Trending Games | World of Warcraft | Elder Scrolls Online | EverQuest | Guild Wars 2

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,905,769 Users Online:0
Games:757  Posts:6,296,359
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » What happened to the Sandbox PvP?

2 Pages 1 2 » Search
38 posts found
  Haxzon

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/22/10
Posts: 1

You just won't ever understand!

 
OP  12/07/12 4:56:28 PM#1

I have searched and searched for a mmorpg that would peak my interest again. It seems i just keep hoping for something that just wont be there ever again.

 

The "No Holds-Barred, stomach in knots, kill first ask questions later" kind of game... I'm not saying FPS. I'm saying MMORPG. The kind of game where you and the other players ARE the world.  The world where you have to have scouts while leveling so you dont get ambushed by other players and loot stolen. And after a long day of solo PKing or reaching your next conquest... you wonder on home to the city, castle, town, but not just any town... The town that you and your guild placed and built from the ground up! The one that you defend, nurture, love. And as long as your walls stand... your only real safehaven.

 

Yes, folks, I'm talking about a real Sandbox PvP. No Carebears allowed.  Something like Shadowbane!

 

I have played many mmorpg dating all the way back to UO and EQ... and many styles since but it seems no game has ever really peaked my interest until the game that stripped the boring quests and carebeared Anime content for the casual PvE player... and just went for it. Gave the world to the players. Yes it had its flaws, the game engine sucked, certain characters got nerfed because of the carebears (ie : a thief class was really a thief and could take the money right out of your pocket and be gone before you know it...) If you died, your inventory (not your equipped items) was fair game! I'm just saying I miss this game and truly believe with the new technology a game of this nature would thrive and prosper.

 

Where's my Sandbox! I wanna play?

 

What do you think? Anyone else longing for this? Or are you happy with how the mmorpg worlds are now?

I miss Shadowbane

  nariusseldon

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20237

12/07/12 5:00:31 PM#2
Originally posted by Haxzon

What do you think? Anyone else longing for this? Or are you happy with how the mmorpg worlds are now?

No i am not longing for this. In fact, i won't touch it wth a ten foot pole. I would much prefer e-sport arena in a pve centric MMO, or something like a MMOFPS like PS2 where there is only world pvp.

I don't like my pve & pvp mixing.

  L0C0Man

Elite Member

Joined: 1/30/09
Posts: 953

12/07/12 5:15:08 PM#3

What happened to sandbox PvP?... Trammel happened (note that this is mostle second hand information, I never played UO but have several friends that were heavily into it back then)

Trammel was introduced and players that preferred to play PvE found out they were having more fun without having their money and loot stolen, being able to actually explore the world without fear of getting killed and looted, and turned out that those were most of the players in the game.

And well, your sandbox is right over there, it's called EVE, and has some cousins like Mortal Online that you can play right now.. :)

What can men do against such reckless hate?

  Yalexy

Novice Member

Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 1039

12/07/12 5:16:27 PM#4

Pure PvP-MMOs don't work too well, as the playerbase for such kind of a MMO is simply too small to support it or because the studios that go with that approach are simply bad and cannot fix their broken stuff fast enough.

Darfall, Mortal Online, Earthrise... all failed because of both these reasons.

EvE on the other hand survived, because allthough it's based on PvP offers alot of safe PvE-actrivities to do and has a committed developer.

So, here I'm waiting for a good MMO with a good balance between open world PvP and PvE released by a decent developer. Maybe ArcheAge will deliver some two years down the road, but until then there's nothing on the horizon peaking my interest.

  fenistil

Novice Member

Joined: 9/22/11
Posts: 3016

12/07/12 6:03:37 PM#5
Originally posted by Yalexy
Maybe ArcheAge will deliver some two years down the road, but until then there's nothing on the horizon peaking my interest.

AA has potential to be nice good game, BUT it is not pure sandbox. FAR from it.   It has very big themepark parts.   So it is something similar to hmm Fallen Earth with few more sandbox features and bit bigger budget? Or Lineage II mixed with Vanilla WoW and some UO features.

 

-----------

 

On topic:

Never was big on pvp in sandbox mmorpg's.  I did not mind bit of danger and even some pvp action, but most of the time I was playing for PvE, Economy, Cooperation and Crafting when playing UO.   So solution similar to EVE, but even more catrered to non-pvp with aound 70% of land without PVP and only 20-30% with pvp allowed would be perfect for me.

  Kiljaedenas

Novice Member

Joined: 7/29/11
Posts: 467

To err is human, but to really f*ck things up you need a computer.

12/07/12 6:11:46 PM#6
Originally posted by L0C0Man

What happened to sandbox PvP?... Trammel happened (note that this is mostle second hand information, I never played UO but have several friends that were heavily into it back then)

Trammel was introduced and players that preferred to play PvE found out they were having more fun without having their money and loot stolen, being able to actually explore the world without fear of getting killed and looted, and turned out that those were most of the players in the game.

And well, your sandbox is right over there, it's called EVE, and has some cousins like Mortal Online that you can play right now.. :)

Damn, beat me to it :). I was gonna say "Have you tried Eve yet"?

Go play Eve and get yourself into Nullsec. You should find what you're looking for.

Where's the any key?

  Madimorga

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/26/10
Posts: 2012

12/07/12 6:24:38 PM#7

Oh my.  Such a sweet little optimist.  Where your guildies got your back, even if you never met a one of them in real life.  Oh wow, this attitude is so foreign to the reality I don't even know where to start.

 

You want the old days, poor thing.  But the old days are gone and dead.  The reality is more like Eve, you can't trust anyone or anything and everyone is out to get what they can.  Even your precious guildies.  Especially your precious guildies.

 

MMOs have grown up, like stocks, like bonds, like interpersonal relationships.  It's over, those days are all over and done.   You can't trust anyone.  Especially the people who claim to be your online family, your guildmates, your brothers, your whatevers.  Welcome to the new day.  Welcome to the new dawn.  Trust is dead and trust is done and trust is gone.

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.

~Albert Einstein

  Vunak23

Novice Member

Joined: 11/27/10
Posts: 659

In your house Eatin' your Cookies!

12/07/12 6:33:22 PM#8

ArcheAge is gonna be good, Ive betaed it. Yea I'm an old school gamer like yourself. It has most of everything we from Lineage/UO/Shadowbane etc want in a MMO. It does have a quest based leveling system, but I would say thats about as far as its themepark elements go...Hmm well a few instances, but the world bosses drop the best stuff so. 

I guess it will depend on how much they change from last CBT to OBT and Release. And what ever the western publisher decides to "Westernize"

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  maccarthur2004

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/02/12
Posts: 508

12/07/12 6:41:51 PM#9
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by Yalexy
Maybe ArcheAge will deliver some two years down the road, but until then there's nothing on the horizon peaking my interest.

AA has potential to be nice good game, BUT it is not pure sandbox. FAR from it.   It has very big themepark parts.   So it is something similar to hmm Fallen Earth with few more sandbox features and bit bigger budget? Or Lineage II mixed with Vanilla WoW and some UO features.

AA will be 80-90% sandbox and 10-20% themepark. The themepark feature will be mainly the quests and a instanced "training camp" that will only give small to medium rewards. The "endgame" of AA will be 100% sandbox with FFA partial loot PVP, with some penaltys to who pk same faction players in southern continent and none in the northern.

"What we are aiming in ArcheAge is to let the players feel the true fun of MMORPG by forming a community like real life by interacting with other players, whether it be conflict or cooperation." (Jake Song)

  Kalafax

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/05/05
Posts: 504

12/07/12 6:42:27 PM#10

Sadly EvE is about the closest we can get anymore to the good old days, with its annoying real time skill system and rampant ingame betrayal.

I've longed for exactly what you mention many time over the years since OU/SWG, but it just isnt to be in this day and age anymore, maybe one day one of us old school games will hit the big lottery and be able to fund such a game returning, but untill then we are out of luck from the masses.

Mess with the best, Die like the rest

  Vunak23

Novice Member

Joined: 11/27/10
Posts: 659

In your house Eatin' your Cookies!

12/07/12 6:44:34 PM#11
Originally posted by maccarthur2004
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by Yalexy
Maybe ArcheAge will deliver some two years down the road, but until then there's nothing on the horizon peaking my interest.

AA has potential to be nice good game, BUT it is not pure sandbox. FAR from it.   It has very big themepark parts.   So it is something similar to hmm Fallen Earth with few more sandbox features and bit bigger budget? Or Lineage II mixed with Vanilla WoW and some UO features.

AA will be 80-90% sandbox and 10-20% themepark. The themepark feature will be mainly the quests and a instanced "training camp" that will only give small to medium rewards. The "endgame" of AA will be 100% sandbox with FFA partial loot PVP, with some penaltys to who pk same faction players in southern continent and none in the northern.

Yes... that and AA has gliders. One of my favorite features in the game. 

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  maccarthur2004

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/02/12
Posts: 508

12/07/12 6:49:50 PM#12

The budget to ArcheAge (production only) is around 25-30 milions. I think never a sandbox mmo had so much money into, and in the last 10 years it will be the first MMO that can be considered AAA and sandbox.

AA have only 2 flaws i know so far: the outdated tab-target system and the fact that will be released in no less than 2 years. :(

 

"What we are aiming in ArcheAge is to let the players feel the true fun of MMORPG by forming a community like real life by interacting with other players, whether it be conflict or cooperation." (Jake Song)

  SuprGamerX

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/05/09
Posts: 538

12/07/12 6:52:06 PM#13

 Sandbox MMO with no carebear?  Impossible.   No matter how you want to view this.  Carebears make up about 90% of a sandbox title , which in return generate cash flow for the title.   Make EVE-Online 100% null sec tomorrow morning , by next month the game shuts down.  Simple as that , hardcore PvP centric games fail so bad because there isn't a WHOLE lot of hardcore PvP centric people to begin with.  And people = cash flow , the more people you got , better the cash flow.

  So yea , keep dreaming or make your own. :)

  Cecropia

Gumshoe

Joined: 3/06/09
Posts: 3302

Poacher killer.

12/07/12 6:55:16 PM#14
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Haxzon

What do you think? Anyone else longing for this? Or are you happy with how the mmorpg worlds are now?

...I don't like my pve & pvp mixing.

It works like magic in EVE. Seperating the two is unecessary and primitive. When you have both the PVEers and the PVPers dependent on each other, not only do you dramatically increase the popularity of your game, but you end up with the foundation for a masterpiece like EVE Online. Win, win.

 

"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  Vunak23

Novice Member

Joined: 11/27/10
Posts: 659

In your house Eatin' your Cookies!

12/07/12 6:56:37 PM#15
Originally posted by maccarthur2004

The budget to ArcheAge (production only) is around 25-30 milions. I think never a sandbox mmo had so much money into, and in the last 10 years it will be the first MMO that can be considered AAA and sandbox.

AA have only 2 flaws i know so far: the outdated tab-target system and the fact that will be released in no less than 2 years. :(

 

Idk  i think we will be close to release by the end of 2013. 

I mean Jakes main concerns right now are Korea and China, and China is developing/translating right along with Korea. We are gonna see OBT early next year and probably release a few weeks later for Korea. A month later I see China doing the same. 

Maybe a year and a half if they dont start the localization right away. It really doesn't take all that long to translate, FFXI/FFXIV and SE do it quick as hell. 

Course this is me being optimistic heh..

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  anemo

Novice Member

Joined: 12/24/10
Posts: 700

12/07/12 7:05:54 PM#16

Because PvPer mechanics suck for the most part in a World of Everclone games.  The PvPer is aim to minimize their risk to  near 0 for the same reward, while a PvEer is forced on an infinite progression track(one the PvPer doesn't participate in).  

This means at release you get PvEers to locus swarm content get the "did this first" social medal.   Then you get your hyena's to go in and scavenge off those PvEers which chases them away.   Then PvPers looking for challenge(lions) scare off the hyena's after they've killed their own hunting ground.   Meaning a systematic exodus of most players, with a small niche community that can't support the original expense of "going large or not at all" that MMOs follow...

__________

Really if you want no holds barred PvPer that doesn't fall into the above you have Haven and Hearth.  Full on permadeath, no banks or other 100% safe storage mechanics, fully realized world where everything is player made/destroyed, and a game design where even the largest CAREBEAR realizes these harsh mechanics makes the entire game possible.

Of course in the above game you won't last very long.   The prey holds you accountable for your actions and can make you suffer just as much as you can make them suffer. 

__________

Pretty much what you're looking for a game set in a "world of everclone" setting where PvEers are forced to take more risk, can't respond due to safty abuse mechanics, and other mechanics that skews the world in your favor.   Will never exisist again, or at least for very long.

Practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent.

"There are still vast swaths of our planet's surface in which it's surprisingly easy to lose things. Even a ship the size of a large building." Richard Fisher

  maccarthur2004

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/02/12
Posts: 508

12/07/12 7:10:28 PM#17
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by maccarthur2004

The budget to ArcheAge (production only) is around 25-30 milions. I think never a sandbox mmo had so much money into, and in the last 10 years it will be the first MMO that can be considered AAA and sandbox.

AA have only 2 flaws i know so far: the outdated tab-target system and the fact that will be released in no less than 2 years. :(

 

Idk  i think we will be close to release by the end of 2013. 

I mean Jakes main concerns right now are Korea and China, and China is developing/translating right along with Korea. We are gonna see OBT early next year and probably release a few weeks later for Korea. A month later I see China doing the same. 

Maybe a year and a half if they dont start the localization right away. It really doesn't take all that long to translate, FFXI/FFXIV and SE do it quick as hell. 

Course this is me being optimistic heh..

Russia will have a earlier release too. My bet to the release to western countries is no early than April 2014.

 

 

"What we are aiming in ArcheAge is to let the players feel the true fun of MMORPG by forming a community like real life by interacting with other players, whether it be conflict or cooperation." (Jake Song)

  Vunak23

Novice Member

Joined: 11/27/10
Posts: 659

In your house Eatin' your Cookies!

12/07/12 7:12:02 PM#18
Originally posted by maccarthur2004
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by maccarthur2004

The budget to ArcheAge (production only) is around 25-30 milions. I think never a sandbox mmo had so much money into, and in the last 10 years it will be the first MMO that can be considered AAA and sandbox.

AA have only 2 flaws i know so far: the outdated tab-target system and the fact that will be released in no less than 2 years. :(

 

Idk  i think we will be close to release by the end of 2013. 

I mean Jakes main concerns right now are Korea and China, and China is developing/translating right along with Korea. We are gonna see OBT early next year and probably release a few weeks later for Korea. A month later I see China doing the same. 

Maybe a year and a half if they dont start the localization right away. It really doesn't take all that long to translate, FFXI/FFXIV and SE do it quick as hell. 

Course this is me being optimistic heh..

Russia will have a earlier release too. My bet to the release to western countries is no early than April 2014.

 

 

IDK I dont think Russia will be before EU and US, we have a bigger market between us then Russia. Now Japan will be before us I forgot about them. 

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  Apraxis

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/28/05
Posts: 1509

12/07/12 7:23:03 PM#19
Originally posted by Haxzon

I have searched and searched for a mmorpg that would peak my interest again. It seems i just keep hoping for something that just wont be there ever again.

 

The "No Holds-Barred, stomach in knots, kill first ask questions later" kind of game... I'm not saying FPS. I'm saying MMORPG. The kind of game where you and the other players ARE the world.  The world where you have to have scouts while leveling so you dont get ambushed by other players and loot stolen. And after a long day of solo PKing or reaching your next conquest... you wonder on home to the city, castle, town, but not just any town... The town that you and your guild placed and built from the ground up! The one that you defend, nurture, love. And as long as your walls stand... your only real safehaven.

 

Yes, folks, I'm talking about a real Sandbox PvP. No Carebears allowed.  Something like Shadowbane!

 

I have played many mmorpg dating all the way back to UO and EQ... and many styles since but it seems no game has ever really peaked my interest until the game that stripped the boring quests and carebeared Anime content for the casual PvE player... and just went for it. Gave the world to the players. Yes it had its flaws, the game engine sucked, certain characters got nerfed because of the carebears (ie : a thief class was really a thief and could take the money right out of your pocket and be gone before you know it...) If you died, your inventory (not your equipped items) was fair game! I'm just saying I miss this game and truly believe with the new technology a game of this nature would thrive and prosper.

 

Where's my Sandbox! I wanna play?

 

What do you think? Anyone else longing for this? Or are you happy with how the mmorpg worlds are now?

Well.. Darkfall Unholy Wars is a few weeks away.. there you get exactly that.

In Arche Age you will have something similar(no full loot, but you didnt have full loot in Shadowbane either), but that one will take some more time.. although it will most probably release January in Korea.. but NA/EU may take a year more.. noone knows at the moment. And Arche Age will offer a little bit more than Shadowbane.. think about UO, Shadowbane and LineAge 2 and you will get a very solid idea about Arche Age.

  Rimmersman

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 911

12/07/12 7:29:42 PM#20
Originally posted by Vunak23

ArcheAge is gonna be good, Ive betaed it. Yea I'm an old school gamer like yourself. It has most of everything we from Lineage/UO/Shadowbane etc want in a MMO. It does have a quest based leveling system, but I would say thats about as far as its themepark elements go...Hmm well a few instances, but the world bosses drop the best stuff so. 

I guess it will depend on how much they change from last CBT to OBT and Release. And what ever the western publisher decides to "Westernize"

 

Archeage is a hybrid not a sandbox MMO, it has themepark features which is okay. In fact Age Of Wushu is more sandbox, FFA PvP, no classes or levels, clan buildings all player made. It also has a bounty system and a prison system like Archeage, no safe areas and beheading for serious law breaker's. Every top weapons and armour and just about every item is player made, if you craft a blade you will need to find a carpenter to craft the hilt. And then you have the offline features where you actually stay on in the world as an npc manning you stall or doing chores for you faction. This has it's risks because you can be kidnaped by PKs and sold into slavery for another faction but they will have a bounty on them. If they build up to much crime points they can be sent to prison for up to 24 hours or have a public execution which also effects them for 24 hours. You can get your clan to pay for your release. There is also farming in the game like Archeage and all this in a beautiful open world that is based on feudal China, no elves or dwarfs or oversized weapons in Age Of Wushu. The second western BETA starts on the 20th of December through till the 9th of January. We will have updated content and quests and features. Make no mistake Age Of Wushu is a full PvP FFA sandbox MMO and before you log into the game it tells you that it's a pvp game and are you sure you want to proceed.

2 Pages 1 2 » Search