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  kadepsyson

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The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

12/09/12 12:22:46 PM#21
Originally posted by Jakdstripper
Originally posted by Yalexy


With that skillset you can make some 10-20 million ISK per hour, depending on the missions you get. So to afford a 60 day GTC (currently selling for 1.2 billion ISK)

holly crap! they were just arround 550 mil like at the beginning of this year.....

A PLEX is 30 days, and costs around 600 mil.  A 60 day timecode which can be converted to TWO PLEX is 1.2 bil after converting and sold.

Glad to clear up that math :P

El Psy Congroo

  Jakdstripper

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12/09/12 12:23:22 PM#22
disregard my previous post, i didn't read the 60 part....was thinking 30 days....it's still the same price.
  Aethaeryn

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12/09/12 12:26:32 PM#23
Originally posted by Elsabolts

I forsee " High Winds and Heavy Seas " coming for this thread. F2P or PVE servers will upset the " Hive "

Read the OP

Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!

  niceguy3978

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12/09/12 12:28:26 PM#24
Originally posted by banzai014
Oh from what I read I thought PLEX was like gems in GW2 - I didn't know somebody actually had to have spent cash to get it to market. I'm not sure then why gaming media keep reporting ISK losses as real-life PLEX $ losses.

Because they are lazy.  Also, in order to buy gems for gold someone had to buy the gems for money first and then sell them for gold, so in that way, it is exactly the same.

  Rocketeer

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12/09/12 12:44:52 PM#25
The advantage for players is that everyone is a equally valuable customer. We don't have VIPs, premiums and F2P people in EvE, everyone is equal and nobody will ask you how you got your gametime. Also the grind in F2P games like LotRO to archive vaguely similar content access as paying people ... well its insane, if its even possible which it usually is not.
  Banquetto

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12/09/12 7:59:28 PM#26


Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by banzai014 Oh from what I read I thought PLEX was like gems in GW2 - I didn't know somebody actually had to have spent cash to get it to market. Where do you think gems come from? ;)


Not from players spending cash.


When you buy gems for gold in GW2, you're dropping gold into a goldsink and receiving fresh minted gems in return.


When you sell gems for gold, the opposite is true.


You are never exchanging gems & gold with another player - always with ArenaNet. The price is not determined by a free market, it is set by ArenaNet, presumably via an algorithm where the exchange rate rises and falls as trades are made in each direction. Certainly the gold price of gems has been steadily increasing since launch, and there is no doubt that people buying gems for gold greatly outnumber people selling gems.


It's a completely different system to EVE's PLEX system, where every PLEX trade is between one player and another player, at a mutually accepted price; and every PLEX enters the economy from someone paying real money to CCP.



Originally posted by niceguy3978
Also, in order to buy gems for gold someone had to buy the gems for money first and then sell them for gold, so in that way, it is exactly the same.


Again, no.

  birdycephon

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12/09/12 8:04:01 PM#27
The moment EVE goes full F2P, is the moment it dies as a good MMO.
  Gdemami

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12/09/12 9:12:54 PM#28


Originally posted by Banquetto

Not from players spending cash.


There is a nice FAQ for you:
https://en.support.guildwars2.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9175/~/guild-wars-2-gems

  Banquetto

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12/09/12 9:52:13 PM#29


Originally posted by Gdemami

Originally posted by Banquetto

Not from players spending cash.


There is a nice FAQ for you:
https://en.support.guildwars2.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9175/~/guild-wars-2-gems



Yep. That FAQ doesn't go into massive detail, but the key points are:


Can I acquire gems in any other way?

You may acquire Guild Wars 2 gems with in-game coins; see the currency exchange tab in the Black Lion Trading Company for details.



i.e., only through the currency exchange run by ArenaNet; not through buying from other players for gold, via the Trading Post or any other means.


Can I trade gems?

You cannot trade gems.



  tom_gore

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12/10/12 3:57:14 AM#30
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by Boardwalker
I hope EVE never goes F2P. Having a sub is a great way to keep the freeloaders out, while ensuring consistent updates and free expansions from CCP.

      How is F2P freeloading?   I'm curious how and why you see it that way..  Have you heard of the saying "something is better then nothing"?  There is alot of truth in that..  There are many players such as myself that only play casually on weekends.. Paying for a sub is just careless and crazy..  I'm an advid golfer when weather permits.. Sure I would LOVE a subscription based golf course that allows me to golf all I want, whenever I want.. But should everyone, even the guy that golfs once a month pay the same monthly golf sub.?  Oh hell no..

     When a game has ONLY a subscrption option, if forces people to go  "ALL IN" or fold.. Just like poker..  If a B2P cash shop is set up properly, then both subs and pay as you go customers can co-exist..  As I said in my post, I would have no problem buying unlockables as I play..  Getting $50 out of me per year is better then nothing, which is what they are getting now from me with a manditory sub..  

Your post just plainly tells us you don't understand anything about EVE.

in exchange of every paltry 50 USD per year from casuals like you, they would probably lose ten times the amount from customers disgusted by rampant spammers, spy alts, corp thieves et cetera.

F2P just would not work for EVE. It would cause more problems than solve anything, resulting in the paying customers to leave quickly and the death of the game.

 

  Gdemami

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12/10/12 4:49:59 AM#31


Originally posted by Banquetto

Yep. That FAQ doesn't go into massive detail, but the key points are:


It is funny how you pick only parts that remotely suits your case but leave out the essential. First 3 question:

Where can I purchase gems?

At present, you can purchase Guild Wars 2 gems by visiting the Gem Store through the Black Lion Trading Company. You can reach the trading company by pressing the “O” key or by clicking the lion head in the upper-left corner of the game interface.

What forms of payment does the Gem Store accept?

The Guild Wars 2 Gem Store accepts payments via credit cards—Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and JCB Card—as well as through PayPal.

What currency will the Gem Store use for my purchase?

When you open the Gem Store billing interface, you will be asked to select your country. Prices will be presented in the currency associated with the country you selected. You will be required to enter a billing address that matches the country you selected to complete the purchase. You may change your country at any time. Gems may be purchased using Euros, U.S. Dollars, or British Pounds.


While Gems are not a subject to free market, ANet is controlling exchange price in similar manner as supply/demand forces would do - ie. gold price of gems would drop only in case when more people buy gems for real cash, causing oversupply.


  Gdemami

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12/10/12 4:54:02 AM#32


Originally posted by Rydeson

But should everyone, even the guy that golfs once a month pay the same monthly golf sub.? 


The problem with EVE is the core design that is very unfriendly to F2P model - real time skilling, complex industry system.

I have no doubt CCP would make the game F2P if they think it will make them more money, problem is HOW to make EVE F2P without changing fundamental mechanics of the game.


EVE is quite more complex than any F2P game and it ain't as easy as to just "setup a cash shop".

  Rydeson

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12/10/12 4:54:54 AM#33
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by Boardwalker
I hope EVE never goes F2P. Having a sub is a great way to keep the freeloaders out, while ensuring consistent updates and free expansions from CCP.

      How is F2P freeloading?   I'm curious how and why you see it that way..  Have you heard of the saying "something is better then nothing"?  There is alot of truth in that..  There are many players such as myself that only play casually on weekends.. Paying for a sub is just careless and crazy..  I'm an advid golfer when weather permits.. Sure I would LOVE a subscription based golf course that allows me to golf all I want, whenever I want.. But should everyone, even the guy that golfs once a month pay the same monthly golf sub.?  Oh hell no..

     When a game has ONLY a subscrption option, if forces people to go  "ALL IN" or fold.. Just like poker..  If a B2P cash shop is set up properly, then both subs and pay as you go customers can co-exist..  As I said in my post, I would have no problem buying unlockables as I play..  Getting $50 out of me per year is better then nothing, which is what they are getting now from me with a manditory sub..  

Your post just plainly tells us you don't understand anything about EVE.

in exchange of every paltry 50 USD per year from casuals like you, they would probably lose ten times the amount from customers disgusted by rampant spammers, spy alts, corp thieves et cetera. Really?  It's amazing that so many sub games already suffer from spammes and such, so subbing doesn't guarantee you anything.. And as I said, if the cash shop model is done correctly there would be no need for spamming because they wouldn't be in business..  Spy alts?  Already exist for those that own more then one account.. I believe you are reaching for "possibilities" to excuse your bias stance.. 

F2P just would not work for EVE. It would cause more problems than solve anything, resulting in the paying customers to leave quickly and the death of the game.  I'm all ears.. do inform us all how F2P would not work.. I don't want vague "could of, should and would of".. I want factual details please..

Thank you.

 

 

  Elsabolts

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12/10/12 5:02:49 AM#34
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by Boardwalker
I hope EVE never goes F2P. Having a sub is a great way to keep the freeloaders out, while ensuring consistent updates and free expansions from CCP.

      How is F2P freeloading?   I'm curious how and why you see it that way..  Have you heard of the saying "something is better then nothing"?  There is alot of truth in that..  There are many players such as myself that only play casually on weekends.. Paying for a sub is just careless and crazy..  I'm an advid golfer when weather permits.. Sure I would LOVE a subscription based golf course that allows me to golf all I want, whenever I want.. But should everyone, even the guy that golfs once a month pay the same monthly golf sub.?  Oh hell no..

     When a game has ONLY a subscrption option, if forces people to go  "ALL IN" or fold.. Just like poker..  If a B2P cash shop is set up properly, then both subs and pay as you go customers can co-exist..  As I said in my post, I would have no problem buying unlockables as I play..  Getting $50 out of me per year is better then nothing, which is what they are getting now from me with a manditory sub..  

Your post just plainly tells us you don't understand anything about EVE.

in exchange of every paltry 50 USD per year from casuals like you, they would probably lose ten times the amount from customers disgusted by rampant spammers, spy alts, corp thieves et cetera. Really?  It's amazing that so many sub games already suffer from spammes and such, so subbing doesn't guarantee you anything.. And as I said, if the cash shop model is done correctly there would be no need for spamming because they wouldn't be in business..  Spy alts?  Already exist for those that own more then one account.. I believe you are reaching for "possibilities" to excuse your bias stance.. 

F2P just would not work for EVE. It would cause more problems than solve anything, resulting in the paying customers to leave quickly and the death of the game.  I'm all ears.. do inform us all how F2P would not work.. I don't want vague "could of, should and would of".. I want factual details please..

Thank you.

The " Hive " is feeling a disturbance here.

  Banquetto

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12/10/12 6:13:58 AM#35


Originally posted by Gdemami
It is funny how you pick only parts that remotely suits your case but leave out the essential. First 3 question:


Gdemami, I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here.


Is it your claim that gems for gold in GW2 involves players directly buying and selling from each other? That each and every gem bought for gold is matched up with one gem purchased for cash and sold for gold?


Because I'm claiming that that is not the case.



Originally posted by Gdemami
While Gems are not a subject to free market, ANet is controlling exchange price in similar manner as supply/demand forces would do - ie. gold price of gems would drop only in case when more people buy gems for real cash, causing oversupply.


..and it kind of sounds like you agree with me?


So I'm not sure what our argument is.

  Loktofeit

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12/10/12 6:20:11 AM#36
Originally posted by Banquetto


Originally posted by Gdemami
It is funny how you pick only parts that remotely suits your case but leave out the essential. First 3 question:


Gdemami, I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here.


Is it your claim that gems for gold in GW2 involves players directly buying and selling from each other? That each and every gem bought for gold is matched up with one gem purchased for cash and sold for gold?


Because I'm claiming that that is not the case.

And you'd be wrong. All gems on the market were purchased and placed there by players. "The gems and gold players get from the Currency Exchange are supplied by other players, not ArenaNet." (source)

Is it possible that there may be no available gems one day as a result of that? Possible, but not at all probable.

 

 

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  Gdemami

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12/10/12 6:24:33 AM#37


Originally posted by Banquetto

So I'm not sure what our argument is.


The point is, you claimed that Gems are not purchased with real money.


Originally posted by Banquetto

Not from players spending cash.



Gems are not ordinary item with infinite supply you can purchase for gold, something you were implying. It is quite more complex than that and much closer to PLEX system, just in GW2 case ANet stepped in as a regulator in the process.

  haplo602

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12/10/12 6:25:12 AM#38
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by Rydeson
Originally posted by Boardwalker
I hope EVE never goes F2P. Having a sub is a great way to keep the freeloaders out, while ensuring consistent updates and free expansions from CCP.

      How is F2P freeloading?   I'm curious how and why you see it that way..  Have you heard of the saying "something is better then nothing"?  There is alot of truth in that..  There are many players such as myself that only play casually on weekends.. Paying for a sub is just careless and crazy..  I'm an advid golfer when weather permits.. Sure I would LOVE a subscription based golf course that allows me to golf all I want, whenever I want.. But should everyone, even the guy that golfs once a month pay the same monthly golf sub.?  Oh hell no..

     When a game has ONLY a subscrption option, if forces people to go  "ALL IN" or fold.. Just like poker..  If a B2P cash shop is set up properly, then both subs and pay as you go customers can co-exist..  As I said in my post, I would have no problem buying unlockables as I play..  Getting $50 out of me per year is better then nothing, which is what they are getting now from me with a manditory sub..  

Your post just plainly tells us you don't understand anything about EVE.

in exchange of every paltry 50 USD per year from casuals like you, they would probably lose ten times the amount from customers disgusted by rampant spammers, spy alts, corp thieves et cetera. Really?  It's amazing that so many sub games already suffer from spammes and such, so subbing doesn't guarantee you anything.. And as I said, if the cash shop model is done correctly there would be no need for spamming because they wouldn't be in business..  Spy alts?  Already exist for those that own more then one account.. I believe you are reaching for "possibilities" to excuse your bias stance.. 

F2P just would not work for EVE. It would cause more problems than solve anything, resulting in the paying customers to leave quickly and the death of the game.  I'm all ears.. do inform us all how F2P would not work.. I don't want vague "could of, should and would of".. I want factual details please..

Thank you.

 

 

It is quite simple. The highest order PvP in EVE does work on heavy metagaming (spies, scams etc.). This means financial investment to keep a spy account. Trial accounts do not work for this purpose. If EVE was F2P, there'd be no limit to metagaming and the most exciting parts of the game would die. If you remove the interesting endgame parts from the game, what do you think the result will be ?

 

  Gdemami

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12/10/12 6:31:07 AM#39


Originally posted by Loktofeit

And you'd be wrong. All gems on the market were purchased by players. Is it possible that there may be no available gems one day as a result of that? Possible, but not at all probable.


It is not technically correct since players do not sell Gems for gold individually and Gem supply is probably infinite but that still does not imply they can be acquired at infinite rate - their price would go up as their supply goes down, regulated by ANet same way free market would do in EVE Online with PLEX.

  Loktofeit

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12/10/12 6:33:32 AM#40
Originally posted by Gdemami


Originally posted by Loktofeit

And you'd be wrong. All gems on the market were purchased by players. Is it possible that there may be no available gems one day as a result of that? Possible, but not at all probable.

It is not technically correct since players do not sell Gems for gold individually and Gem supply is probably infinite but that still does not imply they can be acquired at infinite rate - their price would go up as their supply goes down, regulated by ANet same way free market would do in EVE Online with PLEX.

Whether game or government, market regulation is a given. :)

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