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  Netspook

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Joined: 3/01/07
Posts: 1440

12/08/12 8:13:26 PM#41
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I love the Awnsers and the debate so far. the post with the true definition of clone was funny :) . I also like the post calling me names that shows total class and maturity keep it up bra. I remember when V1 came out and the community screamed WoW clone . Then ARR there screaming WoW clone . I'm glad we can finally decide what is or is not a WoW clone . But honesty exp parties with chains will be back weapon skill stacking . I do want to know to if it copies some modern mmo standards the WoW added I.e questing exp. Is that a bad thing ?

 

[mod edit] I haven't seen a single post where anyone called v1 a wow clone.

[mod edit]

  drivendawn

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Joined: 4/17/11
Posts: 968

12/08/12 8:32:31 PM#42
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I love the Awnsers and the debate so far. the post with the true definition of clone was funny :) . I also like the post calling me names that shows total class and maturity keep it up bra. I remember when V1 came out and the community screamed WoW clone . Then ARR there screaming WoW clone . I'm glad we can finally decide what is or is not a WoW clone . But honesty exp parties with chains will be back weapon skill stacking . I do want to know to if it copies some modern mmo standards the WoW added I.e questing exp. Is that a bad thing ?

 

This is a pathetic lie. I haven't seen a single post where anyone called v1 a wow clone.

No cred left.

Maybe not here in particular but i remember alot of my XI freinds and other say it kinda was just because XIV brought in the hotbar.  : /

  Vannor

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Joined: 8/11/03
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12/08/12 9:04:55 PM#43

DarknessReign.. I get that you are frustrated about the subject at hand but I'll give you some advice. If you really want to understand why people don't agree with what you are trying to say and you want to know more about other people's experience with WOW and how that relates to ARR.. you need to learn some netiquette.

In other words.. be the bigger person. Even the trollers, insulters and flamers will at least respect your posts if you keep your cool. They won't say they will, but they will. There is a lot more chance you'll get your point across if you are consistently polite most of the time, even when you feel you are being insulted. As soon as someone reads an insult in a reply to them, all they do is reply to that insult.. everything else you said means nothing to them. You are doing it with their replies to you and they are doing it with your replies to them.

  Netspook

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Posts: 1440

12/08/12 9:35:11 PM#44
Originally posted by drivendawn
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I love the Awnsers and the debate so far. the post with the true definition of clone was funny :) . I also like the post calling me names that shows total class and maturity keep it up bra. I remember when V1 came out and the community screamed WoW clone . Then ARR there screaming WoW clone . I'm glad we can finally decide what is or is not a WoW clone . But honesty exp parties with chains will be back weapon skill stacking . I do want to know to if it copies some modern mmo standards the WoW added I.e questing exp. Is that a bad thing ?

 

This is a pathetic lie. I haven't seen a single post where anyone called v1 a wow clone.

No cred left.

Maybe not here in particular but i remember alot of my XI freinds and other say it kinda was just because XIV brought in the hotbar.  : /

 

Huh? So your friends called v1 a wow clone, just because it had a hotbar? In other words, thousands of games in almost every genre are wow clones, according to your friends. Lmfao.

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

12/08/12 9:40:43 PM#45
Originally posted by DarknessReign
[mod edit]

So you are attacking an invisible audience and then you hope they reply?

And I like how you imply they are immature by asking "how old are you" as one of the questions.

Talk about a bunch of loaded questions by an angry fan.  We get it, you for some reason like the game.  Have you seen the new videos?  Have you seen how the quests are kill 6 bees?  Name a fina fantasy that had you kill 5 of anything... OH right there isn't one.

This is a wow clone, deal with it.

P.S.  You can see ages by looking at profiles if you REALLY are hellbent on aruging that only kiddies call things wow clones.

  zanfire

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Joined: 11/19/06
Posts: 793

12/08/12 9:43:39 PM#46
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by drivendawn
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I love the Awnsers and the debate so far. the post with the true definition of clone was funny :) . I also like the post calling me names that shows total class and maturity keep it up bra. I remember when V1 came out and the community screamed WoW clone . Then ARR there screaming WoW clone . I'm glad we can finally decide what is or is not a WoW clone . But honesty exp parties with chains will be back weapon skill stacking . I do want to know to if it copies some modern mmo standards the WoW added I.e questing exp. Is that a bad thing ?

 

This is a pathetic lie. I haven't seen a single post where anyone called v1 a wow clone.

No cred left.

Maybe not here in particular but i remember alot of my XI freinds and other say it kinda was just because XIV brought in the hotbar.  : /

 

Huh? So your friends called v1 a wow clone, just because it had a hotbar? In other words, thousands of games in almost every genre are wow clones, according to your friends. Lmfao.

i was in from the start of V1 (beta) and i went on multiple forums, including the later added offical forums and i never saw this. I saw tons of bitching about how it sucks (did my share), but i dont remember a single thing about a WoW clone.

This version is being build on the "standard" that WoW set, which makes me and what seems to be plenty of others thing its gonna be another game thats a lot like WoW and burns to the ground. I loved many years of FFXI, and a majority of the people who went to 14 wanted it to be something similar to it, but it wasnt, and now this is seemingly going even further from it.

  Netspook

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Joined: 3/01/07
Posts: 1440

12/08/12 9:48:23 PM#47
Originally posted by zanfire
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by drivendawn
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I love the Awnsers and the debate so far. the post with the true definition of clone was funny :) . I also like the post calling me names that shows total class and maturity keep it up bra. I remember when V1 came out and the community screamed WoW clone . Then ARR there screaming WoW clone . I'm glad we can finally decide what is or is not a WoW clone . But honesty exp parties with chains will be back weapon skill stacking . I do want to know to if it copies some modern mmo standards the WoW added I.e questing exp. Is that a bad thing ?

 

This is a pathetic lie. I haven't seen a single post where anyone called v1 a wow clone.

No cred left.

Maybe not here in particular but i remember alot of my XI freinds and other say it kinda was just because XIV brought in the hotbar.  : /

 

Huh? So your friends called v1 a wow clone, just because it had a hotbar? In other words, thousands of games in almost every genre are wow clones, according to your friends. Lmfao.

i was in from the start of V1 (beta) and i went on multiple forums, including the later added offical forums and i never saw this. I saw tons of bitching about how it sucks (did my share), but i dont remember a single thing about a WoW clone.

This version is being build on the "standard" that WoW set, which makes me and what seems to be plenty of others thing its gonna be another game thats a lot like WoW and burns to the ground. I loved many years of FFXI, and a majority of the people who went to 14 wanted it to be something similar to it, but it wasnt, and now this is seemingly going even further from it.

 

Yes, ARR may become a wow clone, there are some indicators to that. But v1 never was.

  Amphib_Ian

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Joined: 1/24/11
Posts: 171

Fools fear nothing yet claim to know everything. Bravery is knowing everything yet fearing nothing.

12/08/12 9:55:02 PM#48
Originally posted by DarknessReign

People Are calling this a WoW clone . So i want to ask HOW is it a clone ? In detail please.

I Have some Questions that people can awnser PLEASE BE HONEST!

Question one Did you ever play FFXI and for how long?

Question two Did you play V1 of FFXIV and for how long?

Question three Did you play WoW and for how long?

Question four Be specific what aspects of FFXIV:ARR are like WoW ?

Question five Define what a "clone" is?

Question six What specific aspects are like FFXI if any ?

Question seven Do you think it is fair to pass judgement on a game that is only in a alpha build?

Question eight On a scale of one to ten rate your excitement to play ARR?

Question nine Are you a Hard Core gamer or a casual one ?

Question ten How old are you ?

 

 

1. yes, off and on from launch day for about a year. not solo friendly at the time so stopped.

2. yes, in the beta, i saw that titanic on a direct coarse for an iceberg and jumped ship to get me money back for pre-order LMAO

3. yes, since launch day off and on for about ... everything until pandaland, don't give a **** bout pandas, monks, pokemon ripoffs

4. i wish i KNEW, all i've seen is what the head of development for FF14 2.0 said "Yoshida: One of the reasons why Final Fantasy XI was so successful was that the whole development team went and played Everquest and they thought “Okay, we want to do exactly what they did with Final Fantasy XI!” You know there were times

where you couldn’t contact any of them because of how much they played *laughs*, but because they did that they had a direction. One of the problems with Final Fantasy XIV was that there wasn’t that direction, they didn’t know what the standard was and they never played World of Warcraft, they didn’t know enough and because they didn’t know enough they couldn’t build something up to the standards of current MMOs. Plus when they started creating Final Fantasy XI there was Final Fantasy X that strongly influenced them.

With Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn we don’t want to create many new things, we first want to start of getting this global standard and then adding that Final Fantasy feel. We want to get the crystal tower in and the gold soucer to get that epic Final Fantasy feeling."
 
5. a clone in this instance means a new IP is taking so many ideas from an existing IP that one may as well consider just playing the product being mimicked than the new product simply because it is older and thus more polished with more content. Now, any MMO worth a hill of beans knows that it is smart to take good ideas that work and use them, hense why FF14 1.0 failed SO HARD!  However, some MMO players draw an invisible, unspoken, undefined line in the sand where they see a product as copying TOO much, despite the quality or practicality of what is being copied. They fail to realize that a wheel can only be reinvented so many times, but whatever.
 
6. Now having played both FF11 and FF14 (even if not very much) i can say that the differences between 11 and 14 1.0 were not tremendous, yet a lot of the great decisions made for 11 (ideas admittedly taken from EQ1) were not carried forward into 14. But then, the people that made 14 1.0 had never played an MMO in their lives, including FF11, so they really had no idea what there even was to copy it would seem.
 
7. Sort of. You can see a lot from Alpha, such as the primary direction of the game, and information leaked and presented. Knowing that Square is in xtreme financial duress it is obvious that they cannot shift their direction for the game dramatically because everything is riding on this. If 14 2.0 fails then that's it. the literal FINAL fantasy.
 
8. no.
 
9. both, simultaneously. i have a life, i don't get payed to game. i have a career, a family, social life. i don't spend every waking hour gaming or thinking about gaming. but when i get into a game, i get into it. at the same time i can only likely play it casually.
 
10. A/S/L LOL?!?!  i'm 27. not sure how this is important. 18 year olds have just as much to say as 41 year olds and their opinions are just as valid because their money (and/or their parent's money) is every bit as influential as yours or mine.
 
 
I would like to see FF14 2.0 succeed. for the sake of a company i used to admire and respect, and because for god's sake i wanted to like both 11 and 14 1.0 a lot and was dissappointed in not just square but myself for that not happening. i've herd (by watching a retro gaming video here on MMORPG.com a couple weeks ago that was talking about the newest FF11 expansion coming out next year) that you can now solo in FF11 to max level in like, a couple days. But it is sooooo too little too late for that as the game is old as crap, did not age well (ps1 graphx FTW), and no one plays anymore. Using WoW as the model for FF14 is never something people on these forums wants to here but seems sound from the perspective of a developer trying to please shareholders. It IS the most successful MMO in history. People here just want something new. cause they are content locusts. And they smell. Yet many an mmo has copied wow and still failed miserably so it is no guarentee.

  zevni78

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12/08/12 9:56:16 PM#49

 

Man this thread is depressing.

 

I don't think there is any point in talking about this anymore, people have made their minds up. I just hope enough try ARR at launch and enjoy it for the game to survive.

 

If it means anything, ARR isn't a WoW clone, that is an over simplification, it is a standard western style fantasy thempark mmo, which it needs to be to have broader, safer, appeal given its budget. It has its own flavour which some will like, and some features that are interesting, when you get deeper into it. Alterholics will love the armoury, and crafters may enjoy the attention they get.

 

That is as balanced a summation as you will get here. 

  Draron

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12/08/12 9:57:33 PM#50

To be honest, everyone here that saying XIV 2.0 is a WoW clone is delusional or lying. It still has gathering and crafting classes, Chocobo Raising, and storylines (not quest chains).

But ever since Yoshi-P took over, he has been making it more like the "generic" MMO model we see often. Removing the stamina bar, the /check system to gauge enemy strength, letting NPC's repair gear to 99% are just examples I can name off the top of my head.

And 2.0 looks to further the trend to a point I'm cautious on even playing it. When I was watching the latest gameplay video that showed off the typical questing system and reading the interview where Yoshi-P said they have a lot to learn from the modern MMO leveling system I literally thought to myself "Why?".

Is it a WoW clone? No. Is it becoming more and more like WoW while putting it's own "spin" on the game just like most MMO's try to do now? Yes.

  drivendawn

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12/08/12 10:00:03 PM#51
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by zanfire
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by drivendawn
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I love the Awnsers and the debate so far. the post with the true definition of clone was funny :) . I also like the post calling me names that shows total class and maturity keep it up bra. I remember when V1 came out and the community screamed WoW clone . Then ARR there screaming WoW clone . I'm glad we can finally decide what is or is not a WoW clone . But honesty exp parties with chains will be back weapon skill stacking . I do want to know to if it copies some modern mmo standards the WoW added I.e questing exp. Is that a bad thing ?

 

This is a pathetic lie. I haven't seen a single post where anyone called v1 a wow clone.

No cred left.

Maybe not here in particular but i remember alot of my XI freinds and other say it kinda was just because XIV brought in the hotbar.  : /

 

Huh? So your friends called v1 a wow clone, just because it had a hotbar? In other words, thousands of games in almost every genre are wow clones, according to your friends. Lmfao.

i was in from the start of V1 (beta) and i went on multiple forums, including the later added offical forums and i never saw this. I saw tons of bitching about how it sucks (did my share), but i dont remember a single thing about a WoW clone.

This version is being build on the "standard" that WoW set, which makes me and what seems to be plenty of others thing its gonna be another game thats a lot like WoW and burns to the ground. I loved many years of FFXI, and a majority of the people who went to 14 wanted it to be something similar to it, but it wasnt, and now this is seemingly going even further from it.

 

Yes, ARR may become a wow clone, there are some indicators to that. But v1 never was.

Lol, I thought it was silly too.  Most people on alpha are loving most of the changes so far. There are some tweaks and things to be made not sayin there aint but looking good so far.  

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12/08/12 10:00:17 PM#52
Originally posted by DarknessReign

People Are calling this a WoW clone . So i want to ask HOW is it a clone ? In detail please.

I Have some Questions that people can awnser PLEASE BE HONEST!

Question one Did you ever play FFXI and for how long?

Question two Did you play V1 of FFXIV and for how long?

Question three Did you play WoW and for how long?

Question four Be specific what aspects of FFXIV:ARR are like WoW ?

Question five Define what a "clone" is?

Question six What specific aspects are like FFXI if any ?

Question seven Do you think it is fair to pass judgement on a game that is only in a alpha build?

Question eight On a scale of one to ten rate your excitement to play ARR?

Question nine Are you a Hard Core gamer or a casual one ?

Question ten How old are you ?

 

 

1.  Yes. About five years. I played until ToAU was released and quit for about a year. Then I came back for about a year.

2. Yes. I played the initial release for a couple months. Then I played it for a couple months right before the servers shut down.

3. Yes. I probably played it for four months.

4. Short ladder to the top. End game focused. Being led by the nose from point to point. Heavy use of instances. Increased number of hybrids. Race is insignificant in terms of how you play, ie stats are basically the same. Monsters are incredibly easy to kill.

5. If we are sticking to the dictionary definition of the word then the word clone is a bad choice. The point is that a "WoW clone" is a game that doesn't dare to be different to any significant degree.

6. I donm't know what this question means.

7. Six years ago I would have answer no to this question. Everyone knows that 90% of the games released either fail or are only playable for a few months. With the kind of games I see being released over and over it makes game quality very predictable.

8. 2

9. I don't know what this means either. Time spent gaming? Quality of games? Pickiness? What?

10. 28

  drivendawn

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12/08/12 10:16:46 PM#53
Originally posted by zevni78

 

Man this thread is depressing.

 

I don't think there is any point in talking about this anymore, people have made their minds up. I just hope enough try ARR at launch and enjoy it for the game to survive.

 

If it means anything, ARR isn't a WoW clone, that is an over simplification, it is a standard western style fantasy thempark mmo, which it needs to be to have broader, safer, appeal given its budget. It has its own flavour which some will like, and some features that are interesting, when you get deeper into it. Alterholics will love the armoury, and crafters may enjoy the attention they get.

 

That is as balanced a summation as you will get here. 

I'll agree with this and im done.

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OP  12/08/12 10:21:36 PM#54
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by DarknessReign
I love the Awnsers and the debate so far. the post with the true definition of clone was funny :) . I also like the post calling me names that shows total class and maturity keep it up bra. I remember when V1 came out and the community screamed WoW clone . Then ARR there screaming WoW clone . I'm glad we can finally decide what is or is not a WoW clone . But honesty exp parties with chains will be back weapon skill stacking . I do want to know to if it copies some modern mmo standards the WoW added I.e questing exp. Is that a bad thing ?

 

This is a pathetic lie. I haven't seen a single post where anyone called v1 a wow clone.

No cred left.

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http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4838581#4838581

As for the FFXIV V1 a WoW clone compairing Beta V1 with Alpha V2 Just before the game Ended people were talking about how much it was starting to feel like WoW

 

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12/08/12 10:22:14 PM#55
Originally posted by drivendawn
Originally posted by zevni78

 

Man this thread is depressing.

 

I don't think there is any point in talking about this anymore, people have made their minds up. I just hope enough try ARR at launch and enjoy it for the game to survive.

 

If it means anything, ARR isn't a WoW clone, that is an over simplification, it is a standard western style fantasy thempark mmo, which it needs to be to have broader, safer, appeal given its budget. It has its own flavour which some will like, and some features that are interesting, when you get deeper into it. Alterholics will love the armoury, and crafters may enjoy the attention they get.

 

That is as balanced a summation as you will get here. 

I'll agree with this and im done.

A standard western style themepark MMO is a wow clone. Only minor things change from game to game so that the WoW adventure can continue indefinitely. You have to play a themepark that was developed before WoW to see the difference. Unfortunately most of those have now been patched to be more WoW like.

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12/08/12 10:32:56 PM#56

Hi DarknessReign,

 

I have played all of FFXI, FFXIV v1, and WoW a lot, although not recently for any of them.  I am also mid-40s and older than you and am married and have a few kids, although I am not sure why that is relevant and you asked it.  I also have a registration date a lot earlier than you so am not a "newcomer" unlike you.

 

It does sound like they are basically making FFXIV:ARR a WoW clone with a FF veneer.  So be it.  The WoW engine means it will be a solid game.  The FF veneer means it will appeal to a lot of people.  Don't underestimate the importance of a veneer:  people tend to do what they do for stylistic reasons more than anything else.

 

I am looking forward to it and will give it a chance.

 

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12/08/12 10:45:12 PM#57
Originally posted by Magiknight

A standard western style themepark MMO is a wow clone. Only minor things change from game to game so that the WoW adventure can continue indefinitely. You have to play a themepark that was developed before WoW to see the difference. Unfortunately most of those have now been patched to be more WoW like.

 

That is still an over-simplification, yes WoW typifies the standard model, but due to it being derived from mmos before and "borrowing" ideas after, it reflects the zeitgeist, and ARR has to too. Yes Yoshida has put in elements that will remind many people of WoW, but that is only due to so many more having played it, and not much else. After playing a great many western mmos ARR looks more like 1,0 mixed with a generic quest mechanic, not WoW in particular. (semantics a little bit I admit)

 

I did play many mmos before WoW, they had features I miss, and many I don’t, WoW was considerably less of a hassle, and it’s hard to go backwards. Playing FFXIV 1.0 made you miss basic features we now take for granted. ARR needs to provide common ground,  the quest hubs it now has are for the starting class you pick, the rest will be using leves, grinding, and dungeons, just as 1.0, giving it an older mmo feel. In many ways ARR reminds me more of Ragnarok  in its atmosphere, classes given their own areas and stories, lack of quests (eventually) and the crafting.

 

I cannot wait for this period to end, people judging the game via NDA leaks and a few mins of footage is pissing me off, and I wish I was free to really respond.

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OP  12/08/12 10:47:46 PM#58
Originally posted by nennafir

Hi DarknessReign,

 

I have played all of FFXI, FFXIV v1, and WoW a lot, although not recently for any of them.  I am also mid-40s and older than you and am married and have a few kids, although I am not sure why that is relevant and you asked it.  I also have a registration date a lot earlier than you so am not a "newcomer" unlike you.

 

It does sound like they are basically making FFXIV:ARR a WoW clone with a FF veneer.  So be it.  The WoW engine means it will be a solid game.  The FF veneer means it will appeal to a lot of people.  Don't underestimate the importance of a veneer:  people tend to do what they do for stylistic reasons more than anything else.

 

I am looking forward to it and will give it a chance.

 

One of meany honest awnsers . The reason why i asked the Age question is because if someone who is say 20 and played WoW from day 1 that would make them 12 when they started or if someone started FFXI from day one at the same age it would make them 10 its a way to see how honest they are . Things from 10~12 years in age might seem Bigger or smaller then they really were . And i would agree with you. Its ok to copy somethings like WoW it is after all the biggest MMO . And is what players in NA are used to. Just as long as its not a total Copy witch i dont think it will be.

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12/08/12 10:52:21 PM#59
Originally posted by nennafir

 

 

It does sound like they are basically making FFXIV:ARR a WoW clone with a FF veneer.  So be it.  The WoW engine means it will be a solid game.  The FF veneer means it will appeal to a lot of people.  Don't underestimate the importance of a veneer:  people tend to do what they do for stylistic reasons more than anything else.

 

 

Actually the veneer, (though fairly thick at first) are the WoW elements, true the UI and combat are a big permanent change, but the questing hub game play is finite, and there are a lot of classes to lvl with the armoury system, that is why leves from 1.0 and exp chains from FFXI will become more important the longer you play, until it won't feel remotely like WoW, (providing they get endgame combat right).

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12/08/12 10:59:33 PM#60
Originally posted by zevni78
Originally posted by nennafir

 

 

It does sound like they are basically making FFXIV:ARR a WoW clone with a FF veneer.  So be it.  The WoW engine means it will be a solid game.  The FF veneer means it will appeal to a lot of people.  Don't underestimate the importance of a veneer:  people tend to do what they do for stylistic reasons more than anything else.

 

 

Actually the veneer, (though fairly thick at first) are the WoW elements, true the UI and combat are a big permanent change, but the questing hub game play is finite, and there are a lot of classes to lvl with the armoury system, that is why leves from 1.0 and exp chains from FFXI will become more important the longer you play, until it won't feel remotely like WoW, (providing they get endgame combat right).

I can't think of anything worse than levees.  What is the maximum exp chain you can get? I bet they are ultra fast and nonstop. I bet every class is just as playable for each race.

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