Originally posted by Axehandle

Remember the first time that you hit max level on some of the older mmorpg titles you felt so accomplished because the journey was epic. From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful but now games like swtor the journey was just an obstacle to overcome and not really an enjoyable part of the experience. 

 

I want that feeling back in games. That pull factor that kept you logging on each day and playing for hours because your goal was to get a few more levels in and really immerse yourself in the world.

It's not just you, but i feel that unfortunately a lot of us have been playing for so long that it just won't occur again.  Although, i will admit, i'm getting a little bit of that tickle right now while playing Rift's expansion and i really didn't expect that.  It is very similar to the feeling i had while playing Burning Crusade in WoW.  Everyone's experience with this feeling is as different as the games that they happened in, but i think it might be possible to get that feeling again, it just may not be as intense as it used to be.

It's like winning a state championship in football for your team back in high school and then watching your son do the same thing 20 years later.  It's kind of similar in feeling, but not the same.

Originally posted by Skymourne

Originally posted by Axehandle

Remember the first time that you hit max level on some of the older mmorpg titles you felt so accomplished because the journey was epic. From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful but now games like swtor the journey was just an obstacle to overcome and not really an enjoyable part of the experience. 

 

I want that feeling back in games. That pull factor that kept you logging on each day and playing for hours because your goal was to get a few more levels in and really immerse yourself in the world.

It's not just you, but i feel that unfortunately a lot of us have been playing for so long that it just won't occur again.  Although, i will admit, i'm getting a little bit of that tickle right now while playing Rift's expansion and i really didn't expect that.  It is very similar to the feeling i had while playing Burning Crusade in WoW.  Everyone's experience with this feeling is as different as the games that they happened in, but i think it might be possible to get that feeling again, it just may not be as intense as it used to be.

It's like winning a state championship in football for your team back in high school and then watching your son do the same thing 20 years later.  It's kind of similar in feeling, but not the same.

 

I think several such fathers would be absolutely thrilled to have that happen, happier than they could have dreamed.  You know, American dream, better life for children, etc. 

Originally posted by Velocinox

Originally posted by Axehandle

From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful

The fact that you used the already accelerated WoW as opposed to the real grind EQ, immediately dilutes your sentiment.

What's your point?

Because I didn't play EQ I'm not worthy of an opinion on leveling?

Are you the overseer on what members get to have opinions on?

You might want to check your bias attitude at the door and realize others experienced different things from you and that doesn't "dilute" their experience by any means.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by Skymourne

Originally posted by Axehandle

Remember the first time that you hit max level on some of the older mmorpg titles you felt so accomplished because the journey was epic. From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful but now games like swtor the journey was just an obstacle to overcome and not really an enjoyable part of the experience. 

 

I want that feeling back in games. That pull factor that kept you logging on each day and playing for hours because your goal was to get a few more levels in and really immerse yourself in the world.

It's not just you, but i feel that unfortunately a lot of us have been playing for so long that it just won't occur again.  Although, i will admit, i'm getting a little bit of that tickle right now while playing Rift's expansion and i really didn't expect that.  It is very similar to the feeling i had while playing Burning Crusade in WoW.  Everyone's experience with this feeling is as different as the games that they happened in, but i think it might be possible to get that feeling again, it just may not be as intense as it used to be.

It's like winning a state championship in football for your team back in high school and then watching your son do the same thing 20 years later.  It's kind of similar in feeling, but not the same.

 

I think several such fathers would be absolutely thrilled to have that happen, happier than they could have dreamed.  You know, American dream, better life for children, etc. 

Oh i agree, i wasn't saying it was a bad thing.  I was using it to give emotional imagery.

Originally posted by Skymourne

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by Skymourne

Originally posted by Axehandle

Remember the first time that you hit max level on some of the older mmorpg titles you felt so accomplished because the journey was epic. From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful but now games like swtor the journey was just an obstacle to overcome and not really an enjoyable part of the experience. 

 

I want that feeling back in games. That pull factor that kept you logging on each day and playing for hours because your goal was to get a few more levels in and really immerse yourself in the world.

It's not just you, but i feel that unfortunately a lot of us have been playing for so long that it just won't occur again.  Although, i will admit, i'm getting a little bit of that tickle right now while playing Rift's expansion and i really didn't expect that.  It is very similar to the feeling i had while playing Burning Crusade in WoW.  Everyone's experience with this feeling is as different as the games that they happened in, but i think it might be possible to get that feeling again, it just may not be as intense as it used to be.

It's like winning a state championship in football for your team back in high school and then watching your son do the same thing 20 years later.  It's kind of similar in feeling, but not the same.

 

I think several such fathers would be absolutely thrilled to have that happen, happier than they could have dreamed.  You know, American dream, better life for children, etc. 

Oh i agree, i wasn't saying it was a bad thing.  I was using it to give emotional imagery.

Well, I just mean if for instance my son did something similar to that, I'd be happier then than when I myself did it.  Just thought it was kinda the opposite for me at least from what you were trying to say.

Originally posted by Axehandle

Remember the first time that you hit max level on some of the older mmorpg titles you felt so accomplished because the journey was epic. From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful but now games like swtor the journey was just an obstacle to overcome and not really an enjoyable part of the experience. 

 

I want that feeling back in games. That pull factor that kept you logging on each day and playing for hours because your goal was to get a few more levels in and really immerse yourself in the world.

Originally posted by Axehandle

Remember the first time that you hit max level on some of the older mmorpg titles you felt so accomplished because the journey was epic. From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful but now games like swtor the journey was just an obstacle to overcome and not really an enjoyable part of the experience. 

 

I want that feeling back in games. That pull factor that kept you logging on each day and playing for hours because your goal was to get a few more levels in and really immerse yourself in the world.

Well i had that EPIC feeling on all my classes in FFXI but NEVER in a linear questing game.Wow i feel was ONLY because the majority and a LARGE majority at that were playing their first MMORPG and just got excited over nothing.

Wow pushes you in that linear direction and at the same time was never tough to do quests.

A HUGE difference from FFXI where as you get higher in levels, the seperation in levels became tougher and tougher.

First of all those linear questing games can for the most part be done solo,so ya not much in way of EPIC there.

FFXI you HAD to group for the most part.Your groups started by fighting 1-2 levels above yours,but as you got higher the levels became +6-+10 levels higher ,a couple mistakes you and your group die.

Even the solo part of FFXI was MUCH more epic than anything Wow offered as playing a Beastmaster was truly challenging,one mistake or bad luck and you were dead.

Also in FFXI you pretty much can NOT run from a bad situation,you need to learn how to fight through it.In many other games you run for a short bit and the hate is lost.There was of course the zoning but that was again SMARTS that got you to safety.

I am not picking on Wow,merely stating the obvious,ALL these games are linear questing,they hand out FREE xp just for doing a quest.In FFXI you get ZERO xp for doing quests,there is a BIG difference in EPIC game play right there.

SO until anotehr game comes along that removes xp for linear questing,the EPIC feel will not be there.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Axehandle

Remember the first time that you hit max level on some of the older mmorpg titles you felt so accomplished because the journey was epic. From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful but now games like swtor the journey was just an obstacle to overcome and not really an enjoyable part of the experience. 

 

I want that feeling back in games. That pull factor that kept you logging on each day and playing for hours because your goal was to get a few more levels in and really immerse yourself in the world.

Accomplished? That is just an illusion.

Whole game is an illusion.

Yeah. Games are just that .. illusions to invoke certain feelings for enjoyment.

I would not take them too seriously.

1.  I've never hit max level on any game I've ever played, ever actually. MMO or spg.

2.  You've changed.  You are more experienced, more knowlegable, less naive, likely less passionate and excitable.  It will not be possible to get the same feeling as before by doing the same things.  You will have to do something different and the developers will have to provide a significantly different game.

I am completely convinced that the biggest problem with the genre for us vets (if there is a problem) is that we have become used to and too knowledgable in how we interface with the game.  We need a new way to interact with the games in order to bring that feeling back.

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Axehandle

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Quirhid
Its not the same the second time, or the third, or the fifty-second.

This. ^

Or, the way I would have put it is, you can only do something for the first time once.

Right, but different games are by their very nature different. The first time you hit level cap in wow does not mean the journey to level cap in swtor is marginalized because you already did it in a different game.

It depends on how similar it is.  Doing something stupid a zillion times to grind out levels is pretty similar, no matter what the "something stupid" is.  If that gave you a feeling of accomplishment the first time, then perhaps the issue is that it doesn't take that long to realize that that's a silly thing to feel accomplished over.

The trouble with having so many WoW-clones is that from playing previous ones, you're mostly familiar with a new one the moment you pick it up.  If you're 90% of the way to being sick of a "new" game the moment you first log in, that kills off a lot of fun that the game would have been otherwise.

I currently feel that way about most of mmorpg genre.  That being said, there are a few indie games that are different and can give you that sense of accomplishment.

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Originally posted by Axehandle

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Originally posted by Velocinox

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Originally posted by Axehandle From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful

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The fact that you used the already accelerated WoW as opposed to the real grind EQ, immediately dilutes your sentiment.

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What's your point?   Because I didn't play EQ I'm not worthy of an opinion on leveling?   Are you the overseer on what members get to have opinions on?

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It means exactly what I said. You are already part of what started this whole accelerated trip to end game. When you complain about it to people who actually enjoyed a long levelling time before WoW came along and started the whole decent into MMORPG's with one month lifespans your opinion becomes less poignant.

It's like you kicked all the old MMORPGers dogs by jumping on the fast levelling WoW and then when even faster MMOs come along and yours gets kicked, you suddenly jump up and cry, "Why all the dog kicking?!?"

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Originally posted by Axehandle  
You might want to check your bias attitude at the door

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HAHAHAHA... Why? What are you going to if I don't? It's the internet!

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Axehandle

Remember the first time that you hit max level on some of the older mmorpg titles you felt so accomplished because the journey was epic. From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful but now games like swtor the journey was just an obstacle to overcome and not really an enjoyable part of the experience. 

 

I want that feeling back in games. That pull factor that kept you logging on each day and playing for hours because your goal was to get a few more levels in and really immerse yourself in the world.

When you hike a mountain for 14 hours in harsh conditions and you finally get to the top you will feel accomplished.

If you get there on ropeway then you won't feel that way.

That depnds on what your previous experiences are with being on a mountain in harsh conditions. If you've never even gone hiking before, I imagine summiting a mountain in harsh conditions would feel like quite an accomplishment regardless of how you did it.

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Axehandle

Remember the first time that you hit max level on some of the older mmorpg titles you felt so accomplished because the journey was epic. From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful but now games like swtor the journey was just an obstacle to overcome and not really an enjoyable part of the experience. 

 

I want that feeling back in games. That pull factor that kept you logging on each day and playing for hours because your goal was to get a few more levels in and really immerse yourself in the world.

When you hike a mountain for 14 hours in harsh conditions and you finally get to the top you will feel accomplished.

If you get there on ropeway then you won't feel that way.

 

That depnds on what your previous experiences are with being on a mountain in harsh conditions. If you've never even gone hiking before, I imagine summiting a mountain in harsh conditions would feel like quite an accomplishment regardless of how you did it.

 and how many times you've summited a mountain, and/or that mountain and what your purpose in going to the summit is.

I hike a lot, summit probably 15-20 times a year.  While I enjoy it, I really don't get a feeling of accomplishment from doing it (generally, yes a new and very difficult mountain may do it, I imagine everest would do it :)  )   Most times it's just an exercise I enjoy, the mountain itself is just the means to an end.

On the other hand I'm currently debating proposing to my girlfriend, she doesn't like hiking very much but does come with me occasionally.  I'm going to devise a scavenger hunt with the ring at the end, there will be hiking but that is just a distraction not the goal.

Originally posted by Velocinox

 

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Originally posted by Axehandle

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Originally posted by Velocinox

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Originally posted by Axehandle From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful

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The fact that you used the already accelerated WoW as opposed to the real grind EQ, immediately dilutes your sentiment.

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What's your point?   Because I didn't play EQ I'm not worthy of an opinion on leveling?   Are you the overseer on what members get to have opinions on?

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It means exactly what I said. You are already part of what started this whole accelerated trip to end game. When you complain about it to people who actually enjoyed a long levelling time before WoW came along and started the whole decent into MMORPG's with one month lifespans your opinion becomes less poignant.

It's like you kicked all the old MMORPGers dogs by jumping on the fast levelling WoW and then when even faster MMOs come along and yours gets kicked, you suddenly jump up and cry, "Why all the dog kicking?!?"

 

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Originally posted by Axehandle  
You might want to check your bias attitude at the door

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HAHAHAHA... Why? What are you going to if I don't? It's the internet!

 

Theres no reason to be a dick. His opinion is just as valid as you old school EQ fanboys. His sense of accomplishment is no different then yours.

Originally posted by Darth-Batman
Anyone whos ever done drugs will understand how this works, if not with their mind then with their body and videogames are no different in that way.

It's called "chasing the dragon," and you are absolutely right. You never get that high like you did the first time, but you never stop looking for it. Until you do.

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by ezpz77

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Axehandle

Remember the first time that you hit max level on some of the older mmorpg titles you felt so accomplished because the journey was epic. From my experience the first time I hit max level in wow I was thrilled to have achieved something so meaningful but now games like swtor the journey was just an obstacle to overcome and not really an enjoyable part of the experience. 

 

I want that feeling back in games. That pull factor that kept you logging on each day and playing for hours because your goal was to get a few more levels in and really immerse yourself in the world.

When you hike a mountain for 14 hours in harsh conditions and you finally get to the top you will feel accomplished.

If you get there on ropeway then you won't feel that way.

 

That depnds on what your previous experiences are with being on a mountain in harsh conditions. If you've never even gone hiking before, I imagine summiting a mountain in harsh conditions would feel like quite an accomplishment regardless of how you did it.

 and how many times you've summited a mountain, and/or that mountain and what your purpose in going to the summit is.

I hike a lot, summit probably 15-20 times a year.  While I enjoy it, I really don't get a feeling of accomplishment from doing it (generally, yes a new and very difficult mountain may do it, I imagine everest would do it :)  )   Most times it's just an exercise I enjoy, the mountain itself is just the means to an end.

On the other hand I'm currently debating proposing to my girlfriend, she doesn't like hiking very much but does come with me occasionally.  I'm going to devise a scavenger hunt with the ring at the end, there will be hiking but that is just a distraction not the goal.

When you marry her the second time she's going to be like "oh this grind again..."