is a MOBA then I know not to waste my time.

I'm not following where the confusion lies here but this is pretty basic stuff.

Now of course that is very narrow minded and you probably miss out on some really good games in genre you don't pay attention to.

But still the label just help you save a little time. People should and would do their research anyway. Take LOL as an example. If it is labelled a MMO mistakenly, you would be wasting may be 5 more min reading its feature summary, which is pretty obviously that it is instanced pvp.

So once again, the label matters very little. If you really am interested in a game, you will take a least 5 min to read about what it does ... and there will be no confusion ... no matter what the label is ... of the gameplay.

So why would you care? Just for the 5 min to read a webpage to figure out LOL is a MOBA?

Personally i would much rather read up on it, and decide for myself if the details suits me.

It is not narrowminded. I don't like JRPG's that much so I don't typically pay attention to them. I also don't like Romance Comedy movies either... I don't think I am missing out on anything.

Let's just stop labeling stuff to help people find what they like so that they can discover new things right? 

  VengeSunsoar

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12/10/12 3:55:35 PM#38
Maybe they do understand but dont' agree.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  madazz

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OP  12/10/12 3:57:29 PM#39
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Maybe they do understand but dont' agree.

Thing is, you can disagree with fact that the earth is round in shape, but all that does is make you wrong. The definition of MMO doesn't leave room to call a 4 player game an MMO.

  rawfox

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12/10/12 3:58:21 PM#40
Originally posted by madazz

And now Diablo 3, Call of Duty, Quake, League of Legends, Team Fortress, Warcraft 2, Starcraft, Battlefield, Civilization and any multiplayer game or game with a mutliplayer component is called an MMO just because other people are playing it in their own little instances at the same time. You know, forget that we have descriptors for these games to seperate them into their own genres... forget what the word massive and multiplayer mean when combined... forget it... 

I guess I am going to go just play my fav MMO. Its a board game that I play with only one other person. It's called Chess. 

If you can't understand that MMO means a massive amount of multiplayers online in one game world/instance, and you instead believe that MMO means a massive amount of separate games in duplicate copies of the world...  well.... I don't even know what to say. 

 

It was the Java coders !

They started with this stupid crap, to place a bracket direct behind the function instead of the next line to keep it "containered".

They are guilty !

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