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  kevjards

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Joined: 9/27/10
Posts: 1443

12/08/12 5:42:14 PM#21
i,m quite happy with the community..what i mean by that is that you rarely see any chat on  my server..it maybe just my lvl and the areas i,m in..my max lvl is 48 elementalist.i have noticed its extremely quiet but i thoroughly enjoy the game.and for a B2P game its great.a game is what you make it ..it does help if the community is great but has i say i dont have a problem with that atm
  BizkitNL

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Joined: 12/29/02
Posts: 2277

"Free to play, pay to win""

12/08/12 5:48:29 PM#22

I quit after a month because: SURPRISE!!!! I'm all burnt-out at MMO's. I really wanted for GW2 to bring the change, and it did for a while. But sadly, I was left with that same bad taste in my mouth like all the other MMO's.

So I'm sticking to EvE Online and Planetside 2. The former always beckons me, so it must be doing something right, the latter because........well, I find it bloody awesome.

Between the two, I don't have any more time to play something else.

Feel like trying Planetside 2? Get a headstart with the starter kit!

  Draron

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Joined: 5/07/11
Posts: 1009

12/08/12 5:54:55 PM#23
Originally posted by Fearum

If you listened to people that posted on forums, you would never play any game. 

This. Not saying GW2 is a perfect game - I doubt it has longevity, but it's a one time purchase so I'm not bothered by that. But taking to heart what most say on MMO forums is just asking for the game to be ruined.

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7050

12/08/12 5:57:40 PM#24
Originally posted by NorseGod

So, I'm looking into either returning to a MMO that I already own, or buying a new one.

I never liked GW2 from the very start. The reason? The vicious, smartassed community on the forums. It is a huge turn off. Game of the Universe Awards mean nothing to me, because it's all political anyways. "No sub fee" doesn't impress me either.

However, I am curious about the game. Nothing really stands out from the rest out there except that it's new, at least in my opinion. It's the ONLY reason I'm giving it consideration.

I have been keeping an eye out on livestreams on Xfire. Seems that only a very few livestream the game. Those end up revieling nothing special at all. Just some guy playing a short-skirt wearing female character in an empty place. In fact, I didn't see 1 other player in the livestream videos I watched. It was a bore.

So, I'm asking the people that have quit playing:

1) Why did you quit?

2) What's the pop?

3) Where are all the players (I saw none on the livestreams)?

4 )Is it like SWTOR in that you max level and get the best gear within 2 weeks, then bored to death?

5) Is PvP a CC spamming joke?

Is there something else bad that I'm missing that I should know about?

1. I hit a wall at level 48ish. It felt like the samething over and over. I looked the same as I was when I was 14, I was fighting the same things, srits and cenitars over and over, and it felt like the cash shop was constantly tugging at my pocket.

 

The cash shop isn't like the WoW, or TSW cash shop or even the PS2 cash shop. In WoW and TSW, you never in the slightest feel that you need or even that it would be benificial. The PS2 cash shop, you want to buy, not that you need to buy, or should by. The entire in game economy in GW2 is set up to keep you broke (sub 80) and to incourage you to buy gems.

 

2. Pop was great for the first 3 weeks 200+ Spvp matches going and WvW servers full. Now there's never more than 20 Spvp matches running and WvW never has a queue.

 

3. Looking at every indicator with a number associated with it show that the game has lost a large portion of the players.

 

4. Even more so in GW2. Level in 4-5 days, then buy some gems, then buy your armor, or just buy it.

 

5. No the CC is extremely limited, and so are the strats. You wont see any RMP, or LSD in guild wars 2. Nothing close.

 

I bought the game for the Spvp. I ended up playing more WvW because Spvp was the most pointless battleground system I have ever played.  All battle grounds are pointless, but in every other game I played, you atleast got stuff you could use, and built a hatred of the other faction. In GW2 everything you earn in Spvp is completely worthless outside of the mist (mist is the pvp lobby, about the size of a match book.) You can't even equip what you earn in the real game world. No factions, no rewards limited )if any) strats = no good 

 

WvW was awesome for about 3 weeks. That's when I realized it was part of the gold sink- incourage you to by gems system.  Sub 80 seige equipment is expensive. You will go broke if WvW is all you do. You'll end up buy siege equipment hoping to make you money back.

 

WvW quickly became a circle zerg too with no room for smaller groups or solo players. If 3 faction pvp is what your looking for play Planet Side 2. 

 

No bro your not missing a thing. It is exactly what you think it iis. The casual mmorpg pve/pvprs dream game. IF that's what your looking for, there is no more streamlined, no threat of losing game on the market. 

  greenreen

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Joined: 11/19/12
Posts: 1430

12/08/12 6:36:19 PM#25

The main reason I left the game was for the ascended gear being introduced, it represented grindey vertical progression and that isn't for me. It's what I believed the game not to be.

 

Since leaving I can name all the flaws that I overlooked as long as I thought they had that core value.

 

Things like noone talking unless you were in wvw. Out in the world the only real chatter was about when the next dragon was up or drop rates (a sign to me again that the game has gone grind).

 

I was always broke, pvp costs money and other than dungeons, you don't make much just doing random events. Some say money was in dungeons - that's nice - I don't run dungeons anymore, I don't like them and I shouldn't have to be forced to do them.  If you bare down and farm the events in Orr people claim you make money but again, following the herd and grinding the same things over and over again isn't what I imagined my end game to be. Bottom line, I had to PVE to afford PVP. I didn't do the PVP zerg nonstop so money wasn't rolling in and I bought siege equipment because the zerg wouldn't, further depleting me constantly. At best I could make 2g a day -- an entire day... so it was one day of PVE to one or two days of PVP. The bad part about this is that the PVP maps don't stop for "regulars" to go farm PVE. Everytime I was in PVE land I felt like I was letting down the people in PVP because I couldn't participate and had to be "at work" (in pve land).

 

Crafting I like to make profit from - good luck, undercutting is horrible in the game and if something isn't the max lvl item it rarely sells for over 1 copper above vendor cost. I could go on and on about the food prices. See, one time they found out that people were making a profit vendoring food. So, they took off the ability to vendor food at all until they could fix it. That was about the first month in the game. Since then they have never revisited the issue and food drops to crazy low prices on the trading post because there is no vendor price buffer to stop how low it can sell for. The trading post takes 15% of your money also, 5% when you post an item and 10% when it's sold, people putting things up for 1 copper above vendor cost actually lose money when they could just vendor the item but it doesn't stop them. I'm not even certain that there isn't manipulation behind the scenes because there are no names on any auctions, they are just all clumped together and all you see is quantity. For all I know, they have a script running that undercuts everyone  every 4 hours. I have no proof of this but I do find it shady that the prices would drop to vendor cost and no one factor in the 15% they are losing constantly. I am saying from a standpoint of watching items drop as low as 1 copper to buy and I know that it costs 1 copper to list an item, I don't see why someone would even waste their time posting something.

 

All the events were tied into "magical boxes of random chance" which could be bought from the cash shop. That should give you an idea of what the intention was there, blow money on a chance at something with a limited time banner indicating scarcity. I did not participate in those gambling games but I saw plenty of people on the forums crying when they did and had bought hundreds of the items and not even had 1 item of rare event nature be found. I felt sorry for them and I knew that the game I was playing brought that sorrow to them and myself watching. People don't mind chance at a reasonable rate but something with real money involved that is also subject to low chances just seems like they are taking advantage of people with gambling addictions.

 

I'm pretty tired from a huge shopping trip so I'm not going to sit here and list every complaint but those would be the largest that if I was talking to a friend I would tell them before they jumped in. I can't guess population because I'm not there, when I left it was lower than normal and people were still mad about ascended gear. Did they stay gone or return - really don't care either way, I know I'm not going back.

 

I believed in their rabble about making a new kind of game at one point and while I can say I got my money's worth, it was only because I blindly believed their manifesto thinking that they wanted the game to be what I wanted.  That's when I enjoyed the game, when I thought it was going to be different and no one would change or deviate from the grand manifesto. I rode the rainbow and for that I was entertained, when the balloon I was holding popped, on my way down I could see all the issues I was overlooking just because of their supposed ideals. They weren't real, so chalk it up to another lie from human lips. I shouldn't be surprised over 30 yrs old but I was.

 

 

 

  InFlamestwo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/20/11
Posts: 677

12/09/12 2:55:47 AM#26
There's coming big WvWvW updates in January and February.

  eyelolled

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/13/10
Posts: 3083

I am more than some of my parts

12/09/12 3:10:52 AM#27
Originally posted by NorseGod

...

I never liked GW2 from the very start. The reason? The vicious, smartassed community on the forums. It is a huge turn off. Game of the Universe Awards mean nothing to me, because it's all political anyways. "No sub fee" doesn't impress me either.

...

Another one of these threads. what is with the people in these forums?

 

Hey, I'd like to have a thread where people complain! Lets make a thread asking everybody to complain! I don't like the game, so I want to hear people complain,

 

 

All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

  Foomerang

Elite Member

Joined: 11/10/05
Posts: 4790

A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

12/09/12 3:28:29 AM#28

I was going to write about how silly it is to not play a game because of crappy forums. But then I realized I dont buy apple products because of those pretentious commercials so I guess I have no footing there.

Still, I think the worst forums ever was SWG and that was my favorite mmo. So you never really know for sure.

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  NorseGod

Novice Member

Joined: 2/28/12
Posts: 573

 
OP  12/09/12 3:35:41 AM#29
Originally posted by eyelolled
Originally posted by NorseGod

...

I never liked GW2 from the very start. The reason? The vicious, smartassed community on the forums. It is a huge turn off. Game of the Universe Awards mean nothing to me, because it's all political anyways. "No sub fee" doesn't impress me either.

...

Another one of these threads. what is with the people in these forums?

 

Hey, I'd like to have a thread where people complain! Lets make a thread asking everybody to complain! I don't like the game, so I want to hear people complain,

 

 

Thanks for your post. I've gotten exactly what I was looking for. Consistant answers to all of my assumptions.

Seriously, to everyone. Thanks for your input.

  User Deleted
12/09/12 5:17:42 AM#30
Originally posted by NorseGod

Thanks for your post. I've gotten exactly what I was looking for. Consistant answers to all of my assumptions.

Seriously, to everyone. Thanks for your input.

No doubt you did. This forum is the best place to come to when you look for a crowd to validate your hatred of GW2, or actually, to be fair, of any MMORPG. That's pretty much why less and less people who really enjoy those games post here.

Now up to you to let some unknown people on a forum decide for you what you enjoy or not, or to make up your own mind by ignoring them and trying the game yourself.

  Kyleran

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Joined: 9/13/06
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Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

12/09/12 6:08:14 AM#31
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by NorseGod

Thanks for your post. I've gotten exactly what I was looking for. Consistant answers to all of my assumptions.

Seriously, to everyone. Thanks for your input.

No doubt you did. This forum is the best place to come to when you look for a crowd to validate your hatred of GW2, or actually, to be fair, of any MMORPG. That's pretty much why less and less people who really enjoy those games post here.

Now up to you to let some unknown people on a forum decide for you what you enjoy or not, or to make up your own mind by ignoring them and trying the game yourself.

This forum is also a great haven for people who seem to take great offense when others don't like their favorite game, and invalidate their opinions on why they didn't like it, sometimes strictly because they came to this site to share them.

The "truth" is, these "haters" all feel the way they do for the reasons they have stated.  What the OP has to do is determine if these Issues they raise are important or not to him/her and what they are looking for in a new title.

And no, one does not have to try evey game to determine if they like it or not, but if you want to go down that road then better wait for a free trial. 

Although, they've been really generous with their refunds, you could buy it from them directly and they'll give you your money back months later if you decide you don't like it. I just don't really feel that tactic is very sporting, but others don't seem to mind.

 

"In these forums 'honest' seems to be a symonym for 'hates the game just like I do'" - ohioastro
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  korent1991

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Joined: 5/01/09
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12/09/12 6:26:12 AM#32
Originally posted by NorseGod

 

So, I'm asking the people that have quit playing:

Why did you quit?

What's the pop?

Where are all the players (I saw none on the livestreams)?

Is it like SWTOR in that you max level and get the best gear within 2 weeks, then bored to death?

Is PvP a CC spamming joke?

Is there something else bad that I'm missing that I should know about?

I'm still playing the game without any pauses...

The world is actually really populated still, I came across less players than I did when the game launched (which is expected) but there's still MASSIVE amount of players. Whenever I go into a dungeon there's tons of people standing outside the dungeon getting their groups together.

SWTOR was just a big massive dissapointment, to me atleast, and I still can't believe what €A did to that poor game which could've been such a huge success (if not in the hands of €A it would've been). Tho I heard it's much better now, but with current freemium model it's just waging to be P2W for subscribers (so I've heard - check the forums for details I guess). The game didn't even last me long enough to get max lvl char... -.-'

PvP is like nothing I've ever experienced before. Not to mention the WvWvW is really fun (if you have a commander present or a few people who can actually get the server organised, but if that's not the case it's still fun tho you'll die a lot more :) ). PvP is really balanced and you can counter every class if you know how to play it, some classes are harder to master than others but you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly but you'll have to play alot of pvp to get the skills to actually be good enough for tournaments. It's really nothing you can spamm in PvP since your skill build is limited to number of skill slots (which is actually pretty awesome - if you set up the build to your gaming style).

Dungeons are really difficult on explorable if you don't know what you're doing or if someone in your party doesn't know what to do.. But they said they're patching the dungeons to balance them out (because smoe dungs are too hard, while some are just too easy).

The game just had patched content not long ago and we recieved a new area, we had 1 time only events where we had to prevent Karkas from taking over Lion's Arch (the worlds Capital city - so to speak) and then we had to push them back and finally kill their main leader... The event lasted around 3 days and it was pretty cool, but the lagg was really hiddeous sometimes.

"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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  Kuinn

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12/09/12 6:49:02 AM#33
Originally posted by NorseGod

Why did you quit?

 

I simply just did not feel the drive after some 3 weeks or so. I didnt have motivation to continue. The combat alone wasnt interesting enough to keep me going, the story was something I cant really even remember. The events were a fun change compared to questing, but they too werent really anything memorable and they are also just a repeat of the same event in the same spot mostly.

 

As far as I know there is not even a chance for interesting miscellaneous drops in this game, I could be wrong though, but it was one of the reasons I left, the drops felt very generic basic stuff that you simply need to get past an area, no transmutation stones or such.

 

No competition, no rivalry, no need to group up for anything else than dungeons which are so chaotic that I really didnt enjoy them so much. Same races on enemy side on PvP so there's not really any kind of factional pride, no interesting mechanics in W v W v W for conquering other realms areas.

 

The whole time I played people never asked anything the area chat, which indicates quite clearly that there is nothing interesting or difficult that stands out in an area, and quickly when you enter a new area you already expect that there's nothing else extraordinaly interesting in that area except the area specific jumping puzzle.

 

I guess the game is simply way too carefully crafted for my tastes. It looks great, it runs smooth, there's very few bugs, everything is fine on paper... It's just not that interesting on a long run.

 

The single greatest feature of the game is in my opinion the gear-less arena PvP, I'm going back for that as soon as I finish some other games I have on a list and when I loose my interest in PS2. Also for just a box price I recommend to try the game, I've already put hours into GW2 more than I put on 4 full priced single player games, it's certainly not a waste.

  pedrostrik

Novice Member

Joined: 4/07/10
Posts: 400

12/09/12 11:07:08 AM#34

I think you can buy the game by 50$, and its is value.

You will enjoy the game if you get a nice guild, if you not, you still have the map and its features to enjoy for a while. Story mode with whispers its the best one, but in the final part all are the same (around L60), but to made 1 time its ok.

Gameplay its one of the best geatures, as soon as you get it's makes you fill strange if you try again another MMO.

Puzzle jumps, vistas are nice features on this game, Hearts and skill points not, (i would like much more a system as in GW1).

sPvP, it gets boring fast as it is, WxWxW its a money sink but very enjoyable and addicitve,

Class balance its one of the best out there, if you have fingers you can do wonders with your not so good class.

Dungeons , i dont like dungeons on any MMO and i try to avoid then as much as possible, but i tried on GW2 and they are a bit hard for WoW standard, but im doing story mode on all (difficult to get group).

Max gear its very easy to get it. dont need dungeons at all.

Right now im trying to complete 100% the map with my 2 L80's, and still enjoying cause i play with RL friends and its far better experience.

  Maelzrael

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/15/12
Posts: 309

I like games.

12/09/12 11:55:56 AM#35

My recommendations for enjoying guild wars 2 as i have.(600 hours played)

1. Join an active guild with friendly and helpful players to show you the depth of things as well as have something to do stuff with, from beginning to endgame.

2. If you can, start playing the game with a friend, or make some right away. Try to level a set of characters together. Learning how your combo fields/finishers work with another class and owning content/pvp/wvw or w/e you like together can make a huge difference in how much you enjoy the game and how much you want to log in.

3. Try everything. That means exploring, De's, Hearts, Crafting, Spvp, WvW, dungeons, exp modes, Tournaments, Mini games, etc. If you do this I'm 95% sure you'll find more enjoyment then a person who jumps in, tried on or two things of the above and then says "oh this sucks /ragequit"

4. Remember that the purchase of 60$ grants you unlimited access to a AAA mmorpg that is, in most ways, different from the others, and most definatly not a WoW clone like the genre has been full of.

5. Remember that this is NOT WoW. Do not expect to play it like WoW. Gw2 really does require a different mindset then other theme-park mmo's. For example. No kill stealing/node stealing means you can safely play with other people you encounter without raining on their parade. Therefore, you start to feel less threatened by other players and actually welcome them. Note that in alot of cases people Want to play by themeselves and you may be one of them initially, however after the "newness" passes, you'll find there are plenty of people who want to group up for zone clearing, champion mobs, jumping puzzles, and a myriad of other activities that are just more fun with other people around.

6. Finally, just try it, theres no better value for your money on the MMO market today. Yes the forums around different websites may be littered with trolls and the like. However once in the game, at least on my server (Darkhaven), I find it very difficult to find people who arent helpful or fun. Let me give an example to close: In WoW, out of 10 players, 6 of them will be trolls whom would rather troll you then help you. 2 of them will be friendly, and 2 of them will be silent. In Gw2, 6 of them will be friendly, 2 of them will be Trolls, and 2 of them will be silent. At least that is my experience in Darkhaven as i've leveled up and even at Endgame.

 

Hope this helps would be Gw2 players and/or existing players.

  Torvaldr

Elite Member

Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5575

12/09/12 12:11:48 PM#36
Originally posted by Foomerang

I was going to write about how silly it is to not play a game because of crappy forums. But then I realized I dont buy apple products because of those pretentious commercials so I guess I have no footing there.

Still, I think the worst forums ever was SWG and that was my favorite mmo. So you never really know for sure.

I don't buy apple products because I like other products better and I don't like the apple ecosystem.  I like my network to be a windows ecosystem.   The most acerbic forum community is probably this one followed by rift and lotro.  The latter two forum communities have gone to hell in a handbasket.  Their in game communities don't really mirror the forums at all.

OP - never play a game based on what you read in forum pvp.  Wait until there is a free trial and check it out then. That is what I recommend for any game.  If you really want to try the game you can check out their return policy (it's in the GW2 support website) which they sill offer.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  engellen

Novice Member

Joined: 9/06/07
Posts: 87

played a million mmo's

12/09/12 12:15:12 PM#37
you can roll in combat, other than that the game wasnt fun.

played a million mmo's

  Foomerang

Elite Member

Joined: 11/10/05
Posts: 4790

A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

12/09/12 1:44:37 PM#38


Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Foomerang I was going to write about how silly it is to not play a game because of crappy forums. But then I realized I dont buy apple products because of those pretentious commercials so I guess I have no footing there. Still, I think the worst forums ever was SWG and that was my favorite mmo. So you never really know for sure.
I don't buy apple products because I like other products better and I don't like the apple ecosystem.  I like my network to be a windows ecosystem.   The most acerbic forum community is probably this one followed by rift and lotro.  The latter two forum communities have gone to hell in a handbasket.  Their in game communities don't really mirror the forums at all.

OP - never play a game based on what you read in forum pvp.  Wait until there is a free trial and check it out then. That is what I recommend for any game.  If you really want to try the game you can check out their return policy (it's in the GW2 support website) which they sill offer.


I really dont visit official forums for any game I enjoy mainly because they ultimately taint the game for me. Its like you're having a good time so you visit the forums only to find that you're not supposed to be enjoying this pos and should be outraged about all kinds of things you havent really given much thought about.

These are the only forums I frequent. And I hate myself for it haha!

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  Magnetia

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/07/11
Posts: 964

Any fool can know. The point is to understand.

12/09/12 1:47:33 PM#39
I think there are population spikes during the monthly events. I've said it many times before but I still think that they are working on making the technical content to finish the game. I mean observer modes, guild halls and whatnot.

Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?

  Tiller

Guide

Joined: 9/14/05
Posts: 4967

12/09/12 1:56:43 PM#40

I’m pretty neutral about the game, I enjoy my time in it, and for now it’s the best thing I have found to play with little time investment, and no monthly money sinks.

I mean if something I liked better was to come along I would snatch that up to try, but as of now it’s hard for me to enjoy other games with stingy old school game mechanics, like kill stealing, mat camping, quest clicky races, or power up ganking.


SWG pre-cu vet, elder Jedi, elder BH -Bloodfin

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