Originally posted by XxGrimmxX

Originally posted by Heretique

EvE is a great game but was never too fond of "being" the ship. They are working on the separation as you can actually make an avatar now but I like being on land with Darkfall.

Can't make the decision for you. They are both solid games IMO.

They abandoned the avatar idea btw. 

Nope not completely abandoned....shelved while they fix the stuff they should have done already in the game as it. I guess end 2013 they will start working on it again myself.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by xenomonk6

Originally posted by Sytek_88

eve career flow chart

 

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

99% of eve can be chocked up to mostly rehashed gameplay anyways all with the same means to and end, while letting your ship avatar roam around and play the game for you.

This game is absolutely terrible requires no skill and basically allows any newb to just walk in and play space ships, they try to talk big about how their systems are ground breaking but you can't even actually play the game, you click some really over elaborate UI menus then you click some other things that allow your ship to automatically play itself.

The game is boring and redundant and if you actually read this "career flow chart" you can see that more than 90% of the things could be consolidated under the same category or have already been done better in another game.

This game will always have hardcore fanboys with its ease of use and f2p model, to try and downplay darkfall unholy wars is sad as it will blow this shit game out of the water, but ya you're right eve is free... For a reason, go try it you'll be back soon!

Never knew eve was free.  You're an odd duck.

Also even if you get rid of most things on that chart, there's still more things to do or experience in EVE than Darkfall.  If you get rid of like 1 thing to do in darkfall, there goes a third of the value lol

 

as I said though, easiest way for OP is to try it using the free trial that CCP offers with EVE.

Make his own determination.

And then try Darkfall... whenever it gets released (lol)

Does darkfall unholy wars have its own website even?  Or an offical release date on a website owned by the company making it?  I mean, I know they do have a release date on their blog but according to that, Darkfall Unholy Wars came out 17 days ago... lol

But yeah, at least try darkfall whenever they get around to releasing it, or releasing the release date.  Hopefully in the next couple months at least one of those will happen.

lol lol ?

Ive tried EvE Online sevaral times because i wanted it to work for me personally. It never did.

EvE online has a lot of good features, but mentioning all carebear features you can do when comparing it to FFA PvP game like Darkfall 2 is a waste of time. When it comes down to it the only thing that matters are if you like EvE pvp or Darkfall pvp.

For me its 2 different games that offer FFA pvp on different terms. I personally dont like beeing a spaceship, it just dont do it for me. I also feel its less skill based combat than sword/shield/fireball mmo's. 

Originally posted by Robokapp
i'd rather be a space ship than an armor...

A good thing that it works for you, i personally found it boring.

Nothing like having a 1 vs 1 up close and personal, or storming a castle with a huge army at your side.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by xenomonk6

Originally posted by Sytek_88
 

 

Yeah, Darkfall is pretty hard for people, especially when it comes to PVP.  The reason?  It's hard to kill another player when you're the only dude logged in.  It was a ghost town, the devs had an "OH SH--" moment of wondering what to do so they don't go bankrupt, and came up with the idea to patch a few bugs and NGE some classes into it and call it a new game.  How very HARDCORE of them to do so.  The game failed.  This relaunch is sad because it gives false hope.

Also when you are referring to EVE as a WoW clone... well let me just say I hope your reasoning isn't representative of the Darkfall community or in any way related to the reasoning ability of future generations of mankind.  I fear for our species otherwise.

I gather you have extensive experience in Darkfall, given you are talking about it so much.

@OP, whilst both have "teh hardcore pvp" and both are sandbox mmos to one extent or another. They are extremely different games. I've played and enjoyed both and they are quite, quite different.

EVE offers an amazing sandbox/meta game experience with an insane amount of depth and a stable sized community. It's pacing, combat, ship confinement (for the main part) and other features may though put you off.

Darkfall offers fast paced, intense combat in a more traditional (but quite amazing) world environment. It offers sandbox/metagame features but to no where near the extent of EVE (no game does really). It will probably also have a less stable sized community than EVE (although that is conjecture).

Both will offer plenty for you to do outside of the supposed core aspect of the game (regardless as to what trolls will tell you). That is if Unholy Wars is similar to Darkfall of course.

Darkfall will provide the aspects you want (those in the OP), but EVE takes them to another level, with the drawback (for some) being factors like pacing and combat.

If you don't mind playing the longer term game, don't mind "being" a ship and don't mind slower pacing, than EVE will offer more. If you have interest in a more traditional game world type setting and an interest in action combat (as well as tradtional sandbx trappings), then Darkfall will probably be a better fit.

In all honesty the best I can suggest is that you try both and see which one feels a better fit. But both are games which require you to stick around and give them a chance for you to see their potential.

PS both games have members of the community which are total arseholes. Both have members of the community which are nice people. Just like any other game, the difference is both EVE and Darkfall seem to have more ardent support from within their respective communities because the players stick with and commit to the games.

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by xenomonk6

Originally posted by Sytek_88
 

 

Yeah, Darkfall is pretty hard for people, especially when it comes to PVP.  The reason?  It's hard to kill another player when you're the only dude logged in.  It was a ghost town, the devs had an "OH SH--" moment of wondering what to do so they don't go bankrupt, and came up with the idea to patch a few bugs and NGE some classes into it and call it a new game.  How very HARDCORE of them to do so.  The game failed.  This relaunch is sad because it gives false hope.

Also when you are referring to EVE as a WoW clone... well let me just say I hope your reasoning isn't representative of the Darkfall community or in any way related to the reasoning ability of future generations of mankind.  I fear for our species otherwise.

I gather you have extensive experience in Darkfall, given you are talking about it so much.

 

@OP, whilst both have "teh hardcore pvp" and both are sandbox mmos to one extent or another. They are extremely different games. I've played and enjoyed both and they are quite, quite different.

 

EVE offers an amazing sandbox/meta game experience with an insane amount of depth and a stable sized community. It's pacing, combat, ship confinement (for the main part) and other features may though put you off.

Darkfall offers fast paced, intense combat in a more traditional (but quite amazing) world environment. It offers sandbox/metagame features but to no where near the extent of EVE (no game does really). It will probably also have a less stable sized community than EVE (although that is conjecture).

 

Both will offer plenty for you to do outside of the supposed core aspect of the game (regardless as to what trolls will tell you). That is if Unholy Wars is similar to Darkfall of course.

 

Darkfall will provide the aspects you want (those in the OP), but EVE takes them to another level, with the drawback (for some) being factors like pacing and combat.

 

If you don't mind playing the longer term game, don't mind "being" a ship and don't mind slower pacing, than EVE will offer more. If you have interest in a more traditional game world type setting and an interest in action combat (as well as tradtional sandbx trappings), then Darkfall will probably be a better fit.

 

In all honesty the best I can suggest is that you try both and see which one feels a better fit. But both are games which require you to stick around and give them a chance for you to see their potential.

 

PS both games have members of the community which are total arseholes. Both have members of the community which are nice people. Just like any other game, the difference is both EVE and Darkfall seem to have more ardent support from within their respective communities because the players stick with and commit to the games.

Good post and good advice.

The only thing i would like to add is that DF2 offers a new start in a new world.

Originally posted by xenomonk6

Originally posted by Sytek_88

eve career flow chart

 

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

99% of eve can be chocked up to mostly rehashed gameplay anyways all with the same means to and end, while letting your ship avatar roam around and play the game for you.

This game is absolutely terrible requires no skill and basically allows any newb to just walk in and play space ships, they try to talk big about how their systems are ground breaking but you can't even actually play the game, you click some really over elaborate UI menus then you click some other things that allow your ship to automatically play itself.

The game is boring and redundant and if you actually read this "career flow chart" you can see that more than 90% of the things could be consolidated under the same category or have already been done better in another game.

This game will always have hardcore fanboys with its ease of use and f2p model, to try and downplay darkfall unholy wars is sad as it will blow this shit game out of the water, but ya you're right eve is free... For a reason, go try it you'll be back soon!

Wow you have NEVER played eve have you.. No skill? REally? You are hillarious

Originally posted by kadepsyson

 I've never heard of anyone "playing the market" for example, in Darkfall.

100% wrong darkfall had pure traders that never killed a single mob ingame( i can think of one) there were several others who spend one month PvEing and started trading for the rest of there career with vendors.

EvE is a more complex game but don't forget it is basicly a Excel Spreadsheet while Darkfall offers direct character control in a fantasy world.

The main goal for darkfall is to gain power, to control ressources however it has not the complex mechanics of EvE.

What i would usggest you is to try out the free trail for EvE Online and see if you like it and if not you can buy Darkfall next week because there won't be any trials

Originally posted by Niburu

Originally posted by kadepsyson

 I've never heard of anyone "playing the market" for example, in Darkfall.

100% wrong darkfall had pure traders that never killed a single mob ingame( i can think of one) there were several others who spend one month PvEing and started trading for the rest of there career with vendors.

 

 

EvE is a more complex game but don't forget it is basicly a Excel Spreadsheet while Darkfall offers direct character control in a fantasy world.

The main goal for darkfall is to gain power, to control ressources however it has not the complex mechanics of EvE.

 

 

What i would usggest you is to try out the free trail for EvE Online and see if you like it and if not you can buy Darkfall next week because there won't be any trials

I can't say that is a great selling point, since I'm disgusted already with how dumbed down the whole MMORPG industry has become, when compared to complex games of the past I loved.

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Originally posted by Niburu

100% wrong darkfall had pure traders that never killed a single mob ingame( i can think of one) there were several others who spend one month PvEing and started trading for the rest of there career with vendors.

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That is like pretending you closet being a Carnegie Hall because you happen to be singing there once in a while.

There is no market nor economy in DF to speak of...

Originally posted by Karteli

I can't say that is a great selling point, since I'm disgusted already with how dumbed down the whole MMORPG industry has become, when compared to complex games of the past I loved.

Not as complex as EvE is like 95% of the games out there. Darkfall is still way more complex and hardcore and based on player actions than the AAA game generation of today

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Niburu

100% wrong darkfall had pure traders that never killed a single mob ingame( i can think of one) there were several others who spend one month PvEing and started trading for the rest of there career with vendors.

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That is like pretending you closet being a Carnegie Hall because you happen to be singing there once in a while.

There is no market nor economy in DF to speak of...

Darkfall: UW will offer a local market system but not a t launch. Also vendors for you house was a great fun to trade in DF.

Ressources were always important in DF but dedicatet traders could tell you more about that topic.

Still not the level of EvE ofc

one of my biggest issues i had with EVE was that the world is tiny, i mean really small. just a small box. a small box with 4 doors and you dont need to even explore most of that small box because there is nothing there except ...space.

unless ofc you fall for the illusion of the new wall paper on the walls of the box after you open and close a door. then the world is huge! plus click and go plus it sucks the escence of life out of your body while playing.

Looks cool though,

DF:UW ftw everytime for people who still have a pulse.

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Originally posted by Niburu

Still not the level of EvE ofc

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...not even a level of LOTRO.

DF crafting is just a pointless gimmick with no substance.

Eve will get you much more.

They both have subs.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Niburu

Still not the level of EvE ofc

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...not even a level of LOTRO.

DF crafting is just a pointless gimmick with no substance.

My sides.

2 completely different games.

EvE is all about the long haul, the Isk making, the slow ammasing of wealth/knowledge/connections/power. there is very little instant gratification in EvE. everything takes time, planning, risk assesment, dedication.

DF is a very large arena with some sandbox features. its all about the pvp combat. the end level game is....pvp combat. 

Originally posted by hockeyplayr

So I bought tsw on sale played for about an hour and disliked it and decided to move on.  As an ex runescaper (pre 2006 era) do you think I would enjoy EVE online or the new Darkfall game coming out?  I was always one to pretty much merchant goods, stake, pk, and basically socialize.  Never really grinded skills unless needed for one of the above (logged in over a years worth of hours and was only level 114/126 when I quit).

Anyone who plays eve and is following darkfall or has played the old DF as well as EVE have any insight into this.  I tried EVE a couple years ago but I just felt so detached just flying around in a ship and honestly I got lost somewhere in space and just gave up (was still playing rs at the time so it wasn't a big deal)

Thanks,

Brian

The only thing I would say is that you'll need to give EVE a lot longer than an hour. But the trials are still free.

If you try and play EVE like some easy-access masively singleplayer grinder, you'll have the same experience you did last time. You have to really engage with it, get involved and immerse yourself in findout how things work and the way things are. If that sounds too involved and intense for you then it's probably not your bag.